brianc33710 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Where is the warm front now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 The hodo has really started to enlarge at Del Rio. Despite this, the lone cell has started to struggle some likely due to increasing CIN, and I imagine this will likely kill it off eventually. However, as the lead shrotwave ejects out just ahead of the main trough, ascent increases and convective inhibition decreases, which will give way to the main overnight round as we approach 06Z. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 8 minutes ago, brianc33710 said: Where is the warm front now? I might put it somewhere around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Claridge Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 15 minutes ago, 1900hurricane said: The hodo has really started to enlarge at Del Rio. Despite this, the lone cell has started to struggle some likely due to increasing CIN, and I imagine this will likely kill it off eventually. However, as the lead shrotwave ejects out just ahead of the main trough, ascent increases and convective inhibition decreases, which will give way to the main overnight round as we approach 06Z. That cell definitely seems to be falling apart. It is no longer severe-warned. Question is if less convection tonight means there will be less junk convection across the southeast during the day tomorrow. Though I guess that could depend on the forward motion of the “main round” to develop in the next few hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1900hurricane Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 The lead wave looks like it's pushing through Big Bend right now. Main trough is centered back just S of SE Arizona. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianc33710 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 The Day 1 SPC outlook is out. They spread MOD further east, but doesn't upgrade any of the area to High. They didn't even mention potentially pulling the High Risk trigger later today. Everything looks like it's there, but they didn't include any upgrade wording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Radar indicated Tor warning near Fredricksbeeg TX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Claridge Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 4 minutes ago, cheese007 said: Radar indicated Tor warning near Fredricksbeeg TX Correlation coefficient suggests tornado on ground E of Eckert, TX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 New warning out just north of Waco. Things getting going early... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Claridge Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Right turn in the storm approaching Round Mountain could be a problem for the northernmost suburbs of the Austin area (especially Leander and Georgetown) if it continues on this track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Claridge Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Uptick in precipitation cores over Parker, Tarrant, and Hood counties could be a problem for DFW if they intensify. All the precipitation in the area should be stabilizing things, but SPC Mesoanalysis still indicates plenty of CAPE in the region. Not thinking too much of it though. There may even be twin tornadoes south of Marble Falls. Two tight couplets are showing up on radar velocity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sydney