Coronavirus

[schoeppeya]

16 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

And 5x the number of people in 1/3 the area. Yeah, I absolutely believe it. This is incredibly awful.

Some of the worlds biggest slums too. The perfect place for a virus to go crazy. 

[Hoosier]

32 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

And 5x the number of people in 1/3 the area. Yeah, I absolutely believe it. This is incredibly awful.

That's why I didn't dismiss the veracity of the statement about people dead on the streets.  If the Post is going to use a picture of somebody laying on the street, they should've used a different one because the one they used is clearly old and gives people a reason to doubt that it is occurring.

[hawkeye_wx]

I get my second Pfizer shot this morning.  Hopefully, the side-effects will be minimal.

[TimB]

15 hours ago, Hoosier said:

That's why I didn't dismiss the veracity of the statement about people dead on the streets.  If the Post is going to use a picture of somebody laying on the street, they should've used a different one because the one they used is clearly old and gives people a reason to doubt that it is occurring.

So it’s the far-right New York Post using its own lack of credibility to make the public believe the pandemic in India is less severe than it actually is. That’s some next level stuff.

[schoeppeya]

2 hours ago, TimB84 said:

So it’s the far-right New York Post using its own lack of credibility to make the public believe the pandemic in India is less severe than it actually is. That’s some next level stuff.

Almost like the far left media (so basically, the media) leading the public to believe the pandemic in the rest of the world is far deadlier/more severe than it actually is. 

[TimB]

22 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Almost like the far left media (so basically, the media) leading the public to believe the pandemic in the rest of the world is far deadlier/more severe than it actually is. 

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-india-united-states-coronavirus-pandemic-asia-3b5adbaf2a94f95b31664efe83807e80
Here’s an article from one of the most objective sources in media about how serious the pandemic is in India. If you consider the Associated Press radical leftist stuff, I don’t know what to tell you.

[Guest]

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-india-united-states-coronavirus-pandemic-asia-3b5adbaf2a94f95b31664efe83807e80
Here’s an article from one of the most objective sources in media about how serious the pandemic is in India. If you consider the Associated Press radical leftist stuff, I don’t know what to tell you.

Those who would say AP is not objective news reporting is akin to calling Brian Williams a liar. Crazy .

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[schoeppeya]

58 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-india-united-states-coronavirus-pandemic-asia-3b5adbaf2a94f95b31664efe83807e80
Here’s an article from one of the most objective sources in media about how serious the pandemic is in India. If you consider the Associated Press radical leftist stuff, I don’t know what to tell you.

I shouldn’t have to break down every single post for you Barney style to keep you from misinterpreting or misdirecting what I am saying. Which is the vast majority of mainstream is left leaning and uses the exact same tactics the article you keep talking about does. Do I need to post the CNN director video for you? And, I specifically said the “rest of the world” as a counter to what’s happening to India, is there a way I can’t say that so it’s more clear to you?  I don’t need a lecture from you about centrism when every single post you make includes some underhanded shot at dipshits on the other side of the aisle from you. Which I have said, over and over, I am not. 

[TimB]

1 hour ago, schoeppeya said:

I shouldn’t have to break down every single post for you Barney style to keep you from misinterpreting or misdirecting what I am saying. Which is the vast majority of mainstream is left leaning and uses the exact same tactics the article you keep talking about does. Do I need to post the CNN director video for you? And, I specifically said the “rest of the world” as a counter to what’s happening to India, is there a way I can’t say that so it’s more clear to you?  I don’t need a lecture from you about centrism when every single post you make includes some underhanded shot at dipshits on the other side of the aisle from you. Which I have said, over and over, I am not. 

I sure as hell don’t think CNN is an objective source, but it’s no less objective than its primary competitors with opposing views. Along those lines, remember last March when the coronavirus was a scientific issue and not a political one? One individual, much more than anyone else, is responsible for it being so politicized, and it’s not CNN or Fox News or MSNBC or One America. You can look at a Facebook profile of someone on either side of the political aisle and there’s a solid chance you’ll see some sort of “stay home, save lives” sentiment that they posted last March before half of our country was told to think a different way about it. (I have some left-leaning opinions and some right-leaning opinions about other issues (most of which aren’t rooted in science), but this is specifically related to covid and I side with science on the issue of covid, which happens to line up closely with the left-wing position a lot better than it does with the right-wing position. That’s all I’m going to say on why I’m so harsh with the way I word things sometimes. I don’t view all right-wing positions as garbage, but their position on covid and the way it defies science irks me.)

