MJO812 Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 +296 deaths for NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Walked outside earlier and seen an osprey dive bomb my pond It was a pretty cool site, fast and loud lol I wish I had the camera rolling.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Most of Italy is back to normal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 'The new normal': Ex-FDA chief warns U.S. may not be able to lower coronavirus infection rate "The most likely scenario is that cases go up, not down," Gottlieb said. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/new-normal-ex-fda-chief-warns-u-s-may-not-n1200146?cid=sm_npd_nn_fb_ma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Luke_Mages said: I wouldn't call $13B over two years a massive bailout. Farmers are doing just fine. I'll gladly pay a little more for something made in america than something made in china, now more than ever. Why should china get away with charging a 25% tariff on cars manufactured here when we only charge 2.5% on cars imported here? You ever hear of eastman and westman? Eastman is right here in Buffalo. Westman china. They both made these... Well that's where we disagree. 13 Billion dollars (and its closer to 30 Billion at the current time) is absolutely a massive amount of money. Our brains are just wildly desensitized in light of recent events. 13 Billion dollars is enough to help 100's of struggling schools, fix flints water problem 20 times over, fund federal science and research programs for years or decades, etc. It's amazing how that money wasn't needed in the years prior, it's almost as if some sort of ill planned "stunt" caused it........... hmmm 13 Billion dollars of pure SOCIALISM given to a bunch of farmers that don't believe in socialism solely because their idiot leader screwed them over in bad trade deals. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I can't take all this WINNING. LOLz.... just insane that people buy into Trumps bullshit. Worst. Businessman. Ever. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 70+k deaths now in the U.S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: I can't take all this WINNING. LOLz.... just insane that people buy into Trumps bullshit. Worst. Businessman. Ever. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2019/12/31/790261705/farmers-got-billions-from-taxpayers-in-2019-and-hardly-anyone-objected Just remember how we got into this problem with China in the first place - nothing to do with Pres Trump. We wouldn't need a POTUS to stand up to China otherwise. You may disagree with how it's done, but it needs to be done before China literally owns the US. I hope to see more standing up to China over the next 4 years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 20 minutes ago, vortmax said: Just remember how we got into this problem with China in the first place - nothing to do with Pres Trump. We wouldn't need a POTUS to stand up to China otherwise. You may disagree with how it's done, but it needs to be done before China literally owns the US. I hope to see more standing up to China over the next 4 years. I look at china with a far less cynical eye. China in my opinion is in integral part in why America is as strong as it is now. They "took" all of the low skill, low pay jobs, that Americans didnt/shouldnt want or even need (remember the unemployment rate was just recently sub 4%). They do these jobs at pay rates that would be literally impossible to sustain in American dollars and they give us incredibly cheap products allowing us to devour a massive amount of useful products for dirt cheap prices. Furthermore, most of these jobs are and will be automated going forward. The US in the meantime is finding alternative jobs and innovating while China does all the "grunt work". Once automation really rolls through, China will be well behind and face massive job shortages while the US will be cruising along and past the blue collar manufacturing phase of our economic growth. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 13 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: I look at china with a far less cynical eye. China in my opinion is in integral part in why America is as strong as it is now. They "took" all of the low skill, low pay jobs, that Americans didnt/shouldnt want or even need (remember the unemployment rate was just recently sub 4%). They do these jobs at pay rates that would be literally impossible to sustain in American dollars and they give us incredibly cheap products allowing us to devour a massive amount of useful products for dirt cheap prices. Furthermore, most of these jobs are and will be automated going forward. The US in the meantime is finding alternative jobs and innovating while China does all the "grunt work". Once automation really rolls through, China will be well behind and face massive job shortages while the US will be cruising along and past the blue collar manufacturing phase of our economic growth. This is a really good point. Same thing can be said with immigrants doing tasks for very low wages that most Americans want nothing to do with. I see loads of it where my uncle lives in south Florida. Not that I agree that it's right, wages should be based on supply and demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: I look at china with a far less cynical eye. China in my opinion is in integral part in why America is as strong as it is now. They "took" all of the low skill, low pay jobs, that Americans didnt/shouldnt want or even need (remember the unemployment rate was just recently sub 4%). They do these jobs at pay rates that would be literally impossible to sustain in American dollars and they give us incredibly cheap products allowing us to devour a massive amount of useful products for dirt cheap prices. Furthermore, most of these jobs are and will be automated going forward. The US in the meantime is finding alternative jobs and innovating while China does all the "grunt work". Once automation really rolls through, China will be well behind and face massive job shortages while the US will be cruising along and past the blue collar manufacturing phase of our economic growth. Lot of categories here that automation won’t obsolete. Automation will however make universal income a necessity in our lifetimes. As far as China goes it’s about fair trade. China’s labor force is becoming more expensive and they will be forced to try taking away some of these sectors away from the US. That’s why we can’t just roll over and gladly let them charge 20% tariffs and