Upstate NY Banter and General Discussion..

[knight_raven]

7 hours ago, Syrmax said:

Well...it's not like the political class doesn't give everyone reason to despise them.  Esp in NY with 7 Dems and 2 R's being ousted from major office / positions credible/verified abuses/crimes in the past decade...including the last 3 Govs and an AG.

We finally found something they're good at...

[StormfanaticInd]

 

[BuffaloWeather]

[Syrmax]

11 hours ago, StormfanaticInd said:

 

Ran across this speaking stats...

From the CDC–

Covid Deaths in the U.S. from 01/01/2020 through 08/11/21

Age 0-17: 354

The following stats are for the same age bracket and length of time:

Deaths from pneumonia: 859

Deaths from Influenza:  188

 

[vortmax]

22 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I'm starting to think Delta is a more dangerous variant, any data on it? A client just came in and said his doctor said his entire office is sick with severe flu like symptoms. I thought Delta was more contagious and less deadly? Our area doesn't enter flu season for a few months. I think we're going to see a dramatic increase in cases this winter. 

I know, from experience, that all the colds, flus and other viruses that were almost non-existent over the past year due to social distancing, are coming back with force. It's very possible that they actually have RSV or influenza. We need to be careful not to blame Covid for every symptom as we move into the fall and winter months. I guarantee you the MSM will be blaming Covid on every stuffy nose to fear the public and get ratings.

Edit: My kids are STILL clearing out from the parainfluenza virus (can cause croup) going around with kids this summer...very unusual to hit in July-Aug timeframe. Anyone could've called it Covid (started with sore throat, then fever for a couple days, then sinus craziness, now coughing), but they were tested and negative.

[vortmax]

The global average new cases are leveling off again. Hopefully in a couple weeks it will downtrend as we get through delta.

 

[StormfanaticInd]

1 hour ago, vortmax said:

The global average new cases are leveling off again. Hopefully in a couple weeks it will downtrend as we get through delta.

 

The problem is fall and winter are coming 

[Syrmax]

1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said:

The problem is fall and winter are coming 

We're in good shape for fall / winter.  Growing vax rates and most vaxed have mild symptoms.  VIrtually no mortality among the unvaxed <30 and <17 y.o.'s.  Of course, actual data won't stop the fear porn an Masks Uber Alles crowd.

[vortmax]

2 hours ago, Syrmax said:

We're in good shape for fall / winter.  Growing vax rates and most vaxed have mild symptoms.  VIrtually no mortality among the unvaxed <30 and <17 y.o.'s.  Of course, actual data won't stop the fear porn an Masks Uber Alles crowd.

Plus, the 'globe' isn't all in winter at the same time ;). Agree we're in much better shape than 1 year ago. Of course, if watching most of the media, one would think it was worse.

[StormfanaticInd]

81,183 in the hospital. The average age has come way down also

[StormfanaticInd]

Will take longer for deaths to peak because the patients are younger 

[SouthBuffaloSteve]

9 hours ago, vortmax said:

The global average new cases are leveling off again. Hopefully in a couple weeks it will downtrend as we get through delta.

 

Until Lambda hits!

[SouthBuffaloSteve]

1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Will take longer for deaths to peak because the patients are younger 

Is this really what’s going on down there?  I mean NY had the super surge last March that the rest of the US didn’t… Is this how it is down South?  Scary if it is?  How do other parents feel about this with the kids being prone?  My daughter had covid back in December and had nothing more than a 2 day flu so didn’t seem that scary and guess it makes me downplay things a bit.  A friends 1 and 7 year olds both just had the delta variant and both were fine just a couple days of cold symptoms.  

[SouthBuffaloSteve]

Short 500 nurses at just one hospital… The labor shortage in this country right now is just incredible!  Where did this workforce go in 18 months?  Restaurants closing early and not even opening on odd days.  I mean he’ll most Tim Hortons close at 3 now!  I work the bottom rung in food retail and it’s just impossible to find help.  Every week I bank payroll dollars I just can’t spend.  Have an open OT policy for whoever wants to work extra shifts and I still am just so short handed.  Food manufactures are also getting hit hard and several big food companies are forced to shut down production lines due to labor shortages.  If the delta scare keeps growing there is some concern supply chains will be challenged more than in March 2020.  

