schoeppeya Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 This is fun keep going please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, schoeppeya said: This is fun keep going please Like I said, I’ve come to agree to disagree with you. The difference between you and dta is you’re arguing in good faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, TimB84 said: Bacteria cause infections. A person wearing a dirty mask can cause an infection. The mask itself can’t. Ok we will leave it at this then. The mask contributes. "This infection cannot solely be caused by wearing a mask, but the conditions a mask provides is perfect for the infection to grow. " Edit..this refers to wearing a dirty mask.... https://cw.ua.edu/65524/top-stories/full-time-mask-wearing-brings-its-own-set-of-problems/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TimB84 said: Like I said, I’ve come to agree to disagree with you. The difference between you and dta is you’re arguing in good faith. What part is not good faith? I have no agenda like some of you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, dta1984 said: What part is not good faith? I have no agenda like some of you. I have an agenda? That’s news to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoeppeya Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, TimB84 said: Like I said, I’ve come to agree to disagree with you. The difference between you and dta is you’re arguing in good faith. DTA is much more vaccine hesitant than me. I have zero concerns getting the vaccine. I hope everyone that wants it and needs it gets it. I just understand his point of view and dont think everyone needs to have the vaccine for us to get back to normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, TimB84 said: I have an agenda? That’s news to me. Just ignore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, TimB84 said: I have an agenda? That’s news to me. Didn't say you, said some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, dta1984 said: Didn't say you, said some of you. What agenda do “some of us” have? Are people going to think we’re cool? Are we going to get laid tonight? Are we going to get a raise? All because we posted some extremist pro-mask, pro-vax stuff on a weather forum?! Inquiring minds want to know! Edit: in a coronavirus thread on a weather forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoeppeya Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, TimB84 said: What agenda do “some of us” have? Are people going to think we’re cool? Are we going to get laid tonight? Are we going to get a raise? All because we posted some extremist pro-mask, pro-vax stuff on a weather forum?! Inquiring minds want to know! All things at the top of my agenda 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TimB84 said: What agenda do “some of us” have? Are people going to think we’re cool? Are we going to get laid tonight? Are we going to get a raise? All because we posted some extremist pro-mask, pro-vax stuff on a weather forum?! Inquiring minds want to know! You have issues man. You know damn well there's people with personal insults in this thread. That's not how things get done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 44 minutes ago, Wmsptwx said: Is there much information yet on the vaccines ability to protect from P1 variant? This seems to be the most aggressive variant yet in terms of death and younger people being very ill. New data came out since this and Pfizer is 91% vs South African. Moderna is likely same efficacy vs P1 as Pfizer or pretty close. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 I really do not care if you are pro mask, pro vax or whatever. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaryWarren Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 And no one cares what you think about anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb65 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, dta1984 said: Yes it will be , he called me out without checking his facts. It's well documented about masks and infections. We are not arguing over opinions. You are claiming that there is a well documented link between masks and causing/increasing infections as if it is common sense then refusing to provide evidence of the claim is pretty telling. It's just like yesterday when the claim was made that Florida fudged their covid data while simultaneously refusing to put forward any evidence to support the position. You have frequently called people out for using this sort of tactic. I think it's pretty obvious that any "evidence " you could come up with to suggest that masks cause infections would either be extremely low quality evidence e.g. anecdotes or some forum of anti mask conspiracy nonsense. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, mattb65 said: You are claiming that there is a well documented link between masks and causing/increasing infections as if it is common sense then refusing to provide evidence of the claim is pretty telling. It's just like yesterday when the claim was made that Florida fudged their covid data while simultaneously refusing to put forward any evidence to support the position. You have frequently called people out for using this sort of tactic. I think it's pretty obvious that any "evidence " you could come up with to suggest that masks cause infections would either be extremely low quality evidence e.g. anecdotes or some forum of anti mask conspiracy nonsense. I posted an article. If you disagree with it fine, but don't say I don't have evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb65 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, dta1984 said: I posted an article. If you disagree with it fine, but don't say I don't have evidence. The article you posted did not say that wearing a mask increases the risk of infection, it claimed. 1. Masks can cause acne "mascne" especially if you use fabric softener. 2. Mask wearing may promote mouth breathing which may lead to dry mouth, bad breath and tooth decay (this all seems like a stretch to me) 3. If people fail to wash their hands after frequently adjusting their masks, maybe they could increase their infection risk. So the article recommends using the elastics to remove the mask. So no, the article you posted did not provide evidence to support your position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 hour ago, mattb65 said: The article you posted did not say that starting a mask increases the risk of infection, it claimed. 1. Masks can cause acne "mascne" especially if you use fabric softener. 