Claridge Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 New tornado warning includes Leander and Cedar Park. This is very concerning now that highly-populated areas are in the path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 New tor warning heading towards Fairfield, TX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Witness Protection Program Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Tor warning for Whitehouse & Kilgore, southeast of Tippecanoe & Tyler, too. https://forecast.weather.gov/wwamap/wwatxtget.php?cwa=fwd&wwa=tornado warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 pretty amazing models had this convective system and mini low days ago at 12z Sunday and then moving across the south MESOSCALE DISCUSSION 0348 NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0718 AM CDT SUN APR 12 2020 AREAS AFFECTED...PARTS OF NORTHEAST TEXAS INTO NORTHERN LOUISIANA AND ADJACENT PORTIONS OF SOUTHERN ARKANSAS CONCERNING...TORNADO WATCH 105... VALID 121218Z - 121345Z THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT FOR TORNADO WATCH 105 CONTINUES. SUMMARY...POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE WIND GUSTS AND A FEW TORNADOES PROBABLY WILL INCREASE WITH AN INCREASINGLY ORGANIZED MESOSCALE CONVECTIVE SYSTEM SPREADING INTO AND ACROSS THE SHREVEPORT LA AREA BY 9-10 AM CDT. DISCUSSION...THE EVOLUTION OF AN INCREASINGLY ORGANIZED MESOSCALE CONVECTIVE SYSTEM CONTINUES. THIS STILL APPEARS TO COINCIDE WITH A CORRIDOR OF ENHANCED LOWER/MID TROPOSPHERIC WARM ADVECTION, TO THE NORTH OF WARMER AND MORE STRONGLY CAPPING ELEVATED MIXED-LAYER AIR, AND JUST AHEAD OF A 50-70 KT WESTERLY 500 MB SPEED MAXIMUM PROPAGATING TOWARD THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY. ALTHOUGH THE BOUNDARY LAYER CURRENTLY REMAINS COOLER AND DRIER DOWNSTREAM, ACROSS MUCH OF LOUISIANA INTO THE ARK-LA-TEX, INCREASES IN SURFACE DEW POINTS ALREADY APPEAR UNDERWAY, AND MORE SUBSTANTIVE BOUNDARY-LAYER WARMING AND DESTABILIZATION PROBABLY WILL COMMENCE WITH DAYBREAK. AT LEAST A COUPLE OF SEVERE GUSTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN RECORDED BY ASOS AT WACO AND CORSICANA WITH THE PRIMARY ONGOING BOWING SEGMENT IN RADAR REFLECTIVITIES, WHICH IS ON TRACK TO REACH THE SHREVEPORT LA BY 14-15Z. WITH THE LATEST RAPID REFRESH SUGGESTING SOUTHERLY 850 MB FLOW IN THE PROCESS OF STRENGTHENING TO 40-50 KT ACROSS THE UPPER TEXAS COASTAL PLAIN INTO THE LOWER MISSISSIPPI VALLEY, THE POTENTIAL FOR SEVERE WIND GUSTS SHOULD CONTINUE TO INCREASE GIVEN BOUNDARY-LAYER DESTABILIZATION. COUPLED WITH A STRENGTHENING CONVECTIVE COLD POOL, THE POTENTIAL FOR A FEW TORNADOES WITH INTENSIFYING MESOVORTICES ALONG THE GUST FRONT MAY ALSO INCREASE THROUGH MID TO LATE MORNING. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 HRRR tries to develop discrete cells off and on just ahead of that line complex is pretty far south and outflows are pushing more ENE then NE as modeled also cloud debris ahead of it may mess up heating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 DAY 1 CONVECTIVE OUTLOOK NWS STORM PREDICTION CENTER NORMAN OK 0752 AM CDT SUN APR 12 2020 VALID 121300Z - 131200Z ...THERE IS A MODERATE RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS TODAY INTO TONIGHT FROM THE ARK-LA-MISS EASTWARD INTO AL AND WESTERN GA... ..SUMMARY AN OUTBREAK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS IS LIKELY TODAY INTO TONIGHT, WITH THE GREATEST THREAT EXPECTED FROM MISSISSIPPI