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6 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

First night of lockdowns

 

Orchard Park, NY – 100+ local business owners had enough. Erie County Sheriff’s Office escorted the Erie County Health Department into Athlete’s Unleashed, a local fitness center in an attempt to breakup a meeting. 

Gym owner Robby Dinero, organized a meeting of local business owners to discuss how to survive the increased New York State lockdown restrictions. About 20 minutes into the meeting, the Health Department showed up demanding to shutdown the meeting.

Business owners weren’t having it and stood their ground. Business owners immediately rebuttled and notified them they walked into the windowless closed and private business, without permission and ordered them to provide a warrant, or leave. 

After about 3 minutes of heated discussion and refusing to leave, owners united and stood their ground. Then proceeded to tell them they were trespassing and to leave immediately to avoid legal action. Owners then began chanting “Get Out” and directed them to the door.

“We are struggling. Our livelihoods have been taken. Our income has been controlled. Our freedoms have been taken away and many of us are about to lose everything we’ve worked for and they want us to sit there and not stand up?” said one business owner who wanted to remain anonymous.
 

 

Once outside, the officials were notified they were on private property and ordered to leave the entire premises. 

New York State Governor Cuomo, recently named Erie County a micro-cluster orange zone, which forced gym owners, salons and high risk non-essential business to shut down and restaurants to cease indoor dining.

Libertarian Candidate Duane Whitmer, spoke to Erie County Sheriff Howard immediately after, who stated he had no knowledge his deputies were showing up and had not instructed them to. 

Howard recently told media, he had no plans to have his Sheriffs enforce Cuomo’s ban on gatherings. 

The meeting was combined of business owners from all political parties, races and industries. 

Dinero, is a former US Marine, who made news when he defied shutdown orders back in March.

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So yesterday we hit 200k cases in a single day with 2k deaths and no one is talking about it. It's truly sad that we are living in US right now. Toronto, Canada has 1.4 million population and their cases/death are much lower than Buffalo/Rochester region and they are going in full lockdown. They announced it recently so why can't we do the same. United states are a ****ing JOKE, we need to do nationwide lockdown ASAP or it will be too late. 

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NEWARK, New Jersey (WABC) -- Newark Mayor Ras Baraka has told residents he will be issuing a 10-day stay-at-home advisory starting the day before Thanksgiving, advising "everybody close down" and get tested during that holiday period.

The city will also close streets into the hard-hit Ironbound District to non-residents at 8 p.m. to 3 a.m. -- in the zip code 07105 -- Friday and Saturday to enforce an existing curfew.

"We are advising all stores non essential, also the corner stores too, everybody close down," Baraka said. "Not just the stores. Workplaces, barber shops, beauty parlors, gyms, everything shut down from Wednesday, November 25 to December 4. We are giving you a chance to prepare. November 25 to December 4, we are asking everything to be shut down. Shut it all down...And during that period, we are asking everyone to get tested. You should (go) outside only if you are getting tested, only if you need groceries, Pampers, milk, medicine, and if you are get tested. Other than that, we have a stay-at-home advisory from Wednesday the 25 to December 4. All of us, we need to do this."

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8 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

NEWARK, New Jersey (WABC) -- Newark Mayor Ras Baraka has told residents he will be issuing a 10-day stay-at-home advisory starting the day before Thanksgiving, advising "everybody close down" and get tested during that holiday period.

The city will also close streets into the hard-hit Ironbound District to non-residents at 8 p.m. to 3 a.m. -- in the zip code 07105 -- Friday and Saturday to enforce an existing curfew.

"We are advising all stores non essential, also the corner stores too, everybody close down," Baraka said. "Not just the stores. Workplaces, barber shops, beauty parlors, gyms, everything shut down from Wednesday, November 25 to December 4. We are giving you a chance to prepare. November 25 to December 4, we are asking everything to be shut down. Shut it all down...And during that period, we are asking everyone to get tested. You should (go) outside only if you are getting tested, only if you need groceries, Pampers, milk, medicine, and if you are get tested. Other than that, we have a stay-at-home advisory from Wednesday the 25 to December 4. All of us, we need to do this."

Wow, we're definitely going red on Wednesday.

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3 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Hoping we have a similar recovery next year. 

When a single case pops up, China tests every person in that city. Positive tests are required to isolate, and are monitored for the quarantine period, with severe penalties for non-compliance. It’s undeniably effective, but it’s not something that people in western countries, which political traditions that elevate personal liberty over obligations to society (to greater or lesser degrees, depending on the country). Countries that have more restrictions also tend to have governments that provide direct support to people who are inevitably economically harmed by both outbreaks and shutdowns. The US has opted to pursue an approach with fewer restrictions, more outbreaks, and less assistance to individuals.

