SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, losetoa6 said: Many might be still gathering the necessary safety equipment . Also places that lost staff maybe can't just staff back up at the drop of a hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, supernovasky said: Its interesting most places didn’t even open though. Likely because either they will never reopen or they see no value in opening to a low turnout and losing even more money than if they stayed closed. Most restaurants make money only if they are near capacity during prime dining hours. Margins are razor thin in the restaurant business.. I doubt you will see many open until they are allowing at least 75% capacity, and by that point they will likely be entirely out of business. Pretty sad.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Baltimorewx Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said: Yep, I been waiting “in line” for 5 hours now. Started at 100,000 and in line and down to 50,000 but “my little walking man” went red, seems the site may have crashed again. 2020 and we gotta wait in line to access a website Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, losetoa6 said: I've heard from several friends and family of this crap from multiple states . Yup something like 70% of filers haven’t received it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Just now, losetoa6 said: I think many restaurants have and will become very innovative. With many that can do carryout or curbside doing it already....once they get the dine in go ahead they might start with just keeping only one or 2 waiter / waitress on duty until things get busier. I agree with Yeoman that many types of restaurants aren't setup to have limited capacity and will have a extremely tough time .There's no doubt many will never reopen and each day longer we are locked down the list will grow . Unfortunately this is going to be a distaster for servers and restaurant workers. I have to imagine they’ll use less staff doing this. Same for businesses that rely on alcohol sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEATHER53 Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 These are the ineffective types that advocate hiding in our homes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, WEATHER53 said: These are the ineffective types that advocate hiding in our homes Like hide and go seek? My kid would love that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted April 27, 2020 Author Share Posted April 27, 2020 Shame about that website, Hogan was not happy Friday during his presser about it’s struggle to even go online effectively. Can only imagine how furious he is today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, Baltimorewx said: Yep, I been waiting “in line” for 5 hours now. Started at 100,000 and in line and down to 50,000 but “my little walking man” went red, seems the site may have crashed again. 2020 and we gotta wait in line to access a website That REALLY sucks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40westwx Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 6 hours ago, psuhoffman said: You do realize if it will take about 80%+ infections to reach herd immunity and the mortality is between .5-1% that’s 2+ million deaths in the United States using that route? The one piece of hard non data evidence against “let nature take its course” is what happened in most places that tried that. Look at what happened in places that got hit before mitigation measures were implemented. They ended up in lockdown anyways not because they wanted to prevent anything but because it got so bad fast they had no choice. I agree (kinda) but I think we might see this even if we continue the way we are heading. In otherwords, the area under the sharp curve is equal to the area under the flattened curve. Nature is gonna take its course one way or another.. and this virus will continue to spread until we reach optimal immunity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Control_of_Nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimorewx Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, losetoa6 said: I saw a couple articles a couple weeks ago talking about how outdated and archaic some states are with unemployment policies and protocol. Then you throw in a global pandemic with resulting massive spikes and sheer huge volume increases it spells huge problems. Yes, but the thing is when you’re gonna shut down restaurants, bars, non essential business blah blah, you have to know that a record number of people will file unemployment. There could have been steps taken to at least try to help the process. Move resources/personnel over to the department of labor. To at least answer phone calls anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I hope they consider a second stimulus check. The same issues are going to be here May 1 as they were April 1. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 You know, I’ve been thinking... are companies going to be better off just staying closed until demand comes back? I can’t imagine turning the lights on is worth it for them financially. In which case that might be awhile.