steal our tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: Lot of categories here that automation won’t obsolete. Automation will however make universal income a necessity in our lifetimes. As far as China goes it’s about fair trade. China’s labor force is becoming more expensive and they will be forced to try taking away some of these sectors away from the US. That’s why we can’t just roll over and gladly let them charge 20% tariffs and steal our tech. If China's labor force becomes too expensive we will just find another country to supply cheap labor. (Mexico) This is what capitalism does. It's been going on for centuries. I love watching shark tank and the first thing the sharks say when the cost of manufacturing is too high, they say go to China or Mexico. No one ever mentions opening up facilities in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 A nice page to show what's going on in Russia. Doesn't look too good over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vortmax Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: I look at china with a far less cynical eye. China in my opinion is in integral part in why America is as strong as it is now. They "took" all of the low skill, low pay jobs, that Americans didnt/shouldnt want or even need (remember the unemployment rate was just recently sub 4%). They do these jobs at pay rates that would be literally impossible to sustain in American dollars and they give us incredibly cheap products allowing us to devour a massive amount of useful products for dirt cheap prices. Furthermore, most of these jobs are and will be automated going forward. The US in the meantime is finding alternative jobs and innovating while China does all the "grunt work". Once automation really rolls through, China will be well behind and face massive job shortages while the US will be cruising along and past the blue collar manufacturing phase of our economic growth. The automation/tech piece is really interesting, I'm sure China has a 'plan' for that, unless they slow-play it on purpose. Curious. I agree with the low-end manufacturing jobs, but they will eventually try to get the higher-end stuff. Also, I'm concerned about how much they own our businesses, shares, bonds, treasury notes, etc. Many of us here probably have China owning 30-40% of our 401k savings. And let's not forget, China is essentially a modern-day Nazi-Germany in many ways - there's a reason why 50+% of adults in China smoke. Is this the government we want succeeding in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 19 minutes ago, vortmax said: The automation/tech piece is really interesting, I'm sure China has a 'plan' for that, unless they slow-play it on purpose. Curious. I agree with the low-end manufacturing jobs, but they will eventually try to get the higher-end stuff. Also, I'm concerned about how much they own our businesses, shares, bonds, treasury notes, etc. Many of us here probably have China owning 30-40% of our 401k savings. And let's not forget, China is essentially a modern-day Nazi-Germany in many ways - there's a reason why 50+% of adults in China smoke. Is this the government we want succeeding in the future? I’m not condoning China in any way, just saying it’s not all bad. Americans are absolutely addicted to cheap stuff and China makes that happen. All the rest of the social issues I’m right there with you. But I also think China is in for some huge challenges going forward. They have an enormous and potentially hard to control population, that has nowhere near enough young people to support it (one child law will be there downfall). A communist regime that will always be fighting off the potential of uprising (see all of history, and also recently Hong Kong), automation Issues, food shortages, pollution woes, and apparently deadly diseases. China isn’t just skipping along this road of life. I thought the US was absolutely on a perfect trajectory coming into 2016 and poised for continued world leadership and dominance. We were leaders of science and innovation, working on universal healthcare, had a focus on the environment and conservation, funding for all renewables and energy sources, phasing out fossil fuels. Times were we’re looking good. We definitely let China back into the race with this current admin. Such a shame. It will be really hard to recover after 4 more years of science crushing nonsense. What a shame. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vortmax Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, DeltaT13 said: I’m not condoning China in any way, just saying it’s not all bad. Americans are absolutely addicted to cheap stuff and China makes that happen. All the rest of the social issues I’m right there with you. But I also think China is in for some huge challenges going forward. They have an enormous and potentially hard to control population, that has nowhere near enough young people to support it (one child law will be there downfall). A communist regime that will always be fighting off the potential of uprising (see all of history, and also recently Hong Kong), automation Issues, food shortages, pollution woes, and apparently deadly diseases. China isn’t just skipping along this road of life. I thought the US was absolutely on a perfect trajectory coming into 2016 and poised for continued world leadership and dominance. We were leaders of science and innovation, working on universal healthcare, had a focus on the environment and conservation, funding for all renewables and energy sources, phasing out fossil fuels. Times were we’re looking good. We definitely let China back into the race with this current admin. Such a shame. It will be really hard to recover after 4 more years of science crushing nonsense. What a shame. The US addiction to cheap stuff is definitely a real issue. Agree China has challenges in the future, but I'd like to hear what you think about their investments and ownership in US 'interests'. What data are you looking at that shows US leading in science and innovation in 2016 and not now? Regarding universal healthcare, environment, renewables, etc... I'm all for that in a balanced, longer-term, affordable roll-out. Both sides push to the extremes and very few are willing to meet in the middle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 A mutant coronavirus has emerged, even more contagious than the original, study says https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/sns-mutant-more-contagious-coronavirus-has-emerged-20200505-lr5pctceo5bltbh2mjkiajbxwq-story.html 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 