Extreme restrictions and mass testing have allowed China to largely resume business as usual. Our government does not have that degree of power to compel its citizens to behave in certain ways, so we have the individual freedom to do things that increase both our personal risks and the risks to others on our communities. So I don’t think we will have that sort of turnaround until we have either an effective vaccination program or sufficient cases that we get true herd immunity. (Though the risk of the “let it run its course” approach, unlike an ongoing vaccination system, is that fading natural immune response and viral mutations ignite another pandemic.)

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2 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Wow, we're definitely going red on Wednesday.

Ironbound is a pretty awesome historical Portuguese neighborhood in the eastern part of Newark, with traditional bars and restaurants that people visit from all over the NY/NJ region. Sad to hear that it’s the locus of an outbreak.

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18 hours ago, wolfie09 said:

Hey man I understand your gripe lol I'm obviously a little different since I grew up in NYC and have a slight connection to the cuomo family.. Everyone is allowed to have their opinion and I respect it!!

At least his dad, for his flaws, cared about regular people. Andrew Cuomo represents one group of elites who are hated by another group of elites. Both groups of elites have support from regular people who think you only get two choices, but never fool yourself into thinking that any of them give a damn about us. Cuomo’s nursing home regulations were directly responsible for many deaths of vulnerable people, and for numerous employees of homes. It’s unforgivable and minimally the consequences should be that he leaves office in disgrace.

 

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7 hours ago, WNash said:

Ironbound is a pretty awesome historical Portuguese neighborhood in the eastern part of Newark, with traditional bars and restaurants that people visit from all over the NY/NJ region. Sad to hear that it’s the locus of an outbreak.

Looks like I was right about the early voting in Hamburg. A crowded hallway with a line that ran through the entire building, no one was social distancing. Most had a mask, but few wore it correctly.

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/hamburg-supervisor-suspects-early-voting-a-super-spreader-for-towns-covid-19-surge/article_25e2baea-2c3e-11eb-97a5-17bd5b37dc1f.html

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30 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Are you in Patrol Services? I think you mentioned you were assigned to a precinct. I’m curious to know if patrol officers are being given specific orders on enforcement of pandemic regulations, or if it’s just another case of politicians leaving cops guessing about what their role is assumed to be.

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6 minutes ago, brentrich said:

First vaccine on December 11th possible 

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/coronavirus-pandemic-11-22-20-intl/h_64000007df71a4acd98c40f22818fa09

 

I believe it's going to be too late since almost everybody will have COVID by then so pretty much pointless to have vaccine then. 

Really? Lol

If we Avg 200k a day until then it's 4 million cases, we have 330 million people in the country lol Over 7 billion people on the planet, need to get over your dooms day fetish lol

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Soooo, how about that Cuomo conference today? I don't know how anybody who hates Trump could love Cuomo....they're both pompous, loud-mouthed men who talk down to people. If you love one and not the other, it's strictly based on your political convictions...at least in my opinion.

I did agree, and appreciate, Cuomo making sure to stress that the local government has the power and responsibility to try and control the rates and spread (in the yellow zone), while the state will step in once an area passes 3%. Now, there can be debate on what threshold 3% or 6% or whatever dictates state government stepping in...but 3% is our state's number. It seems like a more respectful way on giving "some power" to the people instead of just stepping in like some state governments and just shutting everything down. We've already seen that with the whole "every school in the yellow zone must test 20% weekly" thing where it has loosened up because results/stats have showed very low numbers in the schools. Now it's every 2 weeks, and that can still change based on numbers.

I feel that this conference was a HUGE warning that he will not hesitate to shut everything down (he didn't say that at all in those words) but kept referring to "if we continue at this rate, this place will be orange and that red, etc..." which, in other words, "shut 'er down!" He seemed to imply it was inevitable with all the visiting that will be happening over the Holidays....but still hasn't given any orders.

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1 hour ago, SouthBuffaloSteve said:

This is interesting...

So Erie County includes the POSITIVE tests from UB in their daily numbers, but does not include any of the NEGATIVES?  Ehhh... UB can’t be testing that many students and faculty right?

 

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And you can no longer get tested unless you have symptoms. Further moving the % positive upward. 

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I want some answers on what the state of our contact tracing program is!  Buffalo News article on people waiting 7 days to get their positive results back.  
 

https://buffalonews.com/news/local/shortage-of-contact-tracers-means-some-wait-days-to-learn-they-are-positive-for-covid/article_9855fd6a-2a83-11eb-96c2-2ff2b10561f9.html
 

One of the initial NY Forward metrics was for the region to have an established contact tracing team.  30 tracers per 100,000 population.  That would be 338 tracers just for Erie County and 521 total for WNY.   300 tracers at 600 total positives a day... the tracers daily workload would be 2 cases.  Can’t see how you get backed up 7 days at that pace.  
 

 

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