BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 14 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: If we seceded we’d be the poorest state in the nation for our population size. NYC completely props us up and funds the dying upstate rust belt. Monroe county is one of the poorest counties in the nation for its size. Erie and Onondaga are the other two biggest counties and all three run massive deficits every single year (and we are the “good” counties upstate). We get a hell of a lot more money and resources from NYC than they get from us. I’m always shocked this isn’t obvious. Seceding would be absolute suicide for upstate. NY always has a deficit because of the insane lifelong pensions we give to government/state employees. I see people come in my office with those pensions all the time. Its INSANE what these people get after 20 years of working. No other state is even close to what New York gives out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 That's like saying if Biden didn't have NYC, Detroit, LA, Philly, Atlanta, Vegas etc he wouldn't of won lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: If we split it up like Maine and Nebraska upstate would be worth a point or two..(obviously joking) lol Counties like Westchester are in NY STATE not NYC so you couldn't just segregate them lol If you look at the 2018 election cuomo would of still come mighty close to winning even without NYC because all the population centers in upstate side blue.. He took home wins in 13 of the state's 15 most populous counties, including each of the city's five boroughs; Erie (home to Buffalo), Monroe (home to Rochester), Onondaga (home to Syracuse) and Albany; and the four major suburban counties of Westchester, Rockland, Nassau and Suffolk. That will change with how he handled the pandemic. Many people I know who voted for him are changing their minds. I guess we will see in 2022. Lifetime appointments should never be a thing, but that's another discussion. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 ^^^ I gotcha BW but we all know it will come down to NYC lol In 2018 he won something like 1.3 million more votes, if that happens in 2022 than I don't see how he losses lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I got in a discussion with someone on facebook about NYS budget about it being a "welfare state". 70% of NYS budget goes to Healthcare, Education, and Pensions. 5% goes towards socialized programs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 I read an article yesterday that showed trump would of won Michigan by 150k votes if it wasn't for Detroit.. Every state would be red if we left out the population centers lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 PA is another good example, Biden won by only 80k votes but he received over 80% of 750k votes in Philadelphia, That's all that was needed even though trump won 40 more counties lol BTW GA is expected to certify state results today and MI/PA on Monday, if all goes according to plan that gives Biden 270+without Wi, Ari and NV.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Much of Upstate New York is partially poor because of low pay and ridiculous taxes...which the state government doesn't do much to help with. NYC, Albany, and Cuomo rob Upstate New York..they are part of the problem. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: Much of Upstate New York is partially poor because of low pay and ridiculous taxes...which the state government doesn't do much to help with. NYC, Albany, and Cuomo rob Upstate New York..they are part of the problem. All blue states. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Ny has the 4 highest min wage (2021) and many of the states on that list do..Look at PA, $7.25 hour..lol https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/minimum-wage-by-state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Come on guys....there's a reason everybody's leaving this state... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Real estate is dirt cheap in NY state lol Go look at Nyc, Nj, Ct ,Ma etc lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Once again it's hard to separate NYC and NY state.. . In fact, a study done by Bloomberg Magazine has found that around 300 people choose to move out of New York City every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 5 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: Real estate is dirt cheap in NY state lol Go look at Nyc, Nj, Ct ,Ma etc lol Ma real estate is insane. And the bidding wars on available homes is completely out of control. People are going way above asking price. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 A breakdown of the data by the real estate blog roofline.com reveals that the median property taxes paid last year by New York City residents was $5,633 compared to the national median of $2,578. Residents of three cities had stiffer tax bills: Elizabeth, N.J. (nearly $9,000); San Francisco ($7,678); and Austin, Tex., ($6,616). Adding to the sting was the Trump administration’s tax bill, which, beginning in 2018, began limiting the amount of state and local taxes that can be deducted against federal income taxes. As a result, living in expensive, high-tax states such as New York, New Jersey and Illinois became even more expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Look at nj for example, 1100 for a studio and they have a lower minimum wage..I'm renting a 3BD apartment for$899 lol Houses for rent in NJ are like 2500+ a month.. Studio apartments in New Jersey have a median of $1,084 per month, according to 2019 data from Apartment List. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Just now, wolfie09 said: Look at nj for example, 1100 for a studio and they have a lower minimum wage..I'm renting a 3BD apartment for$899 lol Houses for rent in NJ are like 2500+ a month.. Studio apartments in New Jersey have a median of $1,084 per month, according to 2019 data from Apartment List. In most of MA you can't rent a tent for $899 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 The Northeast is most expensive place in the US. My buddy bought a huge house in Austin for 300k. It would be more expensive here, and double the taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 Once again NYC is skewing the mean lol I need to make 91k a year to own a home? News to me lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 The average rent for an apartment in Manhattan is $4,208, a 2% increase compared to the previous year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 20, 2020 Author Share Posted November 20, 2020 At the start of 2020, the median home price in NYC was around $624,000. At present, the typical home value of homes in New York City is $632,271. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Houses around here are getting pretty expensive. I believe the median home price in Erie County is around 200k. Average property tax is $4-7k in that range. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: The Northeast is most expensive place in the US. My buddy bought a huge house in Austin for 300k. It would be more expensive here, and double the taxes. The $1173 for MA is off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TugHillMatt Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 hour ago, wolfie09 said: Look at nj for example, 1100 for a studio and they have a lower minimum wage..I'm renting a 3BD apartment for$899 lol Houses for rent in NJ are like 2500+ a month.. Studio apartments in New Jersey have a median of $1,084 per month, according to 2019 data from Apartment List. You live in rural areas. Any towns doing well in Upstate have ridiculous prices...it adds to class structure issues. In Baldwinsville, many apartments are 1100 t0 1700 A MONTH unless you get a dumpy place or can apply for assistance. Otherwise it's just another screw-job to those of us in the middle class who can't afford ridiculous monthly rents or mortgages...we get paid "too much" for assistance, but don't make enough to live among the wealthy. I believe it's a HUGE reason people are moving out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: The $1173 for MA is off. Yeah I think this data is old. The average there is likely $1500+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: You live in rural areas. Any towns doing well in Upstate have ridiculous prices...it adds to class structure issues. In Baldwinsville, many apartments are 1100 t0 1700 A MONTH unless you get a dumpy place or can apply for assistance. Otherwise it's just another screw-job to those of us in the middle class who can't afford ridiculous monthly rents or mortgages...we get paid "too much" for assistance, but don't make enough to live among the wealthy. I believe it's a HUGE reason people are moving out. Yeah the average home price in Hamburg is $200-300k. Go in the city and its less. The suburbs around here are exploding in prices. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Just now, BuffaloWeather said: Yeah I think this data is old. The average there is likely $1500+? Home prices have risen so fast that it has driven the cost to rent an apartment to record highs. I think it is likely over $1500. A good rental place in my area is at least 2 K. And that may or may not include parking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 You have to adjust for average wages in area. People in NY and MA make more money than people in most states. Sure its cheap to leave Mississippi but do you think the jobs or wages or schools are particularly good there? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cny rider Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 3 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said: NY always has a deficit because of the insane lifelong pensions we give to government/state employees. I see people come in my office with those pensions all the time. Its INSANE what these people get after 20 years of working. No other state is even close to what New York gives out. NY never has a deficit, because states can't run budget deficits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cny rider Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 46 minutes ago, TugHillMatt said: You live in rural areas. Any towns doing well in Upstate have ridiculous prices...it adds to class structure issues. In Baldwinsville, many apartments are 1100 t0 1700 A MONTH unless you get a dumpy place or can apply for assistance. Otherwise it's just another screw-job to those of us in the middle class who can't afford ridiculous monthly rents or mortgages...we get paid "too much" for assistance, but don't make enough to live among the wealthy. I believe it's a HUGE reason people are moving out. How else would you allocate a desired resource, like nice apartments, if not by price? Serious question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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