WNash Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 57 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: I was thinking Alaska/Hawaii again if possible. I went to Hawaii last year but want to hit up another island or two. But if I want to stay in the states maybe NW coast, glacier national park, Yosemite, grand canyon. The SW has quite a few places to go. If you can avoid the hottest part of the summer, a including the Grand Canyon, Sedona, Zion, Arches, is a great driving vacation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 If this lasts long I wouldn't be surprised to see Russia attack oil fields...whether through proxies or directly. https://www.investors.com/news/us-oil-prices-have-never-been-this-upside-down-before/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 A California-based company filed a class-action lawsuit against Wells Fargo citing unfair actions against some small businesses seeking government-sponsored coronavirus relief under the Paycheck Protection Program. In March, the Treasury Department announced the $349 billion forgivable loan plan for small businesses that helps them pay employees during the ongoing COVID-19 crisis. The fund ran out of money on Friday. The lawsuit filed on behalf of small business owners on Sunday alleges that Wells Fargo unfairly prioritized businesses seeking large loan amounts, while the government's small business agency has said that PPP loan applications would be processed on a first-come, first-served basis. Save better, spend better: Money advice delivered right to your inbox. Sign up here The move by Wells Fargo meant that the bank would receive millions more dollars in processing fees, according to the lawsuit. Making matters worse, Wells Fargo concealed from the public that it was reshuffling the PPP applications it received and prioritizing the applications that would make the bank the most money," the lawsuit filed in California alleged. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5162801002 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, wolfie09 said: A California-based company filed a class-action lawsuit against Wells Fargo citing unfair actions against some small businesses seeking government-sponsored coronavirus relief under the Paycheck Protection Program. In March, the Treasury Department announced the $349 billion forgivable loan plan for small businesses that helps them pay employees during the ongoing COVID-19 crisis. The fund ran out of money on Friday. The lawsuit filed on behalf of small business owners on Sunday alleges that Wells Fargo unfairly prioritized businesses seeking large loan amounts, while the government's small business agency has said that PPP loan applications would be processed on a first-come, first-served basis. Save better, spend better: Money advice delivered right to your inbox. Sign up here The move by Wells Fargo meant that the bank would receive millions more dollars in processing fees, according to the lawsuit. Making matters worse, Wells Fargo concealed from the public that it was reshuffling the PPP applications it received and prioritizing the applications that would make the bank the most money," the lawsuit filed in California alleged. https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/5162801002 I cannot believe they would do that after what just happened last year. Some things are just too ingrained in a business hierarchy. They are going to have a tough time recovering from this one if its true. Another reason why you simply cannot trust corporations. They are just as selfish as the government. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinksnow18 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: I cannot believe they would do that after what just happened last year. Some things are just too ingrained in a business hierarchy. They are going to have a tough time recovering from this one if its true. Another reason why you simply cannot trust corporations. They are just as selfish as the government. They are run by some incredibly incompetent and narcissistic people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Bad day today for CT They added on to the death total for NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfie09 Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 When we asked readers to send their questions about coronavirus, a common theme emerged: Many people are fearful about tracking the virus into their homes on their clothes, their shoes, the mail and even the newspaper. We reached out to infectious disease experts, aerosol scientists and microbiologists to answer reader questions about the risks of coming into contact with the virus during essential trips outside and from deliveries. While we still need to take precautions, their answers were reassuring. Should I change my clothes and shower when I come home from the grocery store? For most of us who are practicing social distancing and making only occasional trips to the grocery store or pharmacy, experts agree that it’s not necessary to change clothes or take a shower when you return home. You should, however, always wash your hands. While it’s true that a sneeze or cough from an infected person can propel viral droplets and smaller particles through the air, most of them will drop to the ground. Studies show that some small viral particles could float in the air for about half an hour, but they don’t swarm like gnats and are unlikely to collide with your clothes. “A droplet that is small enough to float in air for a while also is unlikely to deposit on clothing because of aerodynamics,” said Linsey Marr, an aerosol scientist at Virginia Tech. “The droplets are small enough that they’ll move in the air around your body and clothing.” Why is it that small droplets and viral particles don’t typically land on our clothing? I asked Marr to explain further, since we’re all getting a mini lesson in aerodynamics. “The best way to describe it is that they follow the streamlines, or air flow, around a person, because we move relatively slowly. It’s kind of like small insects and dust particles flowing in the streamlines around a car at slow speed but potentially slamming into the windshield if the car is going fast enough,” Marr said. “Humans don’t usually move fast enough for this to happen,” Marr continued. “As we move, we push air out of the way, and most of the droplets and particles get pushed out of the way, too. Someone would have to spray large droplets through talking — a spit talker — coughing or sneezing for them to land on our clothes. The droplets have to be large enough that they don’t follow the streamlines.” So, if you’re out shopping and somebody sneezes on you, you probably do want to go home, change and shower. But the rest of the time, take comfort that your slow-moving body is pushing air and viral particles away from your clothes, a result of simple physics. Is there a risk that the virus could be in my hair or beard? For all the reasons outlined above, you should not be