PhineasC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, Yeoman said: He’s very easy to follow and has been consistent with his arguments. I think the issue has more to do with the fact that it’s not what you want to hear. It’s not a coincidence that some of the loudest voices in support of lockdowns are the teachers. I’m sure the very powerful teacher unions in these blue states are putting heavy pressure on the governors to stay locked down. It’s an interesting dynamic... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 3 hours ago, PhineasC said: Folks need to study history if they think it's "cute" to believe the government can be given an inch and then take a mile. Literally every totalitarian regime starts this way. We shouldn't be cheering this shit and hoping it stays this way. Take a damned civics class. I thought you were accusing others of being political. You jump around to various points but this one here doesn’t get more political. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 33 minutes ago, Yeoman said: He’s very easy to follow and has been consistent with his arguments. I think the issue has more to do with the fact that it’s not what you want to hear. I don’t really have a dog in this fight tbh. If we open up soon, I’m game for that. If we stay closed for a while longer to be cautious, fine by me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, psuhoffman said: I thought you were accusing others of being political. You jump around to various points but this one here doesn’t get more political. American freedoms transcend our current political parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 What a way to spend a gorgeous weekend day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 7 minutes ago, H2O said: What a way to spend a gorgeous weekend day. And here you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 11 minutes ago, PhineasC said: American freedoms transcend our current political parties. 47 minutes ago, PhineasC said: It’s not a coincidence that some of the loudest voices in support of lockdowns are the teachers. I’m sure the very powerful teacher unions in these blue states are putting heavy pressure on the governors to stay locked down. It’s an interesting dynamic... Tell me again about being political... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 @PhineasC I’m not going too deep down this hole because it’s way way way over the politics line...but populism is a way bigger threat to democracy and freedom than temporary emergency measures during a pandemic. Government had taken measures normally not accepted in emergencies when collective action is necessary plenty of times before. The only way these measure become permanent threats is if society allows it. And that attitude or lack of awareness would be the real threat not the virus mitigation policy. If we have become that complacent that we would allow the government to go full empire on us that result is inevitable and blaming a temporary pandemic policy for that is nearsighted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Yeoman said: He’s very easy to follow and has been consistent with his arguments. I think the issue has more to do with the fact that it’s not what you want to hear. His arguments have been consistent but his justifications for them jump all over the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, H2O said: What a way to spend a gorgeous weekend day. Toxic, toxic....mercy. Forgive me, I've tried to hold my peace about this, but...my goodness, ya got the same two or three in here messing it up (when I see their icons, I don't even open it half the time, lol) I mean, I get that you guys don't want to moderate TOO heavily and such...nevertheless, it's still frustrating to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 What a way to spend a gorgeous weekend day. Just avoid the bike trails... most packed I’ve ever seen them in DC 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeoman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 Toxic, toxic....mercy. Forgive me, I've tried to hold my peace about this, but...my goodness, ya got the same two or three in here messing it up (when I see their icons, I don't even open it half the time, lol) I mean, I get that you guys don't want to moderate TOO heavily and such...nevertheless, it's still frustrating to read.The ignore function works pretty well if you don’t care to read opposing opinions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 30 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said: Toxic, toxic....mercy. Forgive me, I've tried to hold my peace about this, but...my goodness, ya got the same two or three in here messing it up (when I see their icons, I don't even open it half the time, lol) I mean, I get that you guys don't want to moderate TOO heavily and such...nevertheless, it's still frustrating to read. LOL they love moderating heavily. Slam that report button, bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Yeoman said: The ignore function works pretty well if you don’t care to read opposing opinions This forum is already heavily curated. Not sure how it could get even more toned down. It would be dead for most of the day. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 I do think there is some evidence worth examining that suggests the risk of this virus to some populations is relatively low. If that turns out to be true I do think we can use that along with other things we learn as we go along to tailor an effective and less extreme mitigation policy. I am not advocating for a stay in lockdown for as long as it takes no matter what policy. I think there should be a discussion as we learn more and more about exactly what the most effective policy should be and if we can adapt and design less restrictive but still effective strategies to protect vulnerable populations. HOWEVER...that is not the conversation that is happening in here. And worse...it is not the reality that is happening in some places. Places that are opening aren't taking measures to protect vulnerable populations. They are simply opening up. There are a few people who are even going out of their way to discount taking certain common sense measures. I've seen "we