Upstate NY Banter and General Discussion..

[vortmax]

RNA/DNA vaccines are the way to go. We need them perfected quickly to get this crap behind us. It's very promising biotech and something that will dramatically impact the seasonal flu as well. I don't think research funding will be an issue anymore. Quick little blurb about one:

https://contemporaryclinic.pharmacytimes.com/preventive-care/dna-flu-vaccine-potential-for-universal-protection

[BuffaloWeather]

54 minutes ago, Luke_Mages said:

What if flattening the curve is simply giving the virus more time to mutate into something more deadly... The reason the Flu hasn’t been eradicated is because it’s constantly changing rendering vaccines ineffective. 

Which makes me wonder. How do they come up with the flu vaccine so quickly if it mutates each year?

[DeltaT13]

2 hours ago, wolfie09 said:

Well in 4 months 1.5+ million entities will be walking through the NY State Fair grounds plus employees, vendors etc ...Talk about a breeding ground lol 

Every single summer festival all they way through August has been canceled in Rochester. I can’t imagine it will be long before the state fair finds the same sad fate. 

[Syrmax]

3 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Which makes me wonder. How do they come up with the flu vaccine so quickly if it mutates each year?

Good question.

[Syrmax]

7 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I feel like the social distancing is working but once we get out and about again is the virus just going to disappear? Without a vaccine or herd immunity, what is to say we just end up exactly where we are now or even worse? I don't really see a short term solution in all of this. We already have proof of warmer weather climates that it does not stop the virus. Once we start having our outdoor concerts, fairs, parties,etc... What will happen then?

I saw a rough analysis of temp vs cases for New Orleans that an ex coworker of mine posted on LinkedIn - he lives in Louisiana.  There does seem to be a correlation developing between lower cases and temps in 70s and higher. We'll see...

[Syrmax]

4 hours ago, Luke_Mages said:

What if flattening the curve is simply giving the virus more time to mutate into something more deadly... The reason the Flu hasn’t been eradicated is because it’s constantly changing rendering vaccines ineffective. 

Supposedly, covid-19 appears to be fairly well behaved in terms of mutations thusfar. It could always change but right now it looks like a vaccine could be targeted for it without much risk of the virus changing enough to matter.

[WNash]

10 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I mean I guess but this is an odd situation. Most union electricians are pulling in 35 an hour. Not sure I would want to give that up. Especially as they are most likely entering their busy time of the year. With OT they are pulling in 50+ an hour.

I don’t have this experience where nearly everyone appears to be a lazy POS. UE guys I know want the hours and are piling them on. My neighbor who works at GM Tonawanda was hoping to go to the project in Indiana to help with ventilator production, rather than sit at home and collect a check to watch the grass grow, but they have all the hourly employees they need to run a projected three shift/seven day production line. Even at UB everyone I know is working harder because there’s a big administrative workload to move instructional support and student services entirely online. I’m pitching in and helping departments who are short staffed and who have bigger tech hurdles. 

[OSUmetstud]

Spain is through the apex as of this morning. They have more recoveries than new cases. 

[Buckeyes_Suck]

3 hours ago, WNash said:

I don’t have this experience where nearly everyone appears to be a lazy POS. UE guys I know want the hours and are piling them on. My neighbor who works at GM Tonawanda was hoping to go to the project in Indiana to help with ventilator production, rather than sit at home and collect a check to watch the grass grow, but they have all the hourly employees they need to run a projected three shift/seven day production line. Even at UB everyone I know is working harder because there’s a big administrative workload to move instructional support and student services entirely online. I’m pitching in and helping departments who are short staffed and who have bigger tech hurdles. 

I’ve seen it in all demographics and industries Ive worked in. There are a ton of hard working people out there like yourself and I but there’s more than enough people who’d rather just sit on their ass and get paid to make backstops taken advantage of. (Socialism) Or not work as hard as their fellow employee and get paid the same. (Unions). I may simply have seen more of it than you because of the demographic I group in. 

[MJO812]

Coronavirus News: Governor Cuomo warns of 2nd COVID-19 wave, calls for intense testing

https://abc7ny.com/health/cuomo-warns-of-2nd-coronavirus-wave-calls-for-testing/6092284/

[BuffaloWeather]

3 hours ago, Luke_Mages said:

I’ve seen it in all demographics and industries Ive worked in. There are a ton of hard working people out there like yourself and I but there’s more than enough people who’d rather just sit on their ass and get paid to make backstops taken advantage of. (Socialism) Or not work as hard as their fellow employee and get paid the same. (Unions). I may simply have seen more of it than you because of the demographic I group in. 

I've worked at quite a big large companies and they're lazy people everywhere. I guess you have to ask yourself would I rather just on my ass and take advantage of the system and make 25k a year(food stamps/welfare), or work my ass off and make 50-100k+ a year. For me, $25k doesn't allow me to travel, and half of that has to be spent on food via food stamps. I'd much rather work. I can see what you're saying if the disparity between taking advantage of the system and working hard was close, but it really isn't close at all. 