[mattb65]

Things are still on track for a good summer. 

The decline in first doses of the vaccine has been a bit steeper than expected but the decline in cases has also been a bit earlier and steeper than expected. 

 

[winterwx21]

19 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

Things are still on track for a good summer. 

The decline in first doses of the vaccine has been a bit steeper than expected but the decline in cases has also been a bit earlier and steeper than expected. 

 

Things are rapidly improving now here in NJ. Cases are down 31% from a week ago and 42% from a month ago. 60% of people in this state have received 1 dose and 42% are fully vaccinated. It seems as if 40% vaccination is the area in which cases start to decline significantly.

[Hoosier]

This is interesting.  It says that exposure to the spike protein, not even the virus itself, was enough to cause genetic changes in airway cells.  Don't the vaccines train the body to recognize the covid spike protein?  If so, then why doesn't the vaccine cause some of these long hauler symptoms?  I don't have any formal medical background and I'm sure this can be easily explained to a layman like me, but it's something I thought of when I first read it.

 

Gene changes might explain long-haul COVID-19 symptoms

"We found that exposure to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein alone was enough to change baseline gene expression in airway cells," said Nicholas Evans, a master's student in the laboratory of Sharilyn Almodovar, Ph.D., at the Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center. "This suggests that symptoms seen in patients may initially result from the spike protein interacting with the cells directly."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-gene-long-haul-covid-symptoms.html

[mattb65]

2 hours ago, Hoosier said:

This is interesting.  It says that exposure to the spike protein, not even the virus itself, was enough to cause genetic changes in airway cells.  Don't the vaccines train the body to recognize the covid spike protein?  If so, then why doesn't the vaccine cause some of these long hauler symptoms?  I don't have any formal medical background and I'm sure this can be easily explained to a layman like me, but it's something I thought of when I first read it.

 

Gene changes might explain long-haul COVID-19 symptoms

"We found that exposure to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein alone was enough to change baseline gene expression in airway cells," said Nicholas Evans, a master's student in the laboratory of Sharilyn Almodovar, Ph.D., at the Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center. "This suggests that symptoms seen in patients may initially result from the spike protein interacting with the cells directly."

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-gene-long-haul-covid-symptoms.html

In this study there is exposure of lung cells in a petri dish to the spike protein. With the mrna vaccine, expression of the spike protein is induced in cells in the arm, and in the virus vector vaccines, the spike protein is also only in the muscle in the arm. The immune response then kicks in based on these foreign proteins in the arm. The theory from this paper is that the spike protein itself, not the immune response to the spike protein may contribute to the long term symptoms by affecting gene expression in cells exposed to purified spike protein. The vaccine doesn't expose lung cells to the spike protein, thus infection would cause these problems  because lots of lung cells are exposed to the spike protein but not vaccination. This is all very theoretical though, there is not translational research to say whether or not the changes seen in this in vitro study would have the effects in vivo.

 

[Hoosier]

12 minutes ago, mattb65 said:

In this study there is exposure of lung cells in a petri dish to the spike protein. With the mrna vaccine, expression of the spike protein is induced in cells in the arm, and in the virus vector vaccines, the spike protein is also only in the muscle in the arm. The immune response then kicks in based on these foreign proteins in the arm. The theory from this paper is that the spike protein itself, not the immune response to the spike protein may contribute to the long term symptoms by affecting gene expression in cells exposed to purified spike protein. The vaccine doesn't expose lung cells to the spike protein, thus infection would cause these problems  because lots of lung cells are exposed to the spike protein but not vaccination. This is all very theoretical though, they're is not translational research to say whether or not the changes seen in this in vitro study would have the effects in vivo.

 

You explained it well.  Thanks!