ACROSS ALABAMA INTO WESTERN GEORGIA. STRONG TORNADOES, WIDESPREAD DAMAGING WINDS, AND LARGE HAIL ARE ALL POSSIBLE. ..SYNOPSIS A COMPLEX FORECAST TODAY WITH MULTIPLE SCENARIOS POSSIBLE ACROSS A BROAD AREA FROM THE LOWER MS VALLEY INTO THE TN/OH VALLEYS AND THE SOUTHEAST. A MIDLEVEL TROUGH NEAR THE TX BIG BEND THIS MORNING WILL ACCELERATE EAST-NORTHEASTWARD TO THE ARK-LA-MISS BY THIS EVENING AND THE APPALACHIANS BY THE END OF THE PERIOD, IN RESPONSE TO CONTINUED AMPLIFICATION OF A LARGE-SCALE TROUGH OVER THE NORTH CENTRAL CONUS. AT THE SURFACE, A CYCLONE WILL MOVE ACROSS OK TODAY AND DEVELOP EASTWARD TO AR BY THIS EVENING, FOLLOWED BY SUBSTANTIAL DEEPENING AS THE CYCLONE MOVES NORTHEASTWARD TO THE OH VALLEY/GREAT LAKES OVERNIGHT. A MOIST/UNSTABLE WARM SECTOR WILL SURGE NORTHWARD ACROSS LA/MS/AL/GA TODAY, SETTING THE STAGE FOR SEVERE STORMS WITH THE EJECTING SHORTWAVE TROUGH AND DEEPENING CYCLONE THROUGH TONIGHT. SEVERAL SCENARIOS ARE POSSIBLE WITHIN THE OVERALL OUTLOOK AREA, WITH SUBSTANTIAL UNCERTAINTY RELATED TO EARLY/ONGOING CONVECTION NOW IN TX. ..NORTHEAST TX TO NORTHERN MS/AL AND TN THIS AFTERNOON AN ONGOING CLUSTER OF SEVERE STORMS CONTINUES TO MOVE EAST-NORTHEASTWARD INTO EAST CENTRAL AND NORTHEAST TX THIS MORNING, IN ASSOCIATION WITH A LEAD SHORTWAVE TROUGH. ALL HAZARDS WILL BE POSSIBLE WITH THIS CLUSTER WHICH WILL INCLUDE A MIXED CONVECTIVE MODE OF SUPERCELLS AND BOWING SEGMENTS. LOW-LEVEL MOISTURE WILL SURGE NORTHWARD TODAY ACROSS LA/MS/AL IN RESPONSE TO THE DEEPENING CYCLONE MOVING FROM OK TO AR. THE MAIN QUESTION THROUGH MID AFTERNOON WILL BE WHETHER OR NOT SURFACE DESTABILIZATION WILL KEEP PACE WITH THE INITIAL CLUSTER. IF WARMING/MOISTENING CAN OCCUR QUICKLY ENOUGH, THE CHANCE FOR SURFACE-BASED STORMS ON THE SOUTHERN FLANK WILL INCREASE. THIS MAY OCCUR COINCIDENT WITH AN ENVIRONMENT CHARACTERIZED BY MODERATE BUOYANCY (MLCAPE OF 1500-2500 J/KG), VERY STRONG LOW-LEVEL SHEAR (0-1 KM SRH OF 400-500 M2/S2) AS THE LOW-LEVEL JET STRENGTHENS OVER LA/MS, AND EFFECTIVE BULK SHEAR IN EXCESS OF 70 KT. THIS ENVIRONMENT WILL FAVOR EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING STRONG TORNADOES AND DAMAGING WINDS. AGAIN, THE MAIN QUESTIONS IN THIS CORRIDOR THROUGH THIS AFTERNOON WILL BE THE DEGREE OF ORGANIZATION OF THE LATE MORNING-EARLY AFTERNOON CONVECTION, AND ITS PHASING WITH THE SURFACE WARM FRONT. ..MS/AL/GA/CAROLINAS LATE THIS AFTERNOON THROUGH TONIGHT TO THE SOUTH OF THE INITIAL STORM CLUSTER CROSSING NORTHERN MS/AL/TN, A SEPARATE PRE-FRONTAL BAND OF CONVECTION IS EXPECTED TO DEVELOP BY LATE AFTERNOON FROM SOUTHERN MS INTO WESTERN/CENTRAL AL. THIS CONVECTION WILL BE WELL EAST THE SYNOPTIC COLD FRONT, IN AN ENVIRONMENT WITH SURFACE-BASED BUOYANCY AND VERY STRONG VERTICAL SHEAR. A BROKEN BAND WITH EMBEDDED SUPERCELLS APPEARS LIKELY TO PERSIST WELL INTO THE OVERNIGHT HOURS, WITH AN ASSOCIATED THREAT FOR STRONG TORNADOES AND DAMAGING WINDS. THE PRE-FRONTAL CONVECTION SHOULD REACH THE WESTERN CAROLINAS BY 09-12Z. ..RED RIVER VALLEY THIS AFTERNOON TO THE OH VALLEY OVERNIGHT AN ARC OF CONVECTION WILL LIKELY FORM THIS AFTERNOON NEAR THE SURFACE LOW IN SOUTHEAST OK, AND WITHIN THE LEFT-EXIT REGION OF THE MID-UPPER JET. THIS CONVECTION WILL SUBSEQUENTLY SPREAD EASTWARD AND NORTHEASTWARD INTO AR THROUGH LATE AFTERNOON/EVENING. THE NORTHWARD EXTENT OF DESTABILIZATION IN AR/WESTERN TN THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING WILL DEPEND LARGELY ON THE INTENSITY AND EXTENT OF THE EARLY AFTERNOON