2. Mask wearing may promote mouth breathing which may lead to dry mouth, bad breath and tooth decay (this all seems like a stretch to me) 3. If people fail to wash their hands after frequently adjusting their masks, maybe they could increase their infection risk. So the article recommends using the elastics to remove the mask. So no, the article you posted did not provide evidence to support your position. This argument is over a "dirty mask". The WHO posted it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoeppeya Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Random side discussion-any of you guys (or gals) have kids that play sports wearing masks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, mattb65 said: The article you posted did not say that starting a mask increases the risk of infection, it claimed. 1. Masks can cause acne "mascne" especially if you use fabric softener. 2. Mask wearing may promote mouth breathing which may lead to dry mouth, bad breath and tooth decay (this all seems like a stretch to me) 3. If people fail to wash their hands after frequently adjusting their masks, maybe they could increase their infection risk. So the article recommends using the elastics to remove the mask. So no, the article you posted did not provide evidence to support your position. So let's say the article is wrong. Are you saying it's ok to wear a dirty mask then? Of course not, what are we arguing over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Here I'll spoon feed some more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, dta1984 said: Starting a mask? This argument is over a "dirty mask". The WHO posted it as well. I think it’s time to make my exit for the day now that we’ve gone into full on typo police mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TimB84 said: I think it’s time to make my exit for the day now that we’ve gone into full on typo police mode. Lol trying to point out something funny, ease up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimB Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, schoeppeya said: Random side discussion-any of you guys (or gals) have kids that play sports wearing masks? No kids here, but I’m very much against kids playing sports wearing masks. If it’s so much of a risk that they have to wear a mask on the field/court, maybe the thought process should be more along the lines of whether or not sports should be played at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb65 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 10 minutes ago, dta1984 said: So let's say the article is wrong. Are you saying it's ok to wear a dirty mask then? Of course not, what are we arguing over? At least in the last few pages you only wrote about contaminated masks so I'll give you that, obviously anyone wearing a contaminated or visibly dirty mask probably has more things than covid to worry about. Most of the anti mask crazies (not you) wildly exaggerate the risk of causing bacterial pneumonia or other infections or blocking air flow or other similar misinformation. The gist of the conversation seemed to be drifting towards that anti mask nonsense but I want to be fair that you aren't making those claims. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, mattb65 said: At least in the last few pages you only wrote about contaminated masks so I'll give you that, obviously anyone wearing a contaminated or visibly dirty mask probably has more things than covid to worry about. Most of the anti mask crazies (not you) wildly exaggerate the risk of causing bacterial pneumonia or other infections or blocking air flow or other similar misinformation. The gist of the conversation seemed to be drifting towards that anti mask nonsense but I want to be fair that you aren't making those claims. I've never said otherwise. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoeppeya Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 2 minutes ago, TimB84 said: No kids here, but I’m very much against kids playing sports wearing masks. If it’s so much of a risk that they have to wear a mask on the field/court, maybe the thought process should be more along the lines of whether or not sports should be played at all. Agree 100% with you here. Just curious because I have a coworker whose kids play their rec league basketball in masks... would rather them just not play myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattb65 Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 13 minutes ago, schoeppeya said: Agree 100% with you here. Just curious because I have a coworker whose kids play their rec league basketball in masks... would rather them just not play myself. My 1st grade aged son has been going to in person school all year and wears a mask the whole day except for lunch including during PE. I wouldn't have a problem with him doing sports even if they required masks. He has adapted to wearing it no problem and the school as a whole has successfully navigated >3/4th of the school year without any infections. He's done cub scouts and has needed to wear masks on a hike and during recreational activity like biking during scouts. We've had him doing swim lessons without any masks for obvious reasons. Staying physically and socially active even with the potential covid risks and even with having to wear masks when doing those activities provides way more benefits to his well being than not doing them in my opinion. Generally speaking, hawaii has had a much lower level of covid than almost anywhere in the US, if it was more widespread I might have needed to adjust the activities somewhat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schoeppeya Posted April 7, 2021 Share Posted April 7, 2021 Just now, mattb65 said: My 1st grade aged son has been going to in person school all year and wears a mask the whole day except for lunch including during PE. I wouldn't have a problem with him doing sports even if they required masks. He has adapted to wearing it no problem and the school as a whole has successfully navigated >3/4th of the school year without any infections. He's done cub scouts and has needed to wear masks on a hike and during recreational activity like biking during scouts. We've had him doing swim lessons without any masks for obvious reasons. Staying physically and socially active even with the potential covid risks and even with having to wear masks when doing those activities provides way more benefits to his well being than not doing them in my opinion. Generally speaking, hawaii has had a much lower level of covid than almost anywhere in the US, if it was more widespread I might have needed to adjust the activities somewhat. You disagree with the WHO statement that you shouldn't wear a mask while doing physical activities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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