[tim123]

Close second is high-school level. 

[MillvilleWx]

7 hours ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

Is this really what’s going on down there?  I mean NY had the super surge last March that the rest of the US didn’t… Is this how it is down South?  Scary if it is?  How do other parents feel about this with the kids being prone?  My daughter had covid back in December and had nothing more than a 2 day flu so didn’t seem that scary and guess it makes me downplay things a bit.  A friends 1 and 7 year olds both just had the delta variant and both were fine just a couple days of cold symptoms.  

This is exactly what is happening down here. Midland Memorial Hospital has seen a wicked surge with well north of 150 Covid patients seen on a daily basis. They don't have room for people, so they are sending them home with oxygen tanks and checking on them everyday. Pediatric facilities are seeing an insane number of Covid positive and RSV positive infants and toddlers which to me is the worst part in all this. This surge is worse than last summer and fall/winter for down here. Midland Co has a vax rate around 37% with over 130k people. People down here are anti-vax or anti-covid. Stories of people legit gasping for air before being ventilated, but telling the nurses and doctors this isn't Covid, it's something else....yada yada. Families fighting with hospital on death certificates is something else that has happened despite every single metric proving Covid. It's both a sign of malignant ignorance and disinformation campaigns that fuel a sadly uneducated and gullible mass of people down here. Education system down here is total crap. I'm so glad I grew up in an area that actually values education. 

[BuffaloWeather]

4 hours ago, MillvilleWx said:

This is exactly what is happening down here. Midland Memorial Hospital has seen a wicked surge with well north of 150 Covid patients seen on a daily basis. They don't have room for people, so they are sending them home with oxygen tanks and checking on them everyday. Pediatric facilities are seeing an insane number of Covid positive and RSV positive infants and toddlers which to me is the worst part in all this. This surge is worse than last summer and fall/winter for down here. Midland Co has a vax rate around 37% with over 130k people. People down here are anti-vax or anti-covid. Stories of people legit gasping for air before being ventilated, but telling the nurses and doctors this isn't Covid, it's something else....yada yada. Families fighting with hospital on death certificates is something else that has happened despite every single metric proving Covid. It's both a sign of malignant ignorance and disinformation campaigns that fuel a sadly uneducated and gullible mass of people down here. Education system down here is total crap. I'm so glad I grew up in an area that actually values education. 

It really is mind blowing. I have a PA critical care nurse in Atlanta and is going through the same thing. Their hospitals are slammed and she is so drained. 

[StormfanaticInd]

Just under 83k hospitalizations today. I just can't believe we are back at these levels again. 

[vortmax]

And in other news...Afghanistan has now been taken over by the Taliban in about 1 week. Unbelievable.

[Syrmax]

On 8/13/2021 at 9:08 PM, StormfanaticInd said:

Will take longer for deaths to peak because the patients are younger 

354 deaths attributed to Covid-19 from 1/1/20 till 8/11/21 in the 0-17 y.o. demographic per CDC tracking...gonna take a looooooong time if you think mortality is going to be increased much by the 0-17 y.o. age group...

[BuffaloWeather]

7 minutes ago, vortmax said:

And in other news...Afghanistan has now been taken over by the Taliban in about 1 week. Unbelievable.

20 years of training the afghan military, thousands of deaths, trillions of taxpayer dollars, and was overtaken within a week. 

My brother in law did 3 tours there and his best friend is medically retired at 24 due to that war, all for nothing. They are both messed up for life. 

[Syrmax]

2 minutes ago, vortmax said:

And in other news...Afghanistan has now been taken over by the Taliban in about 1 week. Unbelievable.