CONVECTION MOVING FROM LA INTO NORTHERN MS. STILL, STEEP MIDLEVEL LAPSE RATES WITH THE EJECTING MIDLEVEL WAVE AND STRONG DEEP-LAYER VERTICAL SHEAR WILL FAVOR FAST-MOVING SUPERCELLS AND LINE SEGMENTS CAPABLE OF PRODUCING LARGE HAIL AND DAMAGING WINDS. SIMILAR TO AR THIS AFTERNOON, THE NORTHEAST EXTENT OF THE DAMAGING WIND AND TORNADO THREAT INTO TONIGHT WILL DEPEND LARGELY ON HOW WIDESPREAD/ORGANIZED THE CONVECTION IS ACROSS NORTHERN MS/AL THIS AFTERNOON/EVENING, AND THE DEGREE OF LOW-LEVEL RECOVERY IN THE WAKE OF THAT CONVECTION. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janetjanet998 Posted April 12, 2020 Author Share Posted April 12, 2020 decent discussion in SE forum so lets just move there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 SEVERE WEATHER STATEMENT NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE SHREVEPORT LA 937 AM CDT SUN APR 12 2020 LAC031-121500- /O.CON.KSHV.TO.W.0019.000000T0000Z-200412T1500Z/ DE SOTO LA- 937 AM CDT SUN APR 12 2020 ...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1000 AM CDT FOR CENTRAL DE SOTO PARISH... AT 937 AM CDT, A CONFIRMED TORNADO WAS LOCATED 9 MILES NORTHEAST OF LOGANSPORT, OR 12 MILES WEST OF MANSFIELD, MOVING NORTHEAST AT 50 MPH. HAZARD...DAMAGING TORNADO AND QUARTER SIZE HAIL. SOURCE...RADAR CONFIRMED TORNADO. IMPACT...FLYING DEBRIS WILL BE DANGEROUS TO THOSE CAUGHT WITHOUT SHELTER. MOBILE HOMES WILL BE DAMAGED OR DESTROYED. DAMAGE TO ROOFS, WINDOWS, AND VEHICLES WILL OCCUR. TREE DAMAGE IS LIKELY. LOCATIONS IMPACTED INCLUDE... MANSFIELD, KEACHI, GRAND CANE, LONGSTREET, GLOSTER, CARMEL, FRIERSON, KICKAPOO, KINGSTON AND REEDS STORE. PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianc33710 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 I found this regarding the SPC's delay with not going high risk, so far: SPC: THERE IS STILL ENOUGH UNCERTAINTY WITH REGARD TO CONVECTION OUTPACING STRONGER SURFACE-BASED INSTABILITY (ESPECIALLY WITH NORTHEAST EXTENT), AS WELL AS THE OVERALL CONVECTIVE MODE, TO PRECLUDE AN UPGRADE TO HIGH RISK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 60% chance of a severe T-storm watch including most of eastern OK and the DFW metroplex: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/md/md0354.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianc33710 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 145 PM CDT SUN APR 12 2020 AREAS AFFECTED...NORTHERN AND CENTRAL ALABAMA AND FAR SOUTHERN MIDDLE TENNESSEE. CONCERNING...SEVERE POTENTIAL...TORNADO WATCH LIKELY VALID 121845Z - 122015Z PROBABILITY OF WATCH ISSUANCE...95 PERCENT SUMMARY...THE SEVERE WEATHER THREAT CURRENTLY OVER MISSISSIPPI WILL SHIFT EAST INTO ALABAMA LATER THIS AFTERNOON. A DOWNSTREAM TORNADO WATCH WILL BE NEEDED SOON. DISCUSSION...A MCS MOVED ACROSS NORTHERN LOUISIANA THIS MORNING AND PRODUCED NUMEROUS TDS SIGNATURES. THIS SAME CLUSTER OF STORMS HAS PRODUCED A TDS MORE RECENTLY (~1830Z) IN WEST-CENTRAL MISSISSIPPI. THIS SAME LINE OF STORMS IS EXPECTED TO MOVE EAST NORTHEASTWARD INTO NORTHERN ALABAMA LATER THIS AFTERNOON AND INTO THE EVENING. THE AIRMASS ACROSS NORTHERN ALABAMA HAS DESTABILIZED ACROSS THE LAST SEVERAL HOURS AND CONTINUED MOISTENING/WARMING IS EXPECTED AS THE WARM FRONT LIFTS NORTH. THEREFORE, THIS ONGOING MCS IS EXPECTED TO MAINTAIN ITS CURRENT INTENSITY AND LIKELY STRENGTHEN FURTHER AS IT MOVES INTO ALABAMA. A 997MB MESO-LOW HAS FORMED IN SOUTHEAST AR/WESTERN MS. THIS HAS ACTED TO LOCALLY ENHANCE THE BACKING