They canceled all canalside concerts for the summer. This might be the worst summer of all time. At least I have a pool. Going to have lots of home parties. So whose coming over for some drinks? https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/canalside-live-cancelled-for-this-summer-coronavirus-covid-19-music-concert/71-743ace43-c129-4b29-a665-97e74283015c?fbclid=IwAR1jdYsqexrzWnyPPOiq-EWeWGb8KnCQeTg_kRsRKJIo7dbCGpGHxTtCXM4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, DeltaT13 said: I’m not condoning China in any way, just saying it’s not all bad. Americans are absolutely addicted to cheap stuff and China makes that happen. All the rest of the social issues I’m right there with you. But I also think China is in for some huge challenges going forward. They have an enormous and potentially hard to control population, that has nowhere near enough young people to support it (one child law will be there downfall). A communist regime that will always be fighting off the potential of uprising (see all of history, and also recently Hong Kong), automation Issues, food shortages, pollution woes, and apparently deadly diseases. China isn’t just skipping along this road of life. I thought the US was absolutely on a perfect trajectory coming into 2016 and poised for continued world leadership and dominance. We were leaders of science and innovation, working on universal healthcare, had a focus on the environment and conservation, funding for all renewables and energy sources, phasing out fossil fuels. Times were we’re looking good. We definitely let China back into the race with this current admin. Such a shame. It will be really hard to recover after 4 more years of science crushing nonsense. What a shame. China is the number one consumer of all that science you speak of. They steal it. We haven’t done anything in 20 years to stop it either. Until huewai. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I may just go hike all 46 peaks in the Adirondacks to prepare for Africa next year. I've already done 10, 36 to go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DeltaT13 Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 hours ago, vortmax said: The US addiction to cheap stuff is definitely a real issue. Agree China has challenges in the future, but I'd like to hear what you think about their investments and ownership in US 'interests'. What data are you looking at that shows US leading in science and innovation in 2016 and not now? Regarding universal healthcare, environment, renewables, etc... I'm all for that in a balanced, longer-term, affordable roll-out. Both sides push to the extremes and very few are willing to meet in the middle. My evidence for us not leading in science and innovation is a bit anecdotal, but any person that says "Let's bring back the coal jobs" obviously isnt on the cutting edge of science and energy technologies. Where to start...... Solar and wind energy has been taxed and defunded. The EPA has been outright decimated, those numbers are out there for everyone to look up. Trump advised the NNSA two years ago to begin shutting down the nation laboratories that were studying fusion science (even though most of it has to do with nuclear weapons testing). He has repeatedly called climate change a hoax (which I'm not sure how that isnt insulting to scientists and generally anti science). Took us out of the Paris Climate Agreement which is just an awesome agreement from a pollution standpoint regardless if you believe in climate change or not. The list goes on and on. Oh yeah, his VP also thinks the earth is 5000 years old. I dunno man, doesnt take a genius to assume that we have taken a few steps back in regards to science over the past few years. I've experienced it personally with budget cuts threatening my job several times. https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/482352-trump-budget-slashes-funding-for-epa-environmental-programs A small excerpt if you don't want to read. "President Trump’s proposed budget for fiscal 2021 calls for significant reductions to environmental programs at federal agencies, including a 26 percent cut to the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). Trump’s budget would eliminate 50 EPA programs and impose massive cuts to research and development, while also nixing money for the Energy Star rating system. The Energy Star program, which measures the efficiency of electronics and appliances, would instead rely on businesses to pay a fee to participate in the program. The proposed spending reductions mark the latest effort by the administration to chip away at government agencies focused on science, the environment and public lands. The White House budget request would reduce spending at the Energy Department by 8 percent and cut 16 percent from the Department of the Interior's budget." Thankfully congress usually says no to these outrageous proposals but to say that the Trump administration has advanced science is an outright lie. You can like Trump all you want, but agree that there is a loud anti science rhetoric in the current admin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Baseball is back, in Korea lol I guess it's something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Coronavirus: France's first known case 'was in December' https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-52526554 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, BuffaloWeather said: They canceled all canalside concerts for the summer. This might be the worst summer of all time. At least I have a pool. Going to have lots of home parties. So whose coming over for some drinks? https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/canalside-live-cancelled-for-this-summer-coronavirus-covid-19-music-concert/71-743ace43-c129-4b29-a665-97e74283015c?fbclid=IwAR1jdYsqexrzWnyPPOiq-EWeWGb8KnCQeTg_kRsRKJIo7dbCGpGHxTtCXM4 With this weather might as well turn the pool into a rink. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: With this weather might as well turn the pool into a rink. May 17-20th looks like near 80! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 29 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: May 17-20th looks like near 80! I was supposed to be four wheeling in the Adirondacks that week but the trip was postponed by the rental to September due to covid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Somewhat related and tame enough to share here from a local car forum... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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