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighStakes Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, supernovasky said: I hope they consider a second stimulus check. The same issues are going to be here May 1 as they were April 1. There are several new bills currently being proposed in Congress for phase 4 that would put more money directly in our hands. Since they have little chance getting through as currently devised there's no point in going into detail however any form of them would require anywhere between 2 and 6 trillion maybe even more if you can believe it. I guess a modified version could make it through. The problem this time will be the partisanship. The other phases got through will a little teeth pulling but for the most part there was bipartisanship Phase 4 will not go anything like that and will be an all out war between the 2 parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40westwx Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 7 minutes ago, wxtrix said: this is NOT TRUE. I really recommend reading the book I linked above. It is called the Control of Nature by John McPhee. It tells a handful of stories about man's failed attempts at controlling nature. Take the levy system of the Mississippi River (as this was discussed at length in the piece). The Mississippi river naturally shifts its banks of time. To combat this, people attempted to build levy systems to control the natural process. Over time, the levy systems actually caused an increase in potential energy... and when they broke.. like in 1993.. those downstream of the levies experienced more severe flooding than they probably would have experienced if left alone. It is the same with Forrest Fires.. Containing todays forrest fire.. means the next fire is going to be worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40westwx Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, wxtrix said: this is NOT TRUE. And I think that there is some truth here. The corona virus is absolutely abominating nursing homes. The longer the virus sticks around the better the chance that it skip traces through every single nursing home in a given population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 12 minutes ago, 40westwx said: I really recommend reading the book I linked above. It is called the Control of Nature by John McPhee. It tells a handful of stories about man's failed attempts at controlling nature. Take the levy system of the Mississippi River (as this was discussed at length in the piece). The Mississippi river naturally shifts its banks of time. To combat this, people attempted to build levy systems to control the natural process. Over time, the levy systems actually caused an increase in potential energy... and when they broke.. like in 1993.. those downstream of the levies experienced more severe flooding than they probably would have experienced if left alone. It is the same with Forrest Fires.. Containing todays forrest fire.. means the next fire is going to be worse. These are not good analogies imo. Why would controlling this pandemic make the next one worse? There will be new vulnerable populations by the time the next one comes. It’s not like a forest fire that wipes out all the fuel and can’t come back right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Are General Contractors considered essential in Maryland? It seems like its yes per a few sites I’ve read but you all seem much more clued into this than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimorewx Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 14 minutes ago, nj2va said: Are General Contractors considered essential in Maryland? It seems like its yes per a few sites I’ve read but you all seem much more clued into this than me. Yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDM Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 29 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said: These are not good analogies imo. Why would controlling this pandemic make the next one worse? There will be new vulnerable populations by the time the next one comes. It’s not like a forest fire that wipes out all the fuel and can’t come back right away. Concur. A pandemic is also not like the Mississippi and its levies, not even remotely so. The science behind the mitigation strategies are going to save an untold number of lives, if we have the patience as a society to sustain the same. Had we done nothing and just "let nature take its course" the results would have been cataclysmic. Remain concerned that many areas are prematurely pulling the plug, but I'm also empathetic to those who are in a dire state financially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ldub23 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 You know isnt really serious for the vast majority of people when AT LEAST half the deaths are in nursing homes from elderly who got it in nursing homes and 99% of the deaths are either elderly or people with another reason they were already dying, such as cancer. There is zero evidence children are at any risk, regardless of the very few cases the media obsesses on and schools should never have been cancelled. I saw a study from italy where 65% got the virus in a hospital or nursing home, 25% intrafamial (people being cooped up together inside a house) and only 4.2% from work, yet the places least likely to spread the virus are the most likely to be shut down. Further, while for some reason restaurant and bar employees are seen as evil there seems to be zero evidence anyone can point to of anyone dying from eating in a restaurant or having a drink in a bar. However, i can easily point out the place you dont want to be is in a nursing home or hospital. And i dont mean people being taken there after getting the virus somewhere else. They get it there. Then there is the issue of thousands of false death codings. NYC admitted they added 3700 deaths in one day without a positive test for corona. The illinois office admitted they code a death as corona if there is a positive test regardless if the person died of cancer. One final point. You know this isnt really serious when we all know alcohol kills thousands a year, abd creates long term health consequences to millions. I think its safe to say alcohol will be responsible for more kids dying under the age of 15 from auto accidents than corona will. And with the false codings of deaths alcohol will kill more of everyone than corona. Yet, it seems many stalinist govs seem to glorify in all those