worried about viral contamination of your hair or beard if you are practicing social distancing. Even if someone sneezed on the back of your head, any droplets that landed on your hair would be an unlikely source of infection. “You have to think through the process of what would have to happen for someone to become infected,” said Dr. Andrew Janowski, instructor of pediatric infectious diseases at Washington University School of Medicine St. Louis Children’s Hospital. “You have someone who sneezes, and they have to have X amount of virus in the sneeze. Then there has to be so many drops that land on you.” “Then you have to touch that part of your hair or clothing that has those droplets, which already have a significant reduction in viral particles,” Janowski said. “Then you have to touch that, and then touch whatever part of your face, to come into contact with it. When you go through the string of events that must occur, such an extended number of things have to happen just right. That makes it a very low risk.” Should I worry about doing laundry and sorting clothes? Can I shake viral particles loose from my clothes and send them into the air? The answer depends on whether you’re doing routine laundry or cleaning up after a sick person. Routine laundry should not cause worry. Wash it as you normally would. While some types of viruses, like the norovirus, can be tough to clean, the new coronavirus, like the flu virus, is surrounded by a fatty membrane that is vulnerable to soap. Washing your clothes in regular laundry detergent, following the fabric instructions, followed by a stint in the dryer is more than enough to remove the virus — if it was even there in the first place. We do know that viruses can deposit on clothing (from droplets) and then be shaken loose into the air with movement, but you would need a lot of viruses for this to be a concern, far more than a typical person would encounter while going for a walk outdoors or going to a grocery store,” Marr said. The exception is if you are in close contact with a sick person. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommends that you wear gloves when cleaning up after someone who is sick, and take care not to shake laundry and bedding. Use the warmest water setting possible and dry completely. You can mix laundry from an ill person with the rest of the household load. But just leaving laundry to sit for a while also reduces risk, because the virus will dry out and decay. “We know these types of viruses tend to decay faster on fabric than on hard, solid surfaces like steel or plastic,” Marr said. So how long can the virus remain viable on fabric and other surfaces? Most of what we know about how long this novel coronavirus lives on surfaces comes from an important study published in The New England Journal of Medicine in March. The study found that the virus can survive, under ideal conditions, up to three days on hard metal surfaces and plastic and up to 24 hours on cardboard. But the study did not look at fabric. Still, most virus experts believe that the cardboard research offers clues about how the virus probably behaves on fabric. The absorbent, natural fibers in the cardboard appeared to cause the virus to dry up more quickly than it does on hard surfaces. The fibers in fabric would be likely to produce a similar effect. A 2005 study of the virus that causes severe acute respiratory syndrome, another form of coronavirus, provides further reassurance. In that study, researchers tested increasingly large amounts of viral samples on paper and on a cotton gown. Depending on the concentration of the virus, it took five minutes, three hours or 24 hours for it to become inactive. “Even with a relatively high virus load in the droplet, rapid loss of infectivity was observed for paper and cotton material,” the researchers concluded. Should I be concerned about the mail, packages or the newspaper? The risk of getting sick from handling mail or packages is extremely low and, at this point, only theoretical. There are no documented cases of someone getting sick from opening a package or reading a newspaper. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t take precautions. After handling mail or packages or reading the newspaper, dispose of the packaging and wash your hands. If you still feel especially anxious about it, take guidance from the New England Journal study and just let mail and packages sit for 24 hours before handling them. How much should I worry about contamination if I go outside to walk the dog or exercise? Your chances of catching the virus when you go outdoors is extremely low, provided you’re keeping a safe distance from others. “Outdoors is safe, and there is certainly no cloud of virus-laden droplets hanging around,” said Lidia Morawska, professor and director of the International Laboratory for Air Quality and Health at Queensland University of Technology in Brisbane, Australia. “Firstly, any infectious droplets exhaled outside would be quickly diluted in outdoor air, so their concentrations would quickly become insignificant,” Morawska said. “In addition, the stability of the virus outside is significantly shorter than inside. So outside is not really a problem, unless if we are in a very crowded place — which is not allowed now anyway. It is safe to go for a walk and jog and not to worry about the virus in the air, and there is no need for an immediate washing of the clothes.” I’ve read that when I get home from a trip outside I should remove my shoes and wipe them down. Should I waste my precious disinfectant wipes on my shoes? Shoes can harbor bacteria and viruses, but that doesn’t mean they are a common source of infection. A 2008 study commissioned by Rockport Shoes found a lot of gross stuff, including fecal bacteria, on the soles of our shoes. A recent study from China found that among health care workers, half had coronavirus detected on their shoes, which is not unexpected since they worked in hospitals with infected patients. So what should we do about our shoes? If your shoes are washable, you can launder them. Some readers asked about cleaning the soles of their shoes with a wipe. That is not recommended. Not only does it waste a good wipe (they are still in short supply), but it brings germs that would stay on the sole of your shoe or on the ground directly to your hands. You can try not to think about what’s lurking on your shoes — or you can have a conversation with your family about becoming a shoe-free household. If you have a child who crawls or plays on the floor, a family member with allergies, or someone with a compromised immune system, a shoe-free home might be a good idea for general hygiene. Janowski said shoes are not a big worry for contracting coronavirus, but it might make you squeamish if you think about where your shoes have been. “If you want to talk about bacteria, we know bacteria love to live on shoes,” Janowski said. “You never know what you stepped in.