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Summer 2020 Banter and random observations


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1 minute ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

That’s what I think anyway.

 

I hate how that information is basically a side bar.... if it’s a mistake or data dump, that should very clearly be stated.

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From the Mass.gov dashboard

PLEASE NOTE: A technical reporting error by a hospital group caused a delay in its laboratory test results being reported to DPH. These newly reported test results have been included in today’s dashboard report and are reflected in today’s case totals. However, these positive test results have been assigned retrospectively to the appropriate date of test.

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4 hours ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

I never swim in the ocean. Not a fan. I go in to about knee deep, at best. I like pools. 

I used to all the time, but then my kid was caught in a rip current and I had to haul him out. Ever since then I am nervous about it, for myself and others. I know how to escape a rip current but that doesn’t remove all concern. 

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39 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

Mass numbers not good today. 356 new cases. 2.2%.  Wear a freakin mask folks

Masks stop 20% of transmission. They help but they are not some panacea that sometimes it seems they are made to be . In mass I see most everyone  wearing masks. I wear one . Different masks also have  a bit more efficiency stopping transmission than others. Much more so then in NH where I live . Population density is the issue as well . 

You can easily catch the virus from hands to eye as well . Count down to the vaccine .

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8 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

I used to all the time, but then my kid was caught in a rip current and I had to haul him out. Ever since then I am nervous about it, for myself and others. I know how to escape a rip current but that doesn’t remove all concern. 

I was just down at Hilton Head SC educating my kids about rip currents. 

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8 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said:

Masks stop 20% of transmission. They help but they are not some panacea that sometimes it seems they are made to be . In mass I see most everyone  wearing masks. I wear one . Different masks also have  a bit more efficiency stopping transmission than others. Much more so then in NH where I live . Population density is the issue as well . 

You can easily catch the virus from hands to eye as well . Count down to the vaccine .

Yup.  Not a great solution but it helps.    Neat article. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/07/23/894425483/can-masks-save-us-from-more-lockdowns-heres-what-the-science-says

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22 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said:

I’m guessing that will take a few months?

What a great day weather wise though.  Warm but lower humidity. Pool was great. 

I would think perhaps 3-4months? I think the vaccine is 2 shots (a month apart) and then I’m sure they monitor for another couple months to determine whether it was effective and if there are any side effects? (This is all just a guess though) 

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18 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

I used to all the time, but then my kid was caught in a rip current and I had to haul him out. Ever since then I am nervous about it, for myself and others. I know how to escape a rip current but that doesn’t remove all concern. 

I rarely go out much beyond waist level anymore.  Part of it comes from watching over my kids.  They are a bit older now so that’s less of it.  

it also depends on the beach and conditions     I like to use a boogie board and play in the waves a bit  but if the beach is rocky that day...

Now I’m farther from my drink

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currents can effect the most swimmers , especially if they aren’t aware of the local beaches nuisances . Was caught in one in-between sandbars in Florida (over my head ) and the current was calm in the middle (deeper spot ) between the large sand bars . When I tried to swim further out toward one sandbar the current pushed me back , swam toward the one closer to shore line ..was pushed back deeper . Fun times 

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5 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

Yeah...I'd much rather submerge in a volume of water displaced only by my self and another human being's ass juices....  

F' that ..I'll take my chances in the ocean and just not swim with the Darwinian brilliant insight of seal populations where messy eating is a veritable water chumming experiment -

There is a chemical that was invented called chlorine, It even sanitizes..............:)

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1 hour ago, PhineasC said:

I used to all the time, but then my kid was caught in a rip current and I had to haul him out. Ever since then I am nervous about it, for myself and others. I know how to escape a rip current but that doesn’t remove all concern. 

I consider myself a strong swimmer, grew up in the water, spent my high school/college summers as a Lifeguard, and I've never been so terrified as I was in a rip current in Florida.  Mostly due to my incompetence, I'm a mountain guy, not marine.  The surf was pretty rough to begin with, but as soon as the water got over head height I was sucked outward like I've never felt before.  Even swimming sideways, by the time I was out of it I was alarmingly far out and had some rough surf to get back in.  I remember thinking, oh this is easily how people drown.  You are exhausted afterwards and with high surf, even getting back in required getting slammed by a few waves that felt like being in a washing machine, upside down, spinning, etc.

