winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 39 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Even setting aside 2 hours per week can result in a lot of benefits, especially if you also have a job that requires you to be on your feet a lot. That is a lot of time spent moving around. Anyway, isn't this the covid thread? Definitely. 2 hours is enough to have major benefits. And yeah it's a Covid thread. Exercise is a way to reduce Covid risks, so I think it's worth talking about. Not only because people in great shape through exercise are at much lower risk of being a severe case if they catch Covid, but exercise also reduces the risk of catching a virus. When you exercise, immune cells are sent all over the body which can choke off invading viruses. So I think it's important for people to know how important exercise is at a time like this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Cases are actually higher than last Monday on worldometers. Not a good sign Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Yesterday's numbers have been revised up by almost 7k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said: Cases are actually higher than last Monday on worldometers. Not a good sign Didn't think it would be, but California....not good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchener poster Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Really starting to grasp at straws in finding things to do out of the house. Two very young kids (4&1). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 minutes ago, dan11295 said: Didn't think it would be, but California....not good. DAMN!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, wxtrix said: suddenly starting to exercise now won’t keep someone from getting covid. no one deserves a serious outcome because of their weight, and overweight people deserve the same lack of blame as people who are not obese, despite your inexpert fat-shaming. I am not fat shaming at all. I would NEVER make fun of anyone for being overweight. This is about saving lives. Any medical expert will tell you that reducing weight reduces the chance of having a bad outcome with Covid. The CDC put out a major study on that a few weeks ago. I'm sure you heard about Prime Minister Boris Johnson almost dying from Covid earlier this year. Afterwards he said his weight was the main reason that happened. Since then he lost a lot of weight and started a major government anti obesity program over there. Is he fat shaming by starting that program? Your attitude on this is really bad. Don't know what your problem is. Of course no one deserves a bad outcome due to their weight. But people deserve to know what to do to reduce their chance of having a bad outcome. Just WOW at your attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Hoosier said: Agree and disagree. I'd say eating healthy is a privilege, but exercising not as much. You don't need to set aside hours a day to benefit from exercise, and you don't even need equipment. There is the saying that "you can't outtrain a bad diet," and calories add up quickly if you're living on junk/fast food, which can certainly make staying in shape more difficult, but not impossible. Considering that a lot of people could stand to lose 50-100 pounds, it's more of a longer term/general health goal and not something that going to help much in this current round of covid. It doesn't seem like a big deal to you because you are a single guy. Now imagine having to find time while having a family, suddenly that exercise time vanishes. A lot of people say it is easy but they really don't know how hard it is for people. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 All of this dietary nonsense is fine to say in hindsight but that is all hindsight and irrelevant to now. Honestly it could be dumped out of the thread because outside of a passing thought doesn't really matter to the current state of affairs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Hoosier said: Even setting aside 2 hours per week can result in a lot of benefits, especially if you also have a job that requires you to be on your feet a lot. That is a lot of time spent moving around. Anyway, isn't this the covid thread? Yes it is, the diet stuff should head to the OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 11 minutes ago, Stebo said: All of this dietary nonsense is fine to say in hindsight but that is all hindsight and irrelevant to now. Honestly it could be dumped out of the thread because outside of a passing thought doesn't really matter to the current state of affairs. It's not irrelevant because all it takes is a matter of weeks to reduce things like weight and blood pressure, which reduces the chance of severe outcomes with Covid. This is a long term pandemic, so there's always time for people to do things to reduce risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, winterwx21 said: It's not irrelevant because all it takes is a matter of weeks to reduce things like weight and blood pressure, which reduces the chance of severe outcomes with Covid. This is a long term pandemic, so there's always time for people to do things to reduce risk. Guess what buddy, covid is impacting everyone, so dietary issues are irrelevant. It was already debunked in this thread when another poster wanted to roll in and fat shame people. Like I said if you want to talk dietary issues, there is an Off Topic subforum here, go there and post to your heart's content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just take a walk 4head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, the ghost of leroy said: Just take a walk 4head Yeah its so simple, just a bit of exercise and you are safe from covid. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 5 minutes ago, Stebo said: Guess what buddy, covid is impacting everyone, so dietary issues are irrelevant. It was already debunked in this thread when another poster wanted to roll in and fat shame people. Like I said if you want to talk dietary issues, there is an Off Topic subforum here, go there and post to your heart's content. I guess that's why the CDC and UT Southwestern are putting out studies showing that being overweight greatly increases the risk of bad outcomes with Covid. This is about saving lives, not fat shaming. You have top medical experts talking about this. There is absolutely nothing wrong with talking about what people can do to reduce Covid risks. Puzzling that some people take offense to this. Trying to save lives is a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Stebo said: Yeah its so simple, just a bit of exercise and you are safe from covid. Of course it does not make you safe from Covid, but it does reduce risk somewhat. Would you rather have a high risk, or a lower risk? You're not using common sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, winterwx21 said: I guess that's why the CDC and UT Southwestern are putting out studies showing that being overweight greatly increases the risk of bad outcomes with Covid. This is about saving lives, not fat shaming. You have top medical experts talking about this. There is absolutely nothing wrong with talking about what people can do to reduce Covid risks. Puzzling that some people take offense to this. Trying to save lives is a good thing. Because we are talking about issues that are here now. All of this is hindsight which is irrelevant. Also why do you suddenly drop into this thread today talking only about this, spend more time in your subforum and less in this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, winterwx21 said: Of course it does not make you safe from Covid, but it does reduce risk somewhat. Would you rather have a high risk, or a lower risk? You're not using common sense. It is still risk either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Stebo said: It is still risk either way. Most people would agree that that's a bad way of looking at it. It's better having a slight risk of something bad happening than a high risk. There are medical experts talking about how people can reduce risk of a bad outcome from Covid by losing weight. It's something worth talking about because it can save lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the ghost of leroy Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Buy a Peleton if you have to stay home with the kids. It’s what my nanny did because she leaves my place after dark and doesn’t feel safe walking in her hood on the other side of town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, winterwx21 said: Most people would agree that that's a bad way of looking at it. It's better having a slight risk of something bad happening than a high risk. There are medical experts talking about how people can reduce risk of a bad outcome from Covid by losing weight. It's something worth talking about because it can save lives. For someone to lose weight in weeks to go from obese or overweight to a 'healthy' weight would be incredibly dangerous in of itself. You really don't know what you are talking about here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, wxtrix said: my attitude is fine. you are the one fat-shaming because the fact is that people who are not overweight are having issues with covid too. you are singling out one area where you feel free to shame others and are ignoring all of the factual context surrounding the victims of this disease. people of color make up the majority of obese adults in this country. the issues that bedevil communities of color