Coronavirus

[TimB]

25 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Who?

 

Even GW Bush is palatable compared to what we have today.

I’m not going to name a list of names, it would quickly turn into a list of people who dared to disagree with a certain person. (But you get the point, that list includes every Republican nominee for President this century except for that person.)

Edit: also not saying I support any of them or would vote for them, but I could at least find common ground with most people who did before the divisions in this country became what they are today.

Edit 2: but really mostly only Abraham Lincoln. Eisenhower was pretty good too.

[Hoosier]

21 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Even GW Bush is palatable compared to what we have today.

I’m not going to name a list of names, it would quickly turn into a list of people who dared to disagree with a certain person. (But you get the point, that list includes every Republican nominee for President this century except for that person.)

Edit: also not saying I support any of them or would vote for them, but I could at least find common ground with most people who did before the divisions in this country became what they are today.

Oh boy, so much could be said in response to this.  But no use talking about a guy who didn't deal with covid and left office 12 years ago.

[TimB]

5 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Oh boy, so much could be said in response to this.  But no use talking about a guy who didn't deal with covid and left office 12 years ago.

True. I would also argue there’s no use talking about a guy who didn’t deal with covid and left office 12 weeks ago.

I’ll see myself out. 

[Hoosier]

Based on who has been vaccinated the most so far, you could make an argument that a vaccine passport is racist.  Others can make that argument if they want.  I mean, we still have a sizable chunk of white America that hasn't been vaccinated either.

[schoeppeya]

4 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Based on who has been vaccinated the most so far, you could make an argument that a vaccine passport is racist.  Others can make that argument if they want.  I mean, we still have a sizable chunk of white America that hasn't been vaccinated either.

When vaccine passports become racist, we will have officially come full circle in politics. 

I was listening to a podcast last week (Jocko) that was making the argument that mob politics eventually burn themselves out because at some point even the leadership of the mob starts getting accused of whatever the mob is supporting. 

[OSUmetstud]

14 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Based on who has been vaccinated the most so far, you could make an argument that a vaccine passport is racist.  Others can make that argument if they want.  I mean, we still have a sizable chunk of white America that hasn't been vaccinated either.

Even for people who seem to be in favor of them, I think the consensus is you do not do it until everyone has actually had the opportunity to get one (domestically). Too many fairness issues to implement something like that currently. 

[Hoosier]

5 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

Even for people who seem to be in favor of them, I think the consensus is you do not do it until everyone has actually had the opportunity to get one (domestically). Too many fairness issues to implement something like that currently. 

It's already starting though.  Was just reading a story yesterday about some places in Las Vegas.

[OSUmetstud]

2 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

It's already starting though.  Was just reading a story yesterday about some places in Las Vegas.

What's starting? 

[CheeselandSkies]

1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

It's already starting though.  Was just reading a story yesterday about some places in Las Vegas.

I think a "passport" though by definition would be something that is required for international travel, or for certain privileges at the federal level (access to airports or Amtrak trains, for example). Surely individual businesses should be able to decide if they will require proof of vaccination for entry, the same as they could flout shutdown orders or declare themselves "mask-free zones" in the name of running their business as they see fit?

[OSUmetstud]

Just now, CheeselandSkies said:

I think a "passport" though by definition would be something that is required for international travel, or for certain privileges at the federal level (access to airports or Amtrak trains, for example). Surely individual businesses should be able to decide if they will require proof of vaccination for entry, the same as they could flout shutdown orders or declare themselves "mask-free zones" in the name of running their business as they see fit?

Yeah I don't think there's anything you can do about that. I'm more discussing when the government is involved. 

[BuffaloWeather]

Pfizer is eyeing full FDA approval pretty soon.

The pair’s mRNA vaccine is 91.3% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 disease as measured in people who have been immunized with the second dose of the shot for up to six months, the companies said Thursday.