[Hoosier]

The pill in trial from Pfizer sounds promising.  Hopefully it pans out.  Would be nice to have another tool (and a simple one at that) in combatting the virus to address the breakthrough infections and infections in people who didn't get the vaccine.  I'd like to think there would be less hesitancy in popping a pill compared to getting a vaccine.  That is a more familiar, every day type of thing to people, even though pills can come with a ton of side effects (cue one of those commercials with a list of every possible side effect lol)

[A-L-E-K]

your boy is fully vax'd, stronger than ever, and ready 2 post

[BuffaloWeather]

 

[Hoosier]

I made my appointment a few weeks ago for shot #1 and couldn't get in until the middle of May.  But I've heard multiple stories from people who just scheduled one in the past week or so and got in within 3-5 days.  I bet I could cancel mine, reschedule and get in very quickly.  Thinking about doing that but may just wait until my originally scheduled appt.  Part of me likes having more people I know in my age group go before me just to see what kind of side effects they may have.  Plus I don't feel any more at risk from covid than I did a month ago.  People around here are still very good with masking in public even after the state mask mandate ended.

Almost nobody I know in my age group has received both doses yet, so it will be interesting to see how the second dose goes for them.  I know people from 20-85 years old who have been vaccinated and am sort of keeping a mental database of their side effects.  My unofficial observations have been that the younger folks tended to have a bit more side effects but there are exceptions to that and again, almost nobody I know who is around my age has gotten both doses yet.

[madwx]

I'm 29.   Got Pfizer, first dose was a sore arm and dry mouth.   Second dose was a sorer arm and general fatigue and a headache, nothing bad but felt tired for about a day or so.

[BuffaloWeather]

1 hour ago, Hoosier said:

I made my appointment a few weeks ago for shot #1 and couldn't get in until the middle of May.  But I've heard multiple stories from people who just scheduled one in the past week or so and got in within 3-5 days.  I bet I could cancel mine, reschedule and get in very quickly.  Thinking about doing that but may just wait until my originally scheduled appt.  Part of me likes having more people I know in my age group go before me just to see what kind of side effects they may have.  Plus I don't feel any more at risk from covid than I did a month ago.  People around here are still very good with masking in public even after the state mask mandate ended.

Almost nobody I know in my age group has received both doses yet, so it will be interesting to see how the second dose goes for them.  I know people from 20-85 years old who have been vaccinated and am sort of keeping a mental database of their side effects.  My unofficial observations have been that the younger folks tended to have a bit more side effects but there are exceptions to that and again, almost nobody I know who is around my age has gotten both doses yet.

That's so weird there. You can walk to almost any doctors office or clinic here and get your shot tomorrow if you're 16+ in NYS.

I've known many people my age who've gotten it with no issues at all. It seems those that get sick are like 10%, not the 90% who have little to no symptoms. It's more prevalent with shot #2.

[WestMichigan]

Walk in appointments are starting to be pretty common around here also.  Side effects so far have been minimal for most but did have one co-worker who mentioned having a fever and chills starting about 12 hours after the shot for about 10 hours or so.

[KokomoWX]

8 hours ago, Hoosier said:

I made my appointment a few weeks ago for shot #1 and couldn't get in until the middle of May.  But I've heard multiple stories from people who just scheduled one in the past week or so and got in within 3-5 days.  I bet I could cancel mine, reschedule and get in very quickly.  Thinking about doing that but may just wait until my originally scheduled appt.  Part of me likes having more people I know in my age group go before me just to see what kind of side effects they may have.  Plus I don't feel any more at risk from covid than I did a month ago.  People around here are still very good with masking in public even after the state mask mandate ended.

Almost nobody I know in my age group has received both doses yet, so it will be interesting to see how the second dose goes for them.  I know people from 20-85 years old who have been vaccinated and am sort of keeping a mental database of their side effects.  My unofficial observations have been that the younger folks tended to have a bit more side effects but there are exceptions to that and again, almost nobody I know who is around my age has gotten both doses yet.

II (59) was scheduled normally but also was on a wait list for left over doses.  I got called early and since I was already in the system, they could easily adjust my appointment.  I hear others doing walk-in appointments ahead of their schedule appointments and they can adjust on the fly.  I had only a very slight reaction (tired, felt feverish) to the first Pfizer shot and none to the second.  Of the two dozen folks I work or talk with daily, only two had strong reaction.  Both were around 40ish and felt like a bad case of flu but they both recovered in 24 hours.  Neither had have COVID.   

