mappy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, SnowtoRain said: Laziness, I needed to get the correct term came from Trevor Bedford's twitter, https://mobile.twitter.com/trvrb/status/1251334241087979521 hahaha, all in good fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 I think +47 deaths (was 584 yesterday, 631 today) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 hours ago, mappy said: these flu comparisons are starting to get really silly. You’re being really generous there! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Man I'm so tired of the hand soap shortage...it, like hand sanitizer, is pretty much gold. any suggestions on alternatives? Have had to switch to using Palmolive antibacterial dish soap...but it's makin' my hands snow like 2010!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 I think we can reply to people without scolding them about nonsense. thats how shit gets started. thanks for posting those polls, though, trixie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, wxtrix said: 34,200 per the CDC. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html why would you make up a number when the correct info is readily available? That’s rhetorical right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 I wonder if the MI Gov will still ban all seed sales/garden centers for the next month too? That's a good example of social distancing orders gone wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, wxtrix said: I have no idea who he is. does he regularly just lie about stuff? Fake news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, wxtrix said: I responded that way because he said "we were told something that didn't pan out". that is straight up disinformation. and i appreciate you setting him straight. you could have done without this: stop posting this nonsense unless you have facts to back it up. We aren't going to be doing that here. Its fine you wanna correct someone, but I am telling you to find a better way to do it. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 The false equivalencies being made aren’t fooling anyone. People need to stop. It’s kinda insulting when you post something people would have to be stupid to believe. Examples I’ve seen lately Comparing the rate of “confirmed” covid infections to “estimated” flu infections. Comparing the spread of covid during extreme mitigation measures to the spread of other viruses during limited or no measures. Comparing the spread of a virus in one society to another with a completely different population density or culture. Projecting similar results of a policy from one culture onto another. Comparing the mortality of confirmed covid cases to the mortality of estimated cases of other viruses. Bringing up one variable to discredit one data set then ignoring its effect on the other you are comparing it too. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, psuhoffman said: The false equivalencies being made aren’t fooling anyone. People need to stop. It’s kinda insulting when you post something people would have to be stupid to believe. Examples I’ve seen lately Comparing the rate of “confirmed” covid infections to “estimated” flu infections. Comparing the spread of a virus in one society to another with a completely different population density or culture. Projecting similar results of a policy from one culture onto another. Comparing the mortality of confirmed covid cases to the mortality of estimated cases of other viruses. Bringing up one variable to discredit one data set then ignoring its effect on the other you are comparing it too. I agree, they aren't helpful. All I ask is that you all (general you all) correct others in a nicer way when they do it. if you (general you) wanna sling mud, i can point you to the place to do it. (its not here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, wxtrix said: I responded that way because he said "we were told something that didn't pan out". that is straight up disinformation. Exactly. The more dire estimates of mortality, as I understood things, were *if* we did nothing or almost nothing. That the numbers are now indicating a lower amount (thankfully!) would seem to me to be a direct result of stay-home orders, social distancing, and restrictions on what establishments can remain open (and how many people can be in those places at one time). There's also the concern over a second wave next fall/winter, right at the same time as the regular flu season is going on. In many ways, that actually alarms or scares me more than how to deal with things now. How will we deal with that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, Always in Zugzwang said: Exactly. The more dire estimates of mortality, as I understood things, were *if* we did nothing or almost nothing. That the numbers are now indicating a lower amount (thankfully!) would seem to me to be a direct result of stay-home orders, social distancing, and restrictions on what establishments can remain open (and how many people can be in those places at one time). There's also the concern over a second wave next fall/winter, right at the same time as the regular flu season is going on. In many ways, that actually alarms or scares me more than how to deal with things now. How will we deal with that? It's entirely reasonable to expect at least a treatment protocol for COVID-19 by the end of 2020. There are several promising treatment protocols being studied and this would at least provide us with options to significantly lower the mortality rate going forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydreb Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Always in Zugzwang said: Exactly. The more dire estimates of mortality, as I understood things, were *if* we did nothing or almost nothing. That the numbers are now indicating a lower amount (thankfully!) would seem to me to be a direct result of stay-home orders, social distancing, and restrictions on what establishments can remain open (and how many people can be in those places at one time). There's also the concern over a second wave next fall/winter, right at the same time as the regular flu season is going on. In many ways, that actually alarms or scares me more than how to deal with things now. How will we deal with that? Well, if you believe Dr. Fauci we’re going to deal with it with increased testing, contact tracing and better therapeutics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 These are the signs you want to see for the flattening out and eventual lowering of the curve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 3 minutes ago, Eskimo Joe said: It's entirely reasonable to expect at least a treatment protocol for COVID-19 by the end of 2020. There are several promising treatment protocols being studied and this would at least provide us with options to significantly lower the mortality rate going forward. 