deaths since they seem to have deemed the sales of alcohol is essential. I suppose a shoe store and its employees in a mall isnt even though they most likely contribute to no ones death. Another point. Is everyone sick of being deemed a non -essential piece of vomit by stalinist govs? I have news for them. every person is essential and every business is essential so stop deciding who can work and who cant. Who can open a business and who cant based on your hate-filled opinion of the "non-essential". Even though my posts are brilliant i can only post 5 times a day so i cant reply to every who agrees with me. And why in the hell cant the PGA be playing tournaments out in the virus killing UV light. And by the way there is also not a shred of evidence of viral transmission from outside activities, but plenty from being locked up. *this part was so good i just want to repeat it One final point. You know this isnt really serious when we all know alcohol kills thousands a year, abd creates long term health consequences to millions. I think its safe to say alcohol will be responsible for more kids dying under the age of 15 from auto accidents than corona will. And with the false codings of deaths alcohol will kill more of everyone than corona. Yet, it seems many stalinist govs seem to glorify in all those deaths since they seem to have deemed the sales of alcohol is essential. I suppose a shoe store and its employees in a mall isnt even though they most likely contribute to no ones death. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Okie dokie then.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 3 hours ago, losetoa6 said: There's no doubt imo that having a small minority phasing in reopenings ...(of different types of activities and businesses ) will be a nice gauge for the rest of us . I'm glad its happening and I think they will succeed if strong guidelines are implemented and common sense and rationale is used from majority of Americans. One reason I’ve never fully understood the vehemence of some arguments (on both sides) is that whatever “open” is it’s unlikely to look significantly different from now. Most of the things currently closed won’t just be back to normal anytime soon regardless of what the official policy is called. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimorewx Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Somebody doesn’t know the meaning of “final point” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, ldub23 said: You know isnt really serious for the vast majority of people when AT LEAST half the deaths are in nursing homes from elderly who got it in nursing homes and 99% of the deaths are either elderly or people with another reason they were already dying, such as cancer. There is zero evidence children are at any risk, regardless of the very few cases the media obsesses on and schools should never have been cancelled. I saw a study from italy where 65% got the virus in a hospital or nursing home, 25% intrafamial (people being cooped up together inside a house) and only 4.2% from work, yet the places least likely to spread the virus are the most likely to be shut down. Further, while for some reason restaurant and bar employees are seen as evil there seems to be zero evidence anyone can point to of anyone dying from eating in a restaurant or having a drink in a bar. However, i can easily point out the place you dont want to be is in a nursing home or hospital. And i dont mean people being taken there after getting the virus somewhere else. They get it there. Then there is the issue of thousands of false death codings. NYC admitted they added 3700 deaths in one day without a positive test for corona. The illinois office admitted they code a death as corona if there is a positive test regardless if the person died of cancer. One final point. You know this isnt really serious when we all know alcohol kills thousands a year, abd creates long term health consequences to millions. I think its safe to say alcohol will be responsible for more kids dying under the age of 15 from auto accidents than corona will. And with the false codings of deaths alcohol will kill more of everyone than corona. Yet, it seems many stalinist govs seem to glorify in all those deaths since they seem to have deemed the sales of alcohol is essential. I suppose a shoe store and its employees in a mall isnt even though they most likely contribute to no ones death. Another point. Is everyone sick of being deemed a non -essential piece of vomit by stalinist govs? I have news for them. every person is essential and every business is essential so stop deciding who can work and who cant. Who can open a business and who cant based on your hate-filled opinion of the "non-essential". Even though my posts are brilliant i can only post 5 times a day so i cant reply to every who agrees with me. And why in the hell cant the PGA be playing tournaments out in the virus killing UV light. And by the way there is also not a shred of evidence of viral transmission from outside activities, but plenty from being locked up. *this part was so good i just want to repeat it One final point. You know this isnt really serious when we all know alcohol kills thousands a year, abd creates long term health consequences to millions. I think its safe to say alcohol will be responsible for more kids dying under the age of 15 from auto accidents than corona will. And with the false codings of deaths alcohol will kill more of everyone than corona. Yet, it seems many stalinist govs seem to glorify in all those deaths since they seem to have deemed the sales of alcohol is essential. I suppose a shoe store and its employees in a mall isnt even though they most likely contribute to no ones death. Initially I was considering responding to this, but I don’t have it in me lol. There’s too much wrong and it’s too incoherent to dissect. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 that @ldub23dude has more “final points” than Lord of the Rings has endings. Wow 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris78 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 16 minutes ago, ldub23 said: You know isnt really serious for the vast majority of people when AT LEAST half the deaths are in nursing homes from elderly who got it in nursing homes and 99% of the deaths are either elderly or people with another reason they were already dying, such as cancer. There is zero evidence children are at any risk, regardless of the very few cases the media obsesses on and schools should never have been cancelled. I saw a study from italy where 65% got the virus in a hospital or nursing home, 25% intrafamial (people being cooped up together inside a house) and only 4.2% from work, yet the places least likely to spread the virus are the most likely to be shut down. Further, while for some reason restaurant and bar employees are seen as evil there seems to be zero evidence anyone can point to of anyone dying from eating in a restaurant or having a drink in a bar. However, i can easily point out the place you dont want to be is in a nursing home or hospital. And i dont mean people being taken there after getting the virus somewhere else. They get it there. Then there is the issue of thousands of false death codings. NYC admitted they added 3700 deaths in one day without a positive test for corona. The illinois office admitted they code a death as corona if there is a positive test regardless if the person died of cancer. One final point. You know this isnt really serious when we all know alcohol kills thousands a year, abd creates long term health consequences to millions. I think its safe to say alcohol will be responsible for more kids dying under the age of 15 from auto accidents than corona will. And with the false codings of deaths alcohol will kill more of everyone than corona. Yet, it seems many stalinist govs seem to glorify in all those deaths since they seem to have deemed the sales of alcohol is essential. I suppose a shoe store and its employees in a mall isnt even though they most likely contribute to no ones death. Another point. Is everyone sick of being deemed a non -essential piece of vomit by stalinist govs? I have news for them. every person is essential and every business is essential so stop deciding who can work and who cant. Who can open a business and who cant based on your hate-filled opinion of the "non-essential". Even though my posts are brilliant i can only post 5 times a day so i cant reply to every who agrees with me. And why in the hell cant the PGA be playing tournaments out in the virus killing UV light. And by the way there is also not a shred of evidence of viral transmission from outside activities, but plenty from being locked up. *this part was so good i just want to repeat it One final point. You know this isnt really serious when we all know alcohol kills thousands a year, abd creates long term health consequences to millions. I think its safe to say alcohol will be responsible for more kids dying under the age of 15 from auto accidents than corona will. And with the false codings of deaths alcohol will kill more of everyone than corona. Yet, it seems many stalinist govs seem to glorify in all those deaths since they seem to have deemed the sales of alcohol is essential. I suppose a shoe store and its employees in a mall isnt even though they most likely contribute to no ones death. Sometimes the goverment needs to protect people from themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowtoRain Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 56 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said: These are not good analogies imo. Why would controlling this pandemic make the next one worse? There will be new vulnerable populations by the time the next one comes. It’s not like a forest fire that wipes out all the fuel and can’t come back right away. Actually, there is a grain of truth in this, pandemics are obviously most lethal to more vulnerable populations. Before modern medicine the more healthy and genetically fit survived. Those that survived had, in general, longer lives and those genes were passed down to future generations creating demographics that were more resilient. This played out during the bubonic plague (Dewitte, 2014) and on a catastrophic scale with small pox in the Americas. Fortunately, with modern medicine we do not have to go through such turmoil just to have future generations survive and prosper. As for forest fire suppression, the analogy makes some sense because through fire suppresion it has completely changed the environment that those species live in, allowing certain less resilient species to colonize and allowing other populations to take on traits less suitable to surviving the natural fire cycle that should have been occuring. This creates the opportunity for when fires that do occur to become even more destructive due to more plant material present and less resilient populations. That is why management strategies now have shifted to control burns to allow a more natural fire cycle to reduce material, help sustain native populations that are resilient, and also ensure less damage to infrastructure from uncontrollable fires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Hey @ldub23. I thought about engaging, but there's a lot there... and we've covered most of this ground already in this thread. You seem like someone who doesn't think the virus is that dangerous to you. That's fine. It's dangerous to a lot of people, and right now our best bet is following good public health guidelines and being careful. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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