April 2020 Discussion

[A-L-E-K]

Feels like it has been raining forever. Hot looking band this am tho

[Baum]

In January I'd have snow over the car roofs from the last 7 days,  

[michsnowfreak]

7 hours ago, UMB WX said:

precip hasn't been a problem of late in winter.  Its the timing thats been all ****ed up for yrs to get what we all come here for, snow

 

We share winter through, MSF scrap winter storms now. Where do we go from here? That magnet and crap  winter climo is sure to run out.  Helter Skelter winters? I'd love to  MAGA believe  our climo isn't changing beneath our eyes. Hah.  Them  1970's winters made me in to the snow weenie I am.   Them days have sailed.

few quarantine cocktails?  Jokes aside, a few insane winters of the late 1970s were NOT normal lol. Not to mention most of this region has had a snowier winter(s) this century (whether its 2007-08 or 2013-14) than anything the 1970s threw out. Check out some of Milwaukees winters of the 1950s-60s, tons of snowless clunkers. Snow in the Great Lakes will continue to fall in a decent supply, but Im not sure if it will ever be to the traditionalists satisfaction (ie not starting so early, not ending so late, always having white Christmases, never having winter thaws, etc). 

[RogueWaves]

40 minutes ago, michsnowfreak said:

few quarantine cocktails?  Jokes aside, a few insane winters of the late 1970s were NOT normal lol. Not to mention most of this region has had a snowier winter(s) this century (whether its 2007-08 or 2013-14) than anything the 1970s threw out. Check out some of Milwaukees winters of the 1950s-60s, tons of snowless clunkers. Snow in the Great Lakes will continue to fall in a decent supply, but Im not sure if it will ever be to the traditionalists satisfaction (ie not starting so early, not ending so late, always having white Christmases, never having winter thaws, etc). 

Chicagoan's would beg to differ. 3 of their top 4 snowiest winters were in the 70's. Not sure why you like to trash that era's winter awesomeness? 

 

 

[michsnowfreak]

41 minutes ago, RogueWaves said:

Chicagoan's would beg to differ. 3 of their top 4 snowiest winters were in the 70's. Not sure why you like to trash that era's winter awesomeness? 

 

 

oh my, my words were definitely taken out of context. I don't at all trash 1970s winters. In fact, I would LOVE to go in a time machine and experience them, as they were what I want in a winter, snow AND extreme cold. My comment about snow was simply that many (not all, as you see by Chicago) in this region had a snowier winter in recent years than anything in the 1970s (Detroit, Toledo, Milwaukee just at a glance). My only "beef" with 70s winters is when people act like they were "normal". That is NOT the case. You are taking a benchmark for severity and saying that is how things should be. Ive seen it many times (not necessarily here). And yes, I absolutely think its a bit ridiculous how much excess snow has fallen in this region the last 20 years and some act like it doesn't snow like it used to or is supposed to. I can only imagine how much nitpicking would go on if weather boards were around in the 70s lol

[Chicago Storm]

2.05” backside rain at ORD.


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[Hoosier]

There's a story in the local paper about how Lake Michigan really tore up the shoreline in northwest IN.  Homes now at risk.  

[A-L-E-K]

Lake absolutely wrecking shit lately 

[MIstorm97]

Had scheduled maintenance on my car today so it’s in the shop till tomorrow. Would’ve been on the lake otherwise. All this heavy rain is only raising the lake levels more. Gonna be an even worse fall than last year. For sure gonna lose some homes 

[Spartman]

Ended up as the first April since 2016 to be dry and the first dry month since last November.

[Snowstorms]

Just a few stats at YYZ. 

Total precip: 1.61" (avg is 2.70") - driest April since 2012 

Max temp: 58.6F - coldest April maximum temperature ever

Min temp: 23.3F  

Mean temp for the month: 42.6F (-2.2F below avg) 

 

Overall conclusion: Another garbage April.  

[RogueWaves]

On 4/30/2020 at 11:36 AM, michsnowfreak said:

oh my, my words were definitely taken out of context. I don't at all trash 1970s winters. In fact, I would LOVE to go in a time machine and experience them, as they were what I want in a winter, snow AND extreme cold. My comment about snow was simply that many (not all, as you see by Chicago) in this region had a snowier winter in recent years than anything in the 1970s (Detroit, Toledo, Milwaukee just at a glance). My only "beef" with 70s winters is when people act like they were "normal". That is NOT the case. You are taking a benchmark for severity and saying that is how things should be. Ive seen it many times (not necessarily here). And yes, I absolutely think its a bit ridiculous how much excess snow has fallen in this region the last 20 years and some act like it doesn't snow like it used to or is supposed to. I can only imagine how much nitpicking would go on if weather boards were around in the 70s lol

Glad to read your post. Thx for clarifying. Since this Sub seems to be anchored by the Chicagoland Peeps, I was just making a point on their behalf, lol. 

