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HRRR looks lousy once you're east of Nassau. Essentially 0.25" or so in Suffolk through the end of the run-breezy to windy showery day. Max gusts over LI and NJ shore get to 40mph or so. Heavy rain is essentially NYC and west. Doesn't match up with radar terribly well right now but the heavy band over the ocean essentially consolidates over NJ and breaks up east from there. Hopefully that's wrong but the trend's been pretty obvious. :axe: 

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Just now, jm1220 said:

HRRR looks lousy once you're east of Nassau. Essentially 0.25" or so in Suffolk through the end of the run-breezy to windy showery day. Max gusts over LI and NJ shore get to 40mph or so. Heavy rain is essentially NYC and west. Doesn't match up with radar terribly well right now but the heavy band over the ocean essentially consolidates over NJ and breaks up east from there. Hopefully that's wrong. :axe: 

I'm thinking that the HRRR is out to lunch. Have you seen the radar? Daytime heating is only going to add more fuel to the fire.

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Just now, lee59 said:

I think Long Island will get on and off heavy tropical  showers and potential storms with windy conditions. New Jersey not much wind with a more steady heavy rain.

New Jersey shore should be windy. I am wondering if those areas that received the heavy rains recently could have some flooding problems.

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5 minutes ago, Ericjcrash said:

Its borderline tropical at best. Impressive storm but absolutely nothing going on around the center.

Not sure what you were expecting. It's a 45kt storm off of VA Beach in early July. Not exactly what I would call a conducive environment for a deep tropical system.

 

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Special Marine Warning
ANZ451-471-472-101400-
/O.NEW.KPHI.MA.W.0070.200710T1234Z-200710T1400Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
Special Marine Warning
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
834 AM EDT Fri Jul 10 2020

The National Weather Service in Mount Holly NJ has issued a

* Special Marine Warning for...

Coastal waters from Manasquan Inlet to Little Egg Inlet NJ out 20
nm...
Outer waters from Manasquan Inlet to Great Egg Inlet NJ out 20 to 40
nm...

* Until 1000 AM EDT.

* At 834 AM EDT, a severe thunderstorm capable of producing
  waterspouts was located 25 nm southeast of Garden State North Reef,
  moving northwest at 30 knots.

  HAZARD...Waterspouts and wind gusts to 40 knots.

  SOURCE...Radar.

  IMPACT...Waterspouts can easily overturn boats and create locally
           hazardous seas. Small craft could be damaged in briefly
           higher winds and suddenly higher waves.

* Locations impacted include...
  Beach Haven, Barnegat Light, North Beach Haven, Garden State North
  Reef, Ship Bottom, Barnegat Light Reef, Garden State South Reef,
  Harvey Cedars and Forked River.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Protecting yourself from immediate threats to life and safety shall
take priority.  Whenever possible, as long as it does not cause
greater harm, all COVID-19 protective action guidance should be
followed.

Thunderstorms can produce sudden waterspouts. Waterspouts can easily
overturn boats and create locally hazardous seas. Seek safe harbor
immediately.

&&

LAT...LON 3925 7359 3958 7437 3989 7410 3939 7346
TIME...MOT...LOC 1234Z 128DEG 30KT 3935 7362

WATERSPOUT...POSSIBLE
HAIL...0.00IN
WIND...40KTS
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Just now, Ericjcrash said:

I wasn't expecting anything. Just think it should be labeled subtropical.

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't sub-tropical when the center is in the mid-levels instead of at the surface?

I believe in this case we have a closed surface low or the NHC wouldn't have named it as a TS.

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10 minutes ago, NJwx85 said:

Correct me if I'm wrong, isn't sub-tropical when the center is in the mid-levels instead of at the surface?

I believe in this case we have a closed surface low or the NHC wouldn't have named it as a TS.

I think he means it's subtropical because the strong winds are away from the center.  And the windfield is expanding, so it matches up more to a noreaster kind of structure rather than purely tropical.  It's probably a hybrid.

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Just now, LibertyBell said:

I think he means it's subtropical because the strong winds are away from the center.  And the windfield is expanding, so it matches up more to a noreaster kind of structure rather than purely tropical.  It's probably a hybrid.

It probably is a hybrid which is part of the reason why it looks as good as it does on radar. I'm just not sure that sub-tropical is the correct term and it has me thinking as to whether or not storms like this are properly identified. Maybe this is just a small scale extra-tropical storm?

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