40westwx Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: 0.63%... on 152,000 tests... Wish they would break out more groups like this to see if there is a more common denominator where all these positive cases are coming from. Just a thought here, but data of just nursing homes would be a great place to start. Why would we expect anything different.. the corona virus made its way through the northeast in the spring.. If you want you can pay to have more PCR cycles run on those test.. you can get more positives that way.. if you really want to.. thats what they did in some labs in Washington DC area Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brentrich Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 hours ago, lakeeffectkid383 said: Up to almost 8%, welcome the red zone tomorrow. 12.3% here in monroe county. We will be seeing red soon too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 https://gf.me/u/y94m6q https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/erie-county-comptroller-starts-gofundme-for-gym-owner-fined-15000-for-large-gathering/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBuffaloSteve Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: https://gf.me/u/y94m6q https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/erie-county-comptroller-starts-gofundme-for-gym-owner-fined-15000-for-large-gathering/ Damn. He’s already up to $9k raised in less than 3 hours! Did you catch the owner doing the live interview on Fox News at 7pm? He told his story, held up his $15k fine from Erie County then tore it up on live TV. Poloncarz won’t be none to happy about this guy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBuffaloSteve Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Luke_Mages said: https://gf.me/u/y94m6q https://www.wivb.com/news/local-news/erie-county-comptroller-starts-gofundme-for-gym-owner-fined-15000-for-large-gathering/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthBuffaloSteve Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 It’s like a never ending dream... Dont be a turkey... Wear a mask... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: It’s like a never ending dream... Dont be a turkey... Wear a mask... I'm getting mixed messages from this mask. "Don't be a turkey." But...the turkey is on the mask...so if I wear the mask, won't I be a turkey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 11 hours ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said: Damn. He’s already up to $9k raised in less than 3 hours! Did you catch the owner doing the live interview on Fox News at 7pm? He told his story, held up his $15k fine from Erie County then tore it up on live TV. Poloncarz won’t be none to happy about this guy! Now $20k in 12 hours. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 Moderna’s coronavirus vaccine may not get life back to normal right away because it hasn’t yet been proven to prevent the deadly bug from spreading, the company’s top doctor says. Research has shown that the biotech firm’s shot is effective at preventing people from getting sick with COVID-19, but there’s no hard evidence that it stops them from carrying the virus “transiently” and potentially infecting others who haven’t been vaccinated, according to Dr. Tal Zaks, Moderna’s chief medical officer. “I think we need to be careful, as we get vaccinated, not to over-interpret the results,” Zaks told Axios in a TV interview released Monday. “When we start the deployment of this vaccine, we will not have sufficient concrete data to prove that this vaccine reduces transmission.” “Do I believe that it reduces transmission? Absolutely yes, and I say this because of the science,” he added. “But absent proof, I think it’s important that we don’t change behaviors solely on the basis of vaccination.” Zaks’ comments offer another sign that it will take time for a vaccine to bring an end to the global pandemic and help the economy recover even though drugmakers are working at a breakneck pace to produce a safe and effective inoculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 32 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: Now $20k in 12 hours. When it comes down to it, many Americans love our rights to free enterprise...and it is something I love about our country. The ability to support one another through our businesses is such a fantastic thing. I wish there were some who understood that these local business owners are grasping at straws to stay afloat. One political part of Covid that is really boosting the Socialist agenda is the push to control these businesses. I fear that the next couple of years could see a demise of the amazing free enterprise that has shaped American culture and communities. This raising money for him is proof that many people do not want that to happen. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: When it comes down to it, many Americans love our rights to free enterprise...and it is something I love about our country. The ability to support one another through our businesses is such a fantastic thing. I wish there were some who understood that these local business owners are grasping at straws to stay afloat. One political part of Covid that is really boosting the Socialist agenda is the push to control these businesses. I fear that the next couple of years could see a demise of the amazing free enterprise that has shaped American culture and communities. This raising money for him is proof that many people do not want that to happen. Police departments, fire departments, medicaid, medicare, social security, NOAA are all socialized programs. The American people don't understand what socialism is. It's a tool used by the republicans to get votes, and it works tremendously. As soon as the word socialism is brought up, peoples minds think of Putin and Kim Jon(communism), but