DeltaT13 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: I don't know about nationally but locally hospitals continue to operate deep in the red and will be making even more cuts to staffing. Volume is down almost half. You’re talking about too different things. Just because they aren’t making money doesn’t mean they have the staff or supplies to handle a pandemic size load of sick covid patients. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: You’re talking about too different things. Just because they aren’t making money doesn’t mean they have the staff or supplies to handle a pandemic size load of sick covid patients. No I'm not...I'm telling you that locally they're nowhere near overwhelmed. They are even shutting down another 200 bed hospital. If beds were needed they'd keep it open. Look what happened in NYC, they never even needed the USNS Comfort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winter_rules Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: I don't know about nationally but locally hospitals continue to operate deep in the red and will be making even more cuts to staffing. Volume is down almost half. That’s interesting in itself, outside of COVID. Where did all these people go who would otherwise “need” healthcare in any other year? Have the heart attack and stroke deaths increased significantly this year because people are afraid to go to a hospital? That was a discussion back in the spring but I haven’t heard anything since then. Elective surgeries must be way down, too. Hmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, winter_rules said: That’s interesting in itself, outside of COVID. Where did all these people go who would otherwise “need” healthcare in any other year? Have the heart attack and stroke deaths increased significantly this year because people are afraid to go to a hospital? That was a discussion back in the spring but I haven’t heard anything since then. Elective surgeries must be way down, too. Hmmm..... Electives are in the tank because people are scared. Plus with more people staying home there are fewer trauma surgeries to treat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: Electives are in the tank because people are scared. Plus with more people staying home there are fewer trauma surgeries to treat. 60% of patients in El Paso hospitals are in ICUS due to Covid, that's pretty incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: 60% of patients in El Paso hospitals are in ICUS due to Covid, that's pretty incredible. That could be a deceiving number. If the hospital has 50 ICU beds and only 10 patients, 6 of which are in the ICU, then there is no issue. (This is 60% of patients in ICU) This actually exaggerates the cashflow issue. We need total census numbers to say whether there's an issue with them being at 60% or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 Pa looks to have finally finished counting mail-in ballots, some provisional ballots are possible though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cny rider Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 43 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: That could be a deceiving number. If the hospital has 50 ICU beds and only 10 patients, 6 of which are in the ICU, then there is no issue. (This is 60% of patients in ICU) This actually exaggerates the cashflow issue. We need total census numbers to say whether there's an issue with them being at 60% or not. An underlying concern for state officials is the pressure on Minnesota hospitals. State health officials have warned of dire capacity levels statewide in terms of the number of available intensive-care beds, saying this week that they were at 90 to 95 percent capacity. In the Twin Cities, just 22 ICU beds were available — statistics that Walz described as “catastrophic.” Hospitals and the state are trading information hour by hour on capacity restraints and how to move patients. Officials are beginning to enlist retired health-care workers to help in what could be a nightmarish scenario in coming weeks. AD Case counts are skyrocketing throughout the Midwest, with Illinois reporting 12,702 cases Thursday, a record, and Kansas reporting two record-high case counts this week. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-midwest/2020/11/12/90508b72-250f-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Luke_Mages said: That could be a deceiving number. If the hospital has 50 ICU beds and only 10 patients, 6 of which are in the ICU, then there is no issue. (This is 60% of patients in ICU) This actually exaggerates the cashflow issue. We need total census numbers to say whether there's an issue with them being at 60% or not. This is true but hospitalizations are dramatically rising. We are already above our max in April/May nationwide despite far better treatment and understanding of the virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, cny rider said: An underlying concern for state officials is the pressure on Minnesota hospitals. State health officials have warned of dire capacity levels statewide in terms of the number of available intensive-care beds, saying this week that they were at 90 to 95 percent capacity. In the Twin Cities, just 22 ICU beds were available — statistics that Walz described as “catastrophic.” Hospitals and the state are trading information hour by hour on capacity restraints and how to move patients. Officials are beginning to enlist retired health-care workers to help in what could be a nightmarish scenario in coming weeks. AD Case counts are skyrocketing throughout the Midwest, with Illinois reporting 12,702 cases Thursday, a record, and Kansas reporting two record-high case counts this week. https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/coronavirus-midwest/2020/11/12/90508b72-250f-11eb-952e-0c475972cfc0_story.html I guess it depends on where you get your news...this article from a minnesota based paper makes it sound like theyre just now starting to reduce elective surgeries. If they're doing electives they're certainly not overrun w covid. https://www.startribune.com/record-7-228-new-covid-19-cases-reported-in-minnesota/573055191/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 1 hour ago, Luke_Mages said: That could be a deceiving number. If the hospital has 50 ICU beds and only 10 patients, 6 of which are in the ICU, then there is no issue. (This is 60% of patients in ICU) This actually exaggerates the cashflow issue. We need total census numbers to say whether there's an issue with them being at 60% or not. It's a not a deceiving number. There's over 300 patients in the ICU and over 1100 in the hospital from COVID in El Paso County. That's per capita just slightly higher than the NYC rate in April. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Given the hospitalizations are about the same level as early April as still rapidly increasing, it's not surprising that localized areas are having capacity issues. Especially given that there is not an equal distribution of covid infections and health care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: It's a not a deceiving number. There's over 300 patients in the ICU and over 1100 in the hospital from COVID in El Paso County. That's per capita just slightly higher than the NYC rate in April. Still means nothing without knowing capacity. For example, NYC never reached capacity, hence the reason USNS Comfort went unused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, Luke_Mages said: Still means nothing without knowing capacity. For example, NYC never reached capacity, hence the reason USNS Comfort went unused. Capacity means more than just physical beds. Capacity was reached in NYC. Doctors and nurses there were overwhelmed and had to care for far more patients than is ideal. Did you forget they sent patients back into nursing homes rather than using the comfort? It's one of the reasons the IFR there was a bit inflated compared to elsewhere. https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/el-paso-county-judge-extends-stay-at-home-order-until-dec-1-as-covid-19-cases-hospitalizations-climb/ State health and emergency management agencies have deployed more than 1,350 medical workers to the El Paso area, the governor’s office shared Wednesday. An alternate care site set up last month will expand from 65 to 100 beds by Friday. The new resources are in addition to three Air Force medical specialty teams deployed by the Department of Defense last week and six Auxiliary Medical Units from the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, OSUmetstud said: Capacity means more than just physical beds. Capacity was reached in NYC. Doctors and nurses there were overwhelmed and had to care for far more patients than is ideal. Did you forget they sent patients back into nursing homes rather than using the comfort? It's one of the reasons the IFR there was a bit inflated compared to elsewhere. https://www.kxan.com/news/coronavirus/el-paso-county-judge-extends-stay-at-home-order-until-dec-1-as-covid-19-cases-hospitalizations-climb/ State health and emergency management agencies have deployed more than 1,350 medical workers to the El Paso area, the governor’s office shared Wednesday. An alternate care site set up last month will expand from 65 to 100 beds by Friday. The new resources are in addition to three Air Force medical specialty teams deployed by the Department of Defense last week and six Auxiliary Medical Units from the state. The IFR there was inflated due to it being ground 0 and people being intubated that shouldn't have been. It was before they learned how the virus was causing hypoxia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Just now, Luke_Mages said: The IFR there was inflated due to it being ground 0 and people being intubated that shouldn't have been. It was before they learned how the virus was causing hypoxia. Yeah, that too, but capacity issues contributed. Sounds like things are peachy and completely under control in El Paso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wolfie09 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 As President Donald Trump seeks to discredit last week's election with baseless claims of voter fraud, his team has bombarded his supporters with requests for money to help pay for legal challenges to the results: “The Left will try to STEAL this election!” reads one text. But any small-dollar donations from Trump's grassroots donors won't be going to legal expenses at all, according to a Reuters review of the legal language in the solicitations. A donor would have to give more than $8,000 before any money goes to the "recount account" established to finance election challenges, including recounts and lawsuits over alleged improprieties, the fundraising disclosures show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 He's using his own people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 lol @wolfie09 Rapid fire political articles. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Trumps only path of victory is to prove that dominion software system somehow changed votes either deliberately or an error in the system. The voting gaps are far too large. Any updates on that wolf? Could mail in ballots be stolen from mailboxes, voted on and mailed back in? Is there any verification process for that? Obviously stealing from someones mailbox is a felony and if it did happen would be extremely rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 I have yet to see them bring it up in court or any sort of lawsuit do to it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Trumps only path of victory is to prove that dominion software system somehow changed votes either deliberately or an error in the system. The voting gaps are far too large. Any updates on that wolf? Could mail in ballots be stolen from mailboxes, voted on and mailed back in? Is there any verification process for that? Obviously stealing from someones mailbox is a felony and if it did happen would be extremely rare. Muahaha lol https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-a-data-security-expert-fears-u-s-voting-will-be-hacked-11587747159 Ya I think “IF” anything comes of Trumps lawsuits this would be the most plausible Avenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 It all started due to a glitch in 1 county in Michigan.. Election officials say it was human error not computer software. "Michigan's elections were conducted fairly, effectively and transparently and are an accurate reflection of the will of Michigan voters," she said in a statement. "The erroneous reporting of unofficial results from Antrim County was a result of accidental error on the part of the Antrim County Clerk. The equipment and software did not malfunction and all ballots were properly tabulated. However, the clerk accidentally did not update the software used to collect voting machine data and report unofficial results." "The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error. Even when human error occurs, it is caught during county canvasses," the statement added. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I mean if Russia got him elected in 2016 I’m sure China could get Biden elected in 2020 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted November 13, 2020 Author Share Posted November 13, 2020 Without PA trump can't win..He better think of something fast lol Not that a recount would of changed the results anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: I mean if Russia got him elected in 2016 I’m sure China could get Biden elected in 2020 Everyone wants cheap stuff. There is no way to do it via everything made in America. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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