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5 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Pools, rivers, and lakes over ocean all day every day.  Only time ocean is nice is when your in the tropics.  It sucks around here with all the plant life and murkiness.  Give me crystal clear water where I can see 100’ in all directions.

Maldives 

 

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1 hour ago, powderfreak said:

I consider myself a strong swimmer, grew up in the water, spent my high school/college summers as a Lifeguard, and I've never been so terrified as I was in a rip current in Florida.  Mostly due to my incompetence, I'm a mountain guy, not marine.  The surf was pretty rough to begin with, but as soon as the water got over head height I was sucked outward like I've never felt before.  Even swimming sideways, by the time I was out of it I was alarmingly far out and had some rough surf to get back in.  I remember thinking, oh this is easily how people drown.  You are exhausted afterwards and with high surf, even getting back in required getting slammed by a few waves that felt like being in a washing machine, upside down, spinning, etc.

Happens, key is to not panic, overswim. Yes being a beach lifeguard is a whole league different than a pool, lake guard. We averaged about 10 saves a day when the rips were ripping. I had one guy try to drown me as he was in total panic, punched him in the mouth, dove under and grabbed him twisted him around and came up with my arm under his chin to get him in. He was drunk to boot. Quickly escorted out by the staties . 75% of days were lake conditions though. If you are at a beach and its rough stay at knee level and watch them kids like a hawk.

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1 hour ago, dryslot said:

Certain days, Conditions are just right for rips, I only go a few times a year to the ocean as its cold to swim in anyways, We have a bazillion lakes up here and i grew up on one so i'm more partial to inland watersheds.

Sometimes you can see them. Between two shallower areas and/or a lot of foam trailing out in one spot but nowhere else around are sure signs. You can also look at other people. If there is a big gap in the crowd for seemingly no reason that's another bad sign.

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46 minutes ago, Baroclinic Zone said:

Pools, rivers, and lakes over ocean all day every day.  Only time ocean is nice is when your in the tropics.  It sucks around here with all the plant life and murkiness.  Give me crystal clear water where I can see 100’ in all directions.

You must visit a different ocean than me. Obviously post and pre storm it can get murky but last week I was watching stripers 20 feet below me swimming by. I would love to see a river / lake with 100 feet visibility. 

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Just now, PhineasC said:

Sometimes you can see them. Between two shallower areas and/or a lot of foam trailing out in one spot but nowhere else around are sure signs. You can also look at other people. If there is a big gap in the crowd for seemingly no reason that's another bad sign.

There are beaches that are known for them up here i'm sure like everywhere else, Its just a matter of when.

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2 minutes ago, PhineasC said:

Sometimes you can see them. Between two shallower areas and/or a lot of foam trailing out in one spot but nowhere else around are sure signs. You can also look at other people. If there is a big gap in the crowd for seemingly no reason that's another bad sign.

The obvious sign is discoloration of the water. Rips stir up the bottom 

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16 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said:

Happens, key is to not panic, overswim. Yes being a beach lifeguard is a whole league different than a pool, lake guard. We averaged about 10 saves a day when the rips were ripping. I had one guy try to drown me as he was in total panic, punched him in the mouth, dove under and grabbed him twisted him around and came up with my arm under his chin to get him in. He was drunk to boot. Quickly escorted out by the staties . 75% of days were lake conditions though. If you are at a beach and its rough stay at knee level and watch them kids like a hawk.

For sure, the beach is a whole other animal to the very controlled environment of a pool or inland water.  The lack of waves and currents, that stuff is strong and requires a strong response.  At a pool or lake, you're basically making sure a small child doesn't get in over their head or fall in.  It's a job that goes along with washing dishes at an Italian restaurant at night during a summer of yore.

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6 minutes ago, powderfreak said:

For sure, the beach is a whole other animal to the very controlled environment of a pool or inland water.  The lack of waves and currents, that stuff is strong and requires a strong response.  At a pool or lake, you're basically making sure a small child doesn't get in over their head or fall in. 

I hated trying to watch all the kids when it was crowded.  Missing kids took up a lot of our time. Parents don't pay attention.  A kid goes in the water, current brings him 20 feet down shore, they go looking for Mom and its a sea of blankets and then they start walking.  I actually had 1 Mom tell me it was my fault as I should have been watching.  I just shook my head.  I worked at a grocery store at night but ate at an Italian restaurant every night,  Moms. ( she wasn't Italian but taught by them while Dad was at war)

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