Hard to know what to think about it.  Could argue about how we've withdrawn over the past couple of years but...2 decades in there...we were probably long past the point where the Afghan Govt/People needed to become something other than a tribal mish mash.  Probably was never going to happen.   Now they've got an Islamic "Republic"...not sure if there was any alternative other than to maintain a permanent protectorate there.  I have a sense the UN wanted nothing to do with that...

[vortmax]

1 minute ago, BuffaloWeather said:

20 years of training the afghan military, thousands of deaths, trillions of dollars, and was overtaken within a week. 

Literally, in a week. Un-frickin believable. This is absolutely terrible and a huge fail for the current administration, but also the US as a whole - could have been a long time coming, but the ending was just sad.

[BuffaloWeather]

2 minutes ago, vortmax said:

Literally, in a week. Un-frickin believable. This is absolutely terrible and a huge fail for the current administration, but also the US as a whole. Sad.

Well all the trump supporters wanted our troops to come home, Biden agreed and look what happens. It's a bipartisan issue, both are blaming the other side as usual. Did you see what the taliban has now? 100+ humvees, tanks, enough weapons and ammo for decades of fighting. They interviewed a few leaders over there already and want Islamic law worldwide, but they are "patient". 9/11 take two is a matter of when not if. 

[vortmax]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Well all the trump supporters wanted our troops to come home, Biden agreed and look what happens. It's a bipartisan issue, both are blaming the other side as usual. Did you see what the taliban has now? 100+ humvees, tanks, enough weapons and ammo for decades of fighting. 

Agreed, but they current admin really screwed this withdrawal up, they even said they didn't believe the Taliban would do this just a couple months ago.

[BuffaloWeather]

Just now, vortmax said:

Agreed, but they current admin really screwed this withdrawal up, they even said they didn't believe the Taliban would do this just a could months ago.

There has to be something wrong there. The afghan army just gave up, maybe they agree with the tailban? They didn't even fight. With the amount of gear the US gave them they should have easily held against the Taliban. Maybe everyone is just sick and tired of all the fighting for the last 2 decades. 

[Syrmax]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Well all the trump supporters wanted our troops to come home, Biden agreed and look what happens. It's a bipartisan issue, both are blaming the other side as usual. Did you see what the taliban has now? 100+ humvees, tanks, enough weapons and ammo for decades of fighting. 

I don't think most Americans were in favor of the permanent war but it was low intensity so it sort of flew under the radar.  It's the old argument about being the world's policeman...using mainly our own resources.  The original reason for going in (Taliban) was sound, IMO, but noone was envisioning a 2 decades long presence.  Biden ripped off the bandaid but Trump Admin started the slow peel.  This was inevitable IMO.  It will be destabilizing in the region and perhaps globally and I'm sure we'll be dealing with the fallout for a long time.

[BuffaloWeather]

Just now, Syrmax said:

I don't think most Americans were in favor of the permanent war.  It's the old argument about being the world's policeman...using mainly our own resources.  The original reason for going in (Taliban) was sound, IMO, but noone was envisioning a 2 decades long presence.  Biden ripped off the bandaid but Trump Admin started the slow peel.  This was inevitable IMO.  It will be destabilizing in the region and perhaps globally and I'm sure we'll be dealing with the fallout for a long time.

Yeah I'm not a fan of wars, they don't really accomplish anything at all. Being the world's policemen is literally impossible. We have enough to worry about over here. 

[Syrmax]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Yeah I'm not a fan of wars, they don't really accomplish anything at all. Being the world's policemen is literally impossible. We have enough to worry about over here. 

How long before Taliban 2.0 start tearing down historical monuments the don't like... again?  We even have wannabe's doing that here in the US these days...which is why (for the most part) I object to cancelling history.   

[BuffaloWeather]

17 minutes ago, Syrmax said:

How long before Taliban 2.0 start tearing down historical monuments the don't like... again?  We even have wannabe's doing that here in the US these days...which is why (for the most part) I object to cancelling history.   

What happens over there should stay over there. Cut off all travel on flights that connect to the middle east and ban all passengers from that country from international travel.