OF SURFACE WINDS AHEAD OF THESE STORMS. THIS HAS LED TO VERY LARGE 0-1 SRH VALUES NEAR 700 M2/S2 PER GWX VWP. DAMAGING WINDS AND QLCS TORNADOES WILL CONTINUE TO BE A THREAT WITH THIS MCS AS STORMS MOVE EASTWARD. HOWEVER, THERE IS A CONDITIONAL THREAT FOR SURFACE BASED SUPERCELLS TO DEVELOP SOUTH OF THIS ACTIVITY IN THE WARM SECTOR. IF THIS OCCURS, A SIGNIFICANT, THREAT WOULD BECOME MORE LIKELY. A TORNADO WATCH WILL BE NEEDED SOON EAST OF THE CURRENT WATCH IN MISSISSIPPI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Severe T-storm watch issued for parts of north TX near the red river and southeast Oklahoma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese007 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Storm making it way through DFW blew up quick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggiegeog Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 12 hours ago, cheese007 said: Storm making it way through DFW blew up quick That storm did some damage on my family's farm north of Lindale. I'm heading there this morning to help with cleanup. This was the worst storm there since they move there in the early 1980s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteoutWX Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 On 4/10/2020 at 11:42 AM, WhiteoutWX said: I think this setup has some potential, but the strong forcing will likely mean a lot of storms. Hodographs are decent in spots but the VBV signature is there in many of them and critical angles are not very ideal. I think you will see a lot of storms struggling to maintain discrete modes. I would bet on a ton of wind and hail reports with mostly weak/brief tornadoes. If we can get some discrete supercells with some deviant easterly motion there could be a strong tornado or two but I am just not seeing large widespread tornado outbreak out of this setup. Well looking back I'd say it's hard for me to claim a "correct" forecast out of this, but some of the event did play out as I expected. My biggest mistake was underestimating the strength of some of the QLCS tornadoes, as it appears we had multiple EF3 spinups from the event. However, it did appear that the strong forcing and shear profiles likely both contributed to very messy storm modes for the vast majority of storms, which may have prevented an even more widespread/higher end event. Another potential limiting factor may have been weak low-level lapse rates, especially across northern half to 2/3rds of the risk area. Still, the intense low-level shear was enough in this case to produce dozens of tornado reports. The two supercells that were able to stay discrete and attain some deviant easterly motion produced the most intense tornadic signatures, with the Bassfield, MS prelim rating coming in at EF4 and the trailing storm EF3. I thought it was also interesting to note that if you look at the SPC reports you can see three clear "swaths" of tornado reports, one with the supercells in southern MS and another tracking through northern LA/MS/AL/GA and into SC associated with a mixed mode QLCS. A third cluster appears along the SC/NC coasts from yesterday morning, also mostly from QLCS. The vast majority of reports for the event came from these three main swaths. Fascinating event for sure and a learning experience for myself. My heart goes out to all the communities impacted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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