obviously aren't going to do contact tracing" posted several times. Oh really...why is that? We have plenty of available labor who could quickly be hired and trained to do this. Why are some totally discounting what would be a proven method to mitigate the spread without more restrictive measures? They seem more intent on using this situation to validate their "give me liberty or give me death" ideology than formulating an effective pandemic response policy. I am totally willing to discuss ways (based on a scientific methodology and evidence) to formulate a less restrictive pandemic policy. I actually think that is where we need to take this in the coming weeks and months. But that discussion and policy should be driven by using evidence to develop methods to protect vulnerable people and to quickly respond and stop localized hotspots before they spread. The discussion shouldn't be driven by attempts to prove America values liberty over life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 9 minutes ago, PhineasC said: LOL they love moderating heavily. Slam that report button, bro. yea you made this boring argument last night...and you are still here making your case so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 17 minutes ago, Yeoman said: The ignore function works pretty well if you don’t care to read opposing opinions My problem ain't with the opposing opinions...if that were the case I could just hit ignore. (and sure you can hit ignore, but the effects on the thread ya still see). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 13 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said: My problem ain't with the opposing opinions...if that were the case I could just hit ignore. (and sure you can hit ignore, but the effects on the thread ya still see). So what is your problem? What effects? More posts? Seems like a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 4 hours ago, PhineasC said: With business production and some rationing, yes. They never forcibly shut down churches, businesses, sports, travel, etc. I think a lot of folks will just vote with their feet and move to states like Texas and Florida, a trend that is already happening. Oh, and elections have been canceled. NY canceled their primaries. More is coming in November unless we push back on it. We have freedom, but it comes with a heavy price. Its already hot as heck down here! It gets much worse in another 6 weeks, lol. Highs around 102 and lows around 84, dewpoints near 74 for weeks and weeks on end. No hope for major cold front relief til about late October. You just might want to think about that before trying out our climate, lol. And, it is MUCH drier. Much less rain, much milder winters, our January average is 60 for a high. And winter allergies! I cough up my lungs for 2 months just from cedar, starting around Christmas, I dont need COVID to sound like an old geezer, cedar does that for me every winter. If I ever get COVID + Cedar, I'll be sunk without a trace lmao! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 2 hours ago, PhineasC said: It’s not a coincidence that some of the loudest voices in support of lockdowns are the teachers. I’m sure the very powerful teacher unions in these blue states are putting heavy pressure on the governors to stay locked down. It’s an interesting dynamic... You lose me when you or anyone make it partisan. It's no longer a discussion it's just an I'm right and you're wrong argument which is just annoying. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 25 minutes ago, leesburg 04 said: You lose me when you or anyone make it partisan. It's no longer a discussion it's just an I'm right and you're wrong argument which is just annoying. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Maestrobjwa said: Toxic, toxic....mercy. Forgive me, I've tried to hold my peace about this, but...my goodness, ya got the same two or three in here messing it up (when I see their icons, I don't even open it half the time, lol) I mean, I get that you guys don't want to moderate TOO heavily and such...nevertheless, it's still frustrating to read. Sorry, I’ve been outside all day powering washing. Phin isn’t worth the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 And you guys can use the report button if you need too. As far as I can tell no one did today so despite the complaints, y’all didn’t do much to get someone’s attention over it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhineasC Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 I’ve been trying to tell them that. They think you and water don’t like moderating. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 1 minute ago, PhineasC said: I’ve been trying to tell them that. They think you and water don’t like moderating. LOL power grabbing moderator reporting for duty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted May 2, 2020 Author Share Posted May 2, 2020 Sike, no I’m not. There’s still daylight and it’s beautiful outside, go enjoy it folks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted May 2, 2020 Share Posted May 2, 2020 19 minutes ago, PhineasC said: I’ve been trying to tell them that. They think you and water don’t like moderating. LOL You’ve now made numerous posts about being moderated which should be moderated because it’s cluttering up the thread. You obviously want to be moderated. You keep this up and sooner or later they will and then you will say see told ya so. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 7 hours ago, mappy said: And you guys can use the report button if you need too. As far as I can tell no one did today so despite the complaints, y’all didn’t do much to get someone’s attention over it Understood! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 55% of VA death count is from nursing homes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted May 3, 2020 Share Posted May 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Ji said: 55% of VA death count is from nursing homes. I feel especially bad for the people who are living in those nursing homes, I'd imagine there's a sense of paranoia in those environments :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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