And yeah, those 70's winters were NOT the norm (sadly) for SMI. But as a kid who was growing up in that era of limited info and nothing to compare against, it totally WAS the norm for me. Five straight winters of historic record-setting cold/snow/storms for my native region. After suffering the ups and downs of the 80's I went north to the snowbelts of NMI. Forever losing my prior perspective of SMI winters. Ofc 08-09 and 13-14 were historic by SMI norms, but literally half the snow I got during the mid-90's in NMI. 

CAT-5 blizzard remains on my bucket list tho, lol

[hawkeye_wx]

It's rainy and 40º over here today.

[michsnowfreak]

1 hour ago, RogueWaves said:

Glad to read your post. Thx for clarifying. Since this Sub seems to be anchored by the Chicagoland Peeps, I was just making a point on their behalf, lol. 

And yeah, those 70's winters were NOT the norm (sadly) for SMI. But as a kid who was growing up in that era of limited info and nothing to compare against, it totally WAS the norm for me. Five straight winters of historic record-setting cold/snow/storms for my native region. After suffering the ups and downs of the 80's I went north to the snowbelts of NMI. Forever losing my prior perspective of SMI winters. Ofc 08-09 and 13-14 were historic by SMI norms, but literally half the snow I got during the mid-90's in NMI. 

CAT-5 blizzard remains on my bucket list tho, lol

Yes, the information was definitely not as flowing as it is now, so as a kid, I can see how you would think that was normal. The harshness of 70s winters were all encompassing, with perhaps the persistence of record cold at least as impressive as the snow itself. At the time, the much less snowy and MUCH MUCH warmer winters of the '50s should have still been in the minds of adults, and I cant imagine the contrast of where you were lucky to see a few single digits in a 50s winter whereas in the 70s, a harmless cold front seemed to still drop below zero. So aside from 200 years of gramps "when I was a kid" nonsense, a true weather observer at the time would be very intrigued by the change. The change snow-wise is similar now wrt the 1990s vs the 2010s, and as a weather observer its striking how much more snow we have gotten in the 2010s. But in the '70s you had the additional snow AND additional cold, whereas the 2010s and 1990s temp differences weren't as striking.

 

And as an aside, while Detroit joined in on the harshness of the 70s winters that enveloped the region, and snowfall was solidly above avg, we didnt really have that "extreme" snowfall that nearby areas did. Looking at the snowiest winters, from a strictly snowfall perspective, the 2010s dominate the 1970s.

01.) 94.9" - 2013-14

02.) 93.6" - 1880-81

03.) 78.0" - 1925-26

04.) 74.0" - 1981-82

05.) 71.7" - 2007-08

06.) 69.1" - 1899-00

06.) 69.1" - 2010-11

08.) 67.2" - 1907-08

09.) 66.5" - 1929-30

10.) 65.7" - 2008-09

11.) 63.8" - 2004-05

12.) 63.1" - 1974-75

13.) 61.7" - 1977-78

14.) 61.0" - 2017-18

15.) 60.9" - 2002-03

16.) 60.8" - 1884-85

17.) 60.2" - 1898-99

18.) 59.9" - 1892-93

19.) 58.6" - 1951-52

20.) 58.0" - 1911-12

 

 

[RogueWaves]

On 5/5/2020 at 12:44 PM, michsnowfreak said:

Yes, the information was definitely not as flowing as it is now, so as a kid, I can see how you would think that was normal. The harshness of 70s winters were all encompassing, with perhaps the persistence of record cold at least as impressive as the snow itself. At the time, the much less snowy and MUCH MUCH warmer winters of the '50s should have still been in the minds of adults, and I cant imagine the contrast of where you were lucky to see a few single digits in a 50s winter whereas in the 70s, a harmless cold front seemed to still drop below zero. So aside from 200 years of gramps "when I was a kid" nonsense, a true weather observer at the time would be very intrigued by the change. The change snow-wise is similar now wrt the 1990s vs the 2010s, and as a weather observer its striking how much more snow we have gotten in the 2010s. But in the '70s you had the additional snow AND additional cold, whereas the 2010s and 1990s temp differences weren't as striking.

 

And as an aside, while Detroit joined in on the harshness of the 70s winters that enveloped the region, and snowfall was solidly above avg, we didnt really have that "extreme" snowfall that nearby areas did. Looking at the snowiest winters, from a strictly snowfall perspective, the 2010s dominate the 1970s.

01.) 94.9" - 2013-14

02.) 93.6" - 1880-81

03.) 78.0" - 1925-26

04.) 74.0" - 1981-82

05.) 71.7" - 2007-08

06.) 69.1" - 1899-00

06.) 69.1" - 2010-11

08.) 67.2" - 1907-08

09.) 66.5" - 1929-30

10.) 65.7" - 2008-09

11.) 63.8" - 2004-05

12.) 63.1" - 1974-75

13.) 61.7" - 1977-78

14.) 61.0" - 2017-18

15.) 60.9" - 2002-03

16.) 60.8" - 1884-85

17.) 60.2" - 1898-99

18.) 59.9" - 1892-93

19.) 58.6" - 1951-52

20.) 58.0" - 1911-12

 

 

Wow! Yeah, you've been living in a golden era for Motown=Snowtown