Besides working daily in K-12 with in person learning since August, I've been photographing indoor percussion, indoor marching, and dance competitions in Indiana, Michigan, and Ohio.  I see mostly masking but also laugh at some of the restrictions.  This past weekend in Cleveland, chairs were spaced 6 feet apart.  All spectators were to wear a mask and sit six feet apart.  This included families living in the same house and that traveled in the same car to the event.  Needless to say, a lot of chairs were moved.  The venue also require mandatory temperature checks for anyone coming into the convention center.  Well anyone when that person was on duty.  If you were in the first block before their shift, you were allowed to enter without any a temperature check.  Chairs also had to be realigned to the six feet spacing requirement and sprayed with a disinfectant between blocks unless we were running behind and there wasn't time.

My hotel had disabled by in room refrigerator and removed the microwave for my COVID protection.  The hotel had no bellman or bellman carts for my COVID safety.  Someone could valet park my car but not go get the car.  Talk about unscientific and arbitrary rules. 

[hawkeye_wx]

It has been almost 24 hours since my second Pfizer shot.  At most, I felt a tiny bit achy and cold late last night... really nothing.  Both shots gave me some soreness in my upper arm.

It is pretty much walk-in appointments around here now as well.

[BuffaloWeather]

36 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said:

It has been almost 24 hours since my second Pfizer shot.  At most, I felt a tiny bit achy and cold late last night... really nothing.  Both shots gave me some of soreness in my upper arm.

It is pretty much walk-in appointments around here now as well.

I get my 2nd Saturday.  For the first shot I was just fatigued for 4-5 days, no other issues. The only person I know that had bad side effects was my mother in law. She was pretty much bed ridden for 3 days with a high fever/chills. She also doesn't drink enough water, and is prone to kidney stones. There seems to be a strong coorelation between water/side effects. 

[hawkeye_wx]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

I get my 2nd Saturday.  For the first shot I was just fatigued for 4-5 days, no other issues. The only person I know that had bad side effects was my mother in law. She was pretty much bed ridden for 3 years with a high fever/chills. She also doesn't drink enough water, and is prone to kidney stones. There seems to be a strong coorelation between water/side effects. 

I drank a lot of water yesterday.

[MJO812]

Finally 

[KokomoWX]

Biden and the CDC has really missed the mark on vaccines.  I'm pretty sure they would send the wrong message about Evian bottled water to people dying of thirst in the dessert.  

[dan11295]

Nationwide numbers continue to be encouraging. No reason to believe cases wont continue to drop now as we head into Spring. Daily deaths should begin dropping noticeably in 1-2 weeks (its been stuck in the 700-750/day range for a while). Btw, the spring wave in Michigan has enough data to show the clear benefits of vaccinations. Both winter and spring waves peaked at about the same daily case load and hospitalizations, yet daily deaths were 125/day in December vs 70/day now. (1.5% vs 0.9% CFR). 

[Hoosier]

2 hours ago, KokomoWX said:

Biden and the CDC has really missed the mark on vaccines.  I'm pretty sure they would send the wrong message about Evian bottled water to people dying of thirst in the dessert.  

I think it's a perception thing.  Unless you always have a bar on the screen that says everyone in attendance has been vaccinated, people may have taken it the wrong way if they saw a packed crowd if all of Congress attended.

I do think there has been an abundance of caution in the guidelines, but we are still in this somewhat tricky zone in which a lot of the US population has not been vaccinated and certainly doesn't have the max protection from the vaccines yet.

[Hoosier]

Interesting point made in this article.  Perhaps it wouldn't be a bad idea to get an antibody test after the vaccine to make sure the vaccine took, especially if you're older/compromised.  This guy had chronic leukemia.

'BREAKTHROUGH' COVID DEATH: FULLY-VACCINATED FLOSSMOOR MAN, 75, DIES FROM VIRUS A MONTH AFTER 2ND VACCINE DOSE

 

CHICAGO (WLS) -- Illinois public health officials began releasing data Wednesday on what it calls "breakthrough" COVID-19 cases, which involve fully-vaccinated people who still get the virus - and sometimes die.

A 75-year-old south suburban Flossmoor man is one such case. More than two weeks after his second vaccine dose, Alan Sporn, felt free.
 

"It was a Saturday, and he said instead of getting together for dinner tonight, kids, I'm going to meet you guys for lunch because I'm going out with my friends tonight to celebrate that we made it through this year," said Bonnie Sporn, his daughter.

But days later, one of his dinner mates tested positive for COVID-19, and so did Sporn. The 75-year-old grandfather of four died from the virus a month after receiving his second shot.

https://abc7chicago.com/amp/breakthrough-covid-after-vaccine-death-il/10558121/