The new efficacy data, plus a safety analysis comprising data from more than 12,000 people who were fully immunized for at least six months, allow the companies to file a drug application with the FDA to turn the shot’s emergency use authorization into a full approval, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, Ph.D., said in a statement.

The efficacy level is slightly down from the 95% number the vaccine first posted in the trial. With those data, Pfizer secured an FDA emergency use authorization in December. Since that initial analysis, more COVID-19 cases have accrued, increasing to 927 as of March 13 from the previous 170.

Of the total cases, investigators recorded 850 in the placebo group compared with 77 in the vaccine cohort. Thirty-two severe COVID-19 cases were recorded, all in the placebo group, translating into a 100% efficacy against severe disease for the vaccine.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfizer-biontech-eye-official-covid-19-vaccine-nod-as-efficacy-stands-strong-including

[OSUmetstud]

Nothing new under the sun.

To slow the spread of the highly infectious and often deadly virus, there was a nationwide push for smallpox vaccination. In cities and states with the worst outbreaks, vaccination was compulsory and official certificates of vaccination were required to go to work, attend public school, ride trains or even go to the theater.

The mandatory vaccination orders angered many Americans who formed anti-vaccination leagues to defend their personal liberties. In an attempt to dodge public health officials, who went door-to-door (often with a police escort) to enforce vaccination laws, some anti-vaccination activists would forge certificates of vaccination. Unable to tell if certificates were legitimate, health officials fell back on physical evidence: they demanded to see a vaccination scar.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.history.com/.amp/news/vaccine-passports-smallpox-scar

[RyanDe680]

12 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Pfizer is eyeing full FDA approval pretty soon.

The pair’s mRNA vaccine is 91.3% effective against symptomatic COVID-19 disease as measured in people who have been immunized with the second dose of the shot for up to six months, the companies said Thursday.

The new efficacy data, plus a safety analysis comprising data from more than 12,000 people who were fully immunized for at least six months, allow the companies to file a drug application with the FDA to turn the shot’s emergency use authorization into a full approval, Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, Ph.D., said in a statement.

The efficacy level is slightly down from the 95% number the vaccine first posted in the trial. With those data, Pfizer secured an FDA emergency use authorization in December. Since that initial analysis, more COVID-19 cases have accrued, increasing to 927 as of March 13 from the previous 170.

Of the total cases, investigators recorded 850 in the placebo group compared with 77 in the vaccine cohort. Thirty-two severe COVID-19 cases were recorded, all in the placebo group, translating into a 100% efficacy against severe disease for the vaccine.

https://www.fiercepharma.com/pharma/pfizer-biontech-eye-official-covid-19-vaccine-nod-as-efficacy-stands-strong-including

This may be due to more real world variant exposure...

[Hoosier]

20 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said:

What's starting? 

The "passports", or at least the discussion of implementing them very soon.

[BuffaloWeather]

Full FDA approval should give more people the confidence in getting the vaccine. 

[Hoosier]

21 minutes ago, CheeselandSkies said:

I think a "passport" though by definition would be something that is required for international travel, or for certain privileges at the federal level (access to airports or Amtrak trains, for example). Surely individual businesses should be able to decide if they will require proof of vaccination for entry, the same as they could flout shutdown orders or declare themselves "mask-free zones" in the name of running their business as they see fit?

Not the same thing.

I live in an area with a decent amount of people of color, and I can't remember the last time I saw one without a mask.  

I'm going to guess that access to a mask is easier than access to a vaccine at present.

[CheeselandSkies]

3 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Not the same thing.

I live in an area with a decent amount of people of color, and I can't remember the last time I saw one without a mask.  

I'm going to guess that access to a mask is easier than access to a vaccine at present.

Oh, I'm sure it is. I don't disagree on that at all.

[Nickysixes]

28 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Not the same thing.

I live in an area with a decent amount of people of color, and I can't remember the last time I saw one without a mask.  

I'm going to guess that access to a mask is easier than access to a vaccine at present.