2 minutes ago, jaydreb said: Well, if you believe Dr. Fauci we’re going to deal with it with increased testing, contact tracing and better therapeutics. Good points, and I have heard some about this. With luck, having several month's "lead time" before the next season, we'll have better ways of treating this in lieu of a vaccine at some other time in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 24 minutes ago, Always in Zugzwang said: Exactly. The more dire estimates of mortality, as I understood things, were *if* we did nothing or almost nothing. That the numbers are now indicating a lower amount (thankfully!) would seem to me to be a direct result of stay-home orders, social distancing, and restrictions on what establishments can remain open (and how many people can be in those places at one time). There's also the concern over a second wave next fall/winter, right at the same time as the regular flu season is going on. In many ways, that actually alarms or scares me more than how to deal with things now. How will we deal with that? I am *hoping* (and this hope is based on our leaders being sufficiently pressured to do the right thing since I distrust so many of them) that we will have a decent testing and tracing system in place by this fall, so that any surge in cases can be kept under control, and we wouldn’t have to once again shut down our country. When testing is woefully inadequate and we severely lack data, then these draconian lockdowns are the only way to reliably protect us from the virus. But hopefully if we have a system to identify infected people and isolated them, then the rest of us can be left alone. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 45 minutes ago, wxtrix said: bar soap seems to be available. I shoulda said any liquid alternatives (I've long thought sharing a bar of soap would be worse...not sure how accurate that is, though!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 19 hours ago, Vice-Regent said: I am more worried about dead trees (from freeze) and empty beaches. We know winter is like our old summers now. Such is the way of life. What do you think winter will look like after a summer of diminished aerosols? Not only that GHGs and water vapors are at record levels already. Most would agree that we are leaving a distinct cultural and climactic era behind. I figured someone like you would celebrate this pandemic. Much lower emissions this year and a possible multi year depression that may follow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGolfBro Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 hour ago, wxtrix said: polling overwhelmingly shows that people support the lockdowns. stop posting this nonsense unless you have facts to back it up. There is a difference between social distancing and lockdowns. And if you want to be a jerk about it then have it. I will continue posting my thoughts and opinions. I don’t support the lockdowns any longer. But i do support people making their own decisions. If u are in fear of the virus and wish to remain locked down you have the right to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted April 22, 2020 Author Share Posted April 22, 2020 sigh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fozz Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, SnowGolfBro said: There is a difference between social distancing and lockdowns. And if you want to be a jerk about it then have it. I will continue posting my thoughts and opinions. I don’t support the lockdowns any longer. But i do support people making their own decisions. If u are in fear of the virus and wish to remain locked down you have the right to do so. We’ve had more deaths yesterday than any other day and yet you want the lockdowns to end already? A severe pandemic cannot be left up to individual choices. Government has to force people to do the right thing, just like it had to force young men to fight during WWII even though it violated individual freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Just now, Always in Zugzwang said: Good points, and I have heard some about this. With luck, having several month's "lead time" before the next season, we'll have better ways of treating this in lieu of a vaccine at some other time in the future. Much of the success for flattening the eventual 2nd spike with COVID19, as with any significant public health incident, is political leadership and intelligence of the population of a location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psuhoffman Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 8 minutes ago, mappy said: sigh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 1 minute ago, psuhoffman said: Flex tape will take care of it. 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnowGolfBro Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Yes i want to see the lockdowns end. Perhaps not everywhere all at once. But I’m open to business being reopened and people making the decision to go or not go over the next few weeks. In VA we are not having a crisis like they are in NY or NJ. I think it should be a measured approach, but i think we need to begin the process immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2O Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, SnowGolfBro said: Yes i want to see the lockdowns end. Perhaps not everywhere all at once. But I’m open to business being reopened and people making the decision to go or not go over the next few weeks. In VA we are not having a crisis like they are in NY or NJ. I think it should be a measured approach, but i think we need to begin the process immediately. Simple question. Are the number of cases in VA increasing or decreasing day to day? Comparing VA to the WORST place hit by this is lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 56 minutes ago, mappy said: I agree, they aren't helpful. All I ask is that you all (general you all) correct others in a nicer way when they do it. if you (general you) wanna sling mud, i can point you to the place to do it. (its not here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 Waiting for NJ's numbers but indications are NJ is still getting slammed today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eskimo Joe Posted April 22, 2020 Share Posted April 22, 2020 ^yea that's not good to see hospitals go on total reroute. That's a big oof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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