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Model shows New York could begin lifting coronavirus restrictions in June https://trib.al/NIbO2ox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 Georgia ( New cases ) Today +1242 Yesterday +316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 37 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Model shows New York could begin lifting coronavirus restrictions in June https://trib.al/NIbO2ox Would be shocked if things don't start opening up June 1st. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaT13 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 After seeing all these protests I'm happy that we have so many eager canaries ready to fly into the coalmine. I'm going to maintain a lot of distance and shelter in place through mid to late May. If cases suddenly spike, I'll feel bad for the medical professionals, but hopefully I wont be one of the positive cases. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 NYC Emergency Department Surveillance Data Visits per 100,000 People by Age GroupThrough 4/19/20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wolfie09 Posted April 20, 2020 Author Share Posted April 20, 2020 While Cuomo was wrong, you don't have to wear a mask outdoors, only when you can not social distance, we are supposed to carry one just in case... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeeffectkid383 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 19 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: 20 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: 2221 now in Erie County as of early afternoon but an increase of 27 deaths over the weekend so we are now up to 162 deaths in Erie County. Earlier during the Cuomo press conference they said the peak for Erie County would not be until June. That seems really late to me but I do realize we are going to be a few weeks behind NYC... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brentrich Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, MJO812 said: Model shows New York could begin lifting coronavirus restrictions in June https://trib.al/NIbO2ox See, we tried to tell you. It will extend into July. When will you start listen to us 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Final numbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Anyone else now avoiding purchasing things made in China? I just learned carhartt has a made in USA line, picked up a couple new pairs of work pants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Kim Jung Un in grave condition after heart surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lakeeffectkid383 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 hours ago, WesterlyWx said: 2221 now in Erie County as of early afternoon but an increase of 27 deaths over the weekend so we are now up to 162 deaths in Erie County. Earlier during the Cuomo press conference they said the peak for Erie County would not be until June. That seems really late to me but I do realize we are going to be a few weeks behind NYC... Bet no one knew Cleveland and San Francisco combined have less deaths (75 total) than Erie a County. In fact Erie Count has more than double. Erie County has a population around 925,000 compared to over 5 million between Cleveland and San Francisco. Maybe they’re further from their peaks than we are but I found that to be quite surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 The craziness deepens. I don’t see what this does to help at this point. I’m no conspiracy theorist but something doesn’t seem right. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-suspend-immigration-executive-order-coronavirus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 55 minutes ago, MJO812 said: Kim Jung Un in grave condition after heart surgery. Foul play involved or legit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: The craziness deepens. I don’t see what this does to help at this point. I’m no conspiracy theorist but something doesn’t seem right. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-suspend-immigration-executive-order-coronavirus Maybe worried about other countries not social distancing and bringing the virus over the borders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is brain dead, according to two US officials. He recently had cardiac surgery and slipped into a coma, according to one US current and one former US official.@NBCNews confirms and adds to CNN scoop from me, @ckubeNBC @carolelee — Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) April 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: North Korean leader Kim Jong Un is brain dead, according to two US officials. He recently had cardiac surgery and slipped into a coma, according to one US current and one former US official.@NBCNews confirms and adds to CNN scoop from me, @ckubeNBC @carolelee — Katy Tur (@KatyTurNBC) April 21, 2020 Wow. pretty good read on the topic, and fairly recent. https://www.nknews.org/2019/03/contingency-planning-who-would-succeed-kim-jong-un/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 12 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: Maybe worried about other countries not social distancing and bringing the virus over the borders? I don’t think it’s that. I think it’s playing hardball for jobs. Most of the people he locked out were coming here on work visas. Economy is going to be shit for a while I think. Too much paranoia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 @BuffaloWeather couple gyms declared bankruptcy today...there might be a flood coming of used equipment. Can never have enough iron. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said: @BuffaloWeather couple gyms declared bankruptcy today...there might be a flood coming of used equipment. Can never have enough iron. I don't know if I could enjoy a home gym as much as going to the gym. I love looking forward to seeing the boys every night after work. I love the sauna, the preworkout, the pump. Ahh take me back! For those that don't know about the pump. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I've made due with 2 20 lb dumbells and a 70 lb bar along with lots of walks and runs outside but it's getting a tad old. Also got into a little bit of yoga, really enjoying it. Will probably make that a staple going forward, mobility is vastly improved. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeyes_Suck Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: I don't know if I could enjoy a home gym as much as going to the gym. I love looking forward to seeing the boys every night after work. I love the sauna, the preworkout, the pump. Ahh take me back! For those that don't know about the pump. There are times I miss it...but since I couldn’t sleep I just snuck in a shoulder workout. I started out a a kid at steel mill gym in Lackawanna, that place was as close to westside barbell as you can get around here. I miss that place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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