Problem is, they wear the same masks for weeks at  a time. Take the masks away,  cases drop. Becoming pretty clear that the personal bacteria  farms are detrimental 

[TimB]

4 minutes ago, Nickysixes said:

Problem is, they wear the same masks for weeks at  a time. Take the masks away,  cases drop. Becoming pretty clear that the personal bacteria  farms are detrimental 

Even if we pretend the masks are “personal bacteria farms,” please do explain how bacteria are at all related to covid. I’ll wait.

[Nickysixes]

2 minutes ago, TimB84 said:

Even if we pretend the masks are “personal bacteria farms,” please do explain how bacteria are at all related to covid. I’ll wait.

 Masks weaken your immune system.  In turn you're more likely to catch anything that comes along, CCP virus included

[nwohweather]

Michigan hitting another high today. I think it’s extremely apparent that this partial lockdown stuff just does not work. You either do what we did last Spring, or open everything up and require masks.

What’s happening in that state is the equivalent of hiding in the bathtub with an EF4 coming for you

[TimB]

2 minutes ago, Nickysixes said:

 Masks weaken your immune system.  In turn you're more likely to catch anything that comes along, CCP virus included

You’re plenty good at discrediting anything you have to say without even having to use terms like “CCP virus,” no need to add that.

Ron Watkins would be proud of you.

[Hoosier]

12 minutes ago, Nickysixes said:

Problem is, they wear the same masks for weeks at  a time. Take the masks away,  cases drop. Becoming pretty clear that the personal bacteria  farms are detrimental 

I'm in favor of open discussion in here but even I am tired of your posts.  Not a good thing.  

[Nickysixes]

1 minute ago, Hoosier said:

I'm in favor of open discussion in here but even I am tired of your posts.  Not a good thing.  

Okay then. Explain how masks are helping covid-19 cases decrease and where is this occurring? 

[dta1984]

17 minutes ago, Nickysixes said:

Problem is, they wear the same masks for weeks at  a time. Take the masks away,  cases drop. Becoming pretty clear that the personal bacteria  farms are detrimental 

Yep, nasty bacteria from a used mask.

[schoeppeya]

Can we not do the dirty mask thing for the 50th time?

[Nickysixes]

15 minutes ago, schoeppeya said:

Can we not do the dirty mask thing for the 50th time?

Point taken, the whole thing is just so absurd

[mattb65]

27 minutes ago, Nickysixes said:

Okay then. Explain how masks are helping covid-19 cases decrease and where is this occurring? 

If you can't understand why wearing a mask properly for a respiratory  pathogen helps to prevent infection then I don't think there's much help for you. 

Would you go into a known heavily infected person's room without a high quality mask? I sure as hell wouldnt. How do you explain how the many physicians and nurses treating highly infected covid patients not getting infected? The masks cause people to get weakened immune systems and cause them to get covid,  that's your claim, right? Once we got proper ppe protocols in hospitals, providers stopped getting covid,  why is that?

[dta1984]

Way to go coach, outdoor setting, distanced, no need for masks

https://www.foxcarolina.com/track-coach-fired-after-refusing-to-make-athletes-wear-masks-during-races/article_e80b6b99-6bd5-5b04-bf27-0d9de7bd9da7.html

[Hoosier]

38 minutes ago, Nickysixes said:

Okay then. Explain how masks are helping covid-19 cases decrease and where is this occurring? 

You are the one going on about masks causing more covid cases.  How about this.  Show us examples of places that were surging in cases, then implemented a mask mandate, and continued to surge in cases more than a few weeks after.

Masks reduce transmission.  They cause a decrease in cases or will at least help to slow down an increase.  For all we know, Michigan could be averaging over 10k cases per day right now without masking.  

Could somebody have covid on the outside of their mask and then reuse it (without washing) and contaminate themselves with covid in the process?  Sure, I guess, but the overall benefit to reducing viral transmission is greater.