it is nothing of the sort. For instance, I believe medical insurance is a human right and it should not be tied to a job that is "at will" employment that can fire you tomorrow and you lose it. We should never have the fear that we're one bad day away from bankruptcy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WNash Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: When it comes down to it, many Americans love our rights to free enterprise...and it is something I love about our country. The ability to support one another through our businesses is such a fantastic thing. I wish there were some who understood that these local business owners are grasping at straws to stay afloat. One political part of Covid that is really boosting the Socialist agenda is the push to control these businesses. I fear that the next couple of years could see a demise of the amazing free enterprise that has shaped American culture and communities. This raising money for him is proof that many people do not want that to happen. This argument just lost an election, but go off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 "Their vision for America is socialism," Haley said. "And we know that socialism has failed everywhere." RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel said, "Democrats have chosen to go down the road to socialism." The "S" word is a charge Republicans have leveled against Democrats for decades, says Thomas Alan Schwartz, a Vanderbilt University history and political science professor. "Democrats have tended, through regulation and other ways, to be more empowering of the federal government and in regulating the economy than the Republicans," Schwartz says, "and this has been called socialism." Schwartz says the term socialism actually refers to a political system in which the state is in charge of the economy and provides not only social welfare services such as health care, but where "all sorts of other things are in state control, including the large sections of the private economy." In 1945, when President Harry Truman, a Democrat, first proposed a national health insurance program, which evolved to what we now know as Medicare, Republicans opposed it, arguing it was socialist. And earlier New Deal programs, including Social Security, were similarly labeled. Now Republicans are trying to hang two Democratic proposals, the Green New Deal and "Medicare for All," on Biden, even though he supports neither, and has established a long political record as a moderate and pragmatist. And while Sanders and "Squad" members Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Rashida Tlaib identify as Democratic Socialists, their vision is more aligned with Scandinavian nations such as Denmark and Sweden, where universal health care and a wide range of social benefits — and higher taxes — are the norm, but capitalism still prevails, rather than with countries such as Venezuela and Cuba, where the state does control major industries, and authoritarians rule. Republicans level the socialist charge possibly in an effort to scare voters into opposing the Democratic ticket and supporting their candidate, but Schwartz says he doesn't think it's that frightening a label anymore. "Clearly the ways in which socialist was a dirty word during the Cold War have declined considerably," he says. "The fact that Bernie Sanders could mount such a challenge and be so strong despite being a self-professed socialist, I think does show that socialism doesn't scare many American voters anymore." Ironically, President Trump and Republicans in Congress have themselves blurred the lines between capitalism and socialism, passing the CARES Act to aid businesses and providing $600 payments to unemployed workers in the coronavirus pandemic. Trump has also opened federal coffers to rescue farmers who have been hurt by his trade disputes with China and other nations. "President Trump," Schwartz says, "is very fond of using the government and being willing to spend money and do things that might be, in another context, considered socialist." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 minute ago, wxtrix said: yes, trying to control disease spread in a pandemic is socialism. yes, indeed. Oh my word, shut up. I didn't say anything about not being cautious with Covid. Calm your panties. You and wolfie can go hang out with your loves, Mr. Cuomo and Pelosi, with 5 masks on and 50 feet apart for Thanksgiving. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are ignorant and don't know that I am not a raging Republican. I prefer to look at things in BALANCE. You should give it a try. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, Luke_Mages said: Now $20k in 12 hours. These small gyms are the ones really hurting. One go fund me isn't the answer. I see us staying in orange well into the new year. Hopefully a new PPP package gets passed in early December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 So, I say I love our country because of small business support and you all get all riled up?? lol... Ok, New Yorkers. Maybe you're oblivious to how your own state government runs off anybody who tries to support a local business here. Nahhh, nothing to do with the raging liberals here. I completely support looking out for employees where businesses...especially CORPORATE America...needs some control, as they totally take advantage and dispose of people like they're trash..it disgusts me...which is one of many reasons I will not "stand" with Republicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 25, 2020 Author Share Posted November 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Oh my word, shut up. I didn't say anything about not being cautious with Covid. Calm your panties. You and wolfie can go hang out with your loves, Mr. Cuomo and Pelosi, with 5 masks on and 50 feet apart for Thanksgiving. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you are ignorant and don't know that I am not a raging Republican. I prefer to look at things in BALANCE. You should give it a try. Lol I'm not allowed to have an opinion? GTFO with that shit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 I will say I am thankful to live in a community where the local New Yorkers truly care about their small businesses and support them in many wise and safe ways. Baldwinsville has lots of community support and pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Lol I'm not allowed to have an opinion? GTFO with that shit.. Oh, of course you can have an opinion. I was just pointing out that it's akin to having a crush... lol... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 @wolfie09, the article about the Trump passing the CARES Act as socialism is humorous. These are extreme circumstances and he most certainly needed to help people. I can't imagine the Democrat response if he hadn't done anything. Biden "may be a moderate' but his Vice Presidential Elect certainly is not. Let's be real...Biden isn't going to be calling the shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 53 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Police departments, fire departments, medicaid, medicare, social security, NOAA are all socialized programs. The American people don't understand what socialism is. It's a tool used by the republicans to get votes, and it works tremendously. As soon as the word socialism is brought up, peoples minds think of Putin and Kim Jon(communism), but it is nothing of the sort. For instance, I believe medical insurance is a human right and it should not be tied to a job that is "at will" employment that can fire you tomorrow and you lose it. We should never have the fear that we're one bad day away from bankruptcy. Good point. I am not condoning business owners stand around with their guns and anti-mask signs...I do, however, condone the SPIRIT of supporting one another financially and through services (however that may be). As mentioned, I love how people in my community wisely do that. As I always mention, it's about balance...and that's the true battle going on right now - how to stay open and stay afloat while following regulations. Even with all the support, I am saddened to see businesses closing down around here this past year. My heart is truly for people...not "what can I get out of it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 30 minutes ago, wxtrix said: the gym was shut down because of covid. it has nothing to do with socialism. I see your point. Using this dude was a horrible example of what I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 Just now, wxtrix said: this is both dumb and not related to covid. Not dumb - Wolfie pasted a report in discussion about Biden and Trump...and their "connections" to Socialism and I responded. I am stepping out because I got involved in something that I hate talking about and try to avoid - politics - because it often goes nowhere. My apologies to all for getting involved and filling this thread with crap. I can only control myself and how I can help support others. I am not a policies person anyways. I am a relational guy...hence why I teach! Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 2200 deaths yesterday. Hospitals are starting to hit capacity in hardest hit states. I think in 5 years from now when we have accurate data of excess deaths I would think around 5 million people die from Covid, the worst since 1919. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said: These small gyms are the ones really hurting. One go fund me isn't the answer. I see us staying in orange well into the new year. Hopefully a new PPP package gets passed in early December. Looks like they’re going to use the money to fight the shutdown for gyms, not pay the fine. I think it’s a start, and I don’t see why gyms are being singled out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, TugHillMatt said: @wolfie09, the article about the Trump passing the CARES Act as socialism is humorous. These are extreme circumstances and he most certainly needed to help people. I can't imagine the Democrat response if he hadn't done anything. Biden "may be a moderate' but his Vice Presidential Elect certainly is not. Let's be real...Biden isn't going to be calling the shots. Scary black lady is coming to get ya 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 3 minutes ago, the ghost of leroy said: Scary black lady is coming to get ya "Unzips large safety ball"...Perhaps..."zips up ball and huddles" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 1 hour ago, wxtrix said: this is both dumb and not related to covid. You made numerous similar posts in the Mid Atlantic and New England covid sub forums. Perhaps you should apply to be a mod so you can censor what is being discussed??? Better yet, perhaps you should start your own online message board. Then you will be able to control everything that is "said"........of course you will likely end up being the only member of your message board........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 42 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: Looks like they’re going to use the money to fight the shutdown for gyms, not pay the fine. I think it’s a start, and I don’t see why gyms are being singled out. Because many gyms are filthy........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 25, 2020 Share Posted November 25, 2020 36 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: Because many gyms are filthy........ Proof of said filthiness? The dirtiest gyms I’ve been in are still way cleaner than any Walmart or Tops. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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