[BuffaloWeather]

16 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Coronavirus News: Governor Cuomo warns of 2nd COVID-19 wave, calls for intense testing

https://abc7ny.com/health/cuomo-warns-of-2nd-coronavirus-wave-calls-for-testing/6092284/

You're a NYS cop, is it 20 years and done with full pension/benefits for life for you? I know NYS has one of the best pension programs for state employees in the country. 

[Buckeyes_Suck]

22 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I've worked at quite a big large companies and they're lazy people everywhere. I guess you have to ask yourself would I rather just on my ass and take advantage of the system and make 25k a year(food stamps/welfare), or work my ass off and make 50-100k+ a year. For me, $25k doesn't allow me to travel, and half of that has to be spent on food via food stamps. I'd much rather work. I can see what you're saying if the disparity between taking advantage of the system and working hard was close, but it really isn't close at all. 

Ya I’m more referring to the current situation where you can make $52k a year doing nothing and some of the more extreme socialists ideas out there, like universal income. A lot of those people milking the system for 25k a year plus food coups are also working side hustles, paying no taxes. 
 

That said I think in our lifetimes universal income becomes a reality because of advancements in robotics and AI. For example, most freight will become completely automated via self driving vehicles and robots in our lifetime. 

[MJO812]

36 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

You're a NYS cop, is it 20 years and done with full pension/benefits for life for you? I know NYS has one of the best pension programs for state employees in the country. 

NYC cop

It depends what year you started the job. I have to do 25 for a full pension.

[MJO812]

Gov. Cuomo: "I don't think we ever get back to normal. This is one of the new normals ... it's going to depend on what we do. That's why this is such an important period for government.

[wolfie09]

Some lawmakers think the extra$ should go even longer lol

 

The generous payments are temporary, however. They are scheduled to last for four months, ending July 31.

But politicians already are considering extending that end date in a follow-up relief bill. This weekend, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi wrote a letter to colleagues saying: "CARES 2 must go further... extending and strengthening unemployment benefits."

[wolfie09]

The average state already gives out $463 per week in unemployment benefits. When combined with the new $600 per week, that works out to $1,063 per week – the equivalent of more than $26 an hour, or $55,000 a year.

That angers some essential workers on the front lines on the crisis.

“I can tell you as a worker who barely makes over minimum wage, at $12 an hour, the whole thing is complete BS,” Otis Mitchell Jr., who works in West Virginia transporting hospital patients to get medical tests, told Fox News.

Mitchell Jr. added that he has unemployed friends who already are getting the extra $600, and that “I prefer to work, but sadly I’d make more staying home.”

“I work in a hospital of all places and we aren’t being compensated anything [extra],” he added.

He said he also knows people at his workplace “who are just wanting to get laid off, completely because they’d get more money being at home.”

[wolfie09]

Unemployment benefits traditionally require a worker to be laid off to collect benefits, and so many people are not yet aware that the relief bill allows a person to quit and still collect as long as they “self-certify” that they had to quit because of the coronavirus situation

[BuffaloWeather]

29 minutes ago, MJO812 said:

Gov. Cuomo: "I don't think we ever get back to normal. This is one of the new normals ... it's going to depend on what we do. That's why this is such an important period for government.

As I mentioned yesterday if there is no vaccine or herd immunity and we go back to our normal lifes, does the virus just disappear? I doubt it. 

[CNY_WX]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

As I mentioned yesterday if there is no vaccine or herd immunity and we go back to our normal lifes, does the virus just disappear? I doubt it. 

The virus will not just disappear.  Look at diseases like polio.  Every year there were outbreaks that left people in fear of being paralyzed.  It wasn’t until Jonas Salk discovered a vaccine that polio became a memory.  With proper testing we may be able to manage the Corona virus but it will take a vaccine to really put it past us.  Until then, like Cuomo said, be prepared for a new normal. 

[Syrmax]

1 hour ago, MJO812 said:

Coronavirus News: Governor Cuomo warns of 2nd COVID-19 wave, calls for intense testing

https://abc7ny.com/health/cuomo-warns-of-2nd-coronavirus-wave-calls-for-testing/6092284/

He's probably right. We need antibody testing and a lot of it, soonish.  Of course it would be helpful if we actually had enough covid-19 test kits instead of having to be stingy with them.  And then there's the vaccine... One can dream though...

[wolfie09]

Coronavirus 'harms the brain and nervous system of HALF of severely ill patients and a third of all cases' - causing symptoms such as stumbling, slurred speech and seizures

Coronavirus harms the brain and nervous system of half of severely ill patients, a study on patients with COVID-19 in the Chinese city of Wuhan has found.

 

Such impacts — which appear in a third of patients overall — lead to symptoms including headaches, stumbling, slurred speech, nerve pain and seizures.

The study — the first to characterise the brain problems associated with coronavirus infection — suggest that these symptoms could indicate patients at a higher risk.

In the study, neurologist Bo Hu of the Huazhong University of Science and Technology and colleagues analysed 214 patients with COVID-19 from Wuhan, China, the city where the outbreak emerged, between mid-January and mid-February.

The patients were all treated in one of three dedicated special care centres in the university's Union Hospital.

The experts sorted neurological symptoms into one of three categories, the first of which was central nervous system manifestations — including dizziness, headache, impaired consciousness, acute cerebrovascular disease, ataxia and seizure.

The other categories were peripheral nervous system manifestations (taste impairment, smell impairment, vision impairment and nerve pain) and skeletal muscular injury manifestations.

Overall, 78 patients (36.4 per cent) had neurologic manifestations,' the researchers wrote in their paper.

'Compared with patients with non-severe infection, patients with severe infection were older, had more underlying disorders, especially hypertension, and showed fewer typical symptoms of COVID-19, such as fever and cough,' they added.

'Patients with more severe infection had neurologic manifestations, such as acute cerebrovascular diseases (5 vs 1), impaired consciousness (13 vs 3) and skeletal muscle injury (17 vs 6).'

During the epidemic period of COVID-19, when seeing patients with neurologic manifestations, clinicians should suspect severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 infection as a differential diagnosis,' the researchers said.

This, they added, will avoid delayed diagnosis or misdiagnosis and losing the chance to treat [the patients] and prevent further transmission.'

 

[Thinksnow18]

14 hours ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Which makes me wonder. How do they come up with the flu vaccine so quickly if it mutates each year?

From what I've learned is they look to the strain of flu in the southern hemisphere and do there best to try and copy the virus and make a vaccine for it...this gives them approximately 4 months to do so.

[wolfie09]

[Syrmax]

43 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

The average state already gives out $463 per week in unemployment benefits. When combined with the new $600 per week, that works out to $1,063 per week – the equivalent of more than $26 an hour, or $55,000 a year.

That angers some essential workers on the front lines on the crisis.

“I can tell you as a worker who barely makes over minimum wage, at $12 an hour, the whole thing is complete BS,” Otis Mitchell Jr., who works in West Virginia transporting hospital patients to get medical tests, told Fox News.

Mitchell Jr. added that he has unemployed friends who already are getting the extra $600, and that “I prefer to work, but sadly I’d make more staying home.”

“I work in a hospital of all places and we aren’t being compensated anything [extra],” he added.

He said he also knows people at his workplace “who are just wanting to get laid off, completely because they’d get more money being at home.”

This is what happens when public "benefit" assignments get involved. It gets to the old moral hazard vs Meritocracy debate.  One can see both sides.  As far as the workers still carrying on while others get unemployment...as we used to say the Navy, "it's a f@ck job" but no good alternatives exist. Someone has to get it done.  Maybe gov't can also provide some extra comp in acknowledgement?  As long as we're throwing helicopter money around, why not. (The repercussions of all that is a separate discussion).

[Syrmax]

Interesting Exchange between CNBC flunkie Scott Wapner and Venture Capitalist Chamath Palihapitiya that is well worth watching.  Love this guy, he is spot on and stuck it up Wapner's azz.

Venture capitalist Chamath Palihapitiya stunned CNBC anchor Scott Wapner and generated widespread applause on social media by declaring in a television interview Thursday that the U.S. government should let hedge funds and billionaire CEOs “get wiped out” by the coronavirus-induced economic collapse and instead focus its attention on rescuing Main Street.

[BuffaloWeather]

Just now, Syrmax said:

Interesting Exchange between CNBC flunkie Scott Wapner and Venture Capitalist Chamath Palihapitiya thatbis well worth worth watching.  Love this guy, he is spot on and stuck it up Wapner's azz.

Venture capitalist Chamath Palihapitiya stunned CNBC anchor Scott Wapner and generated widespread applause on social media by declaring in a television interview Thursday that the U.S. government should let hedge funds and billionaire CEOs “get wiped out” by the coronavirus-induced economic collapse and instead focus its attention on rescuing Main Street.

The biggest misconception of our democracy is that we actually have freedom and control our viewpoints with our right to vote. The 1% control the world and it's impossible to stop them. 

[BuffaloWeather]

2 minutes ago, Syrmax said:

This is what happens when public "benefit" assignments get involved. It gets to the old moral hazard vs Meritocracy debate.  One can see both sides.  As far as the workers still carrying on while others get unemployment...as we used to say the Navy, "it's a f@ck job" but no good alternatives exist. Someone has to get it done.  Maybe givt can also provide some extra comp in acknowledgement?  As long as we're throwing helicopter money around, why not. (The repercussions of all that is a separate discussion).

What do you think about that Navy captain who got kicked off the ship? 

[Syrmax]

Just now, BuffaloWeather said:

The biggest misconception of our democracy is that we actually have freedom and control our viewpoints with our right to vote. The 1% control the world and it's impossible to stop them. 

I thought Chamath's position was a refreshing one. A billionaire refusing to allow CNBC mouthpiece parrot the usual line about bailing out billionaires...Wapner acted like his buddies he interviews would he homeless on the Bowery. What a tool.

[BuffaloWeather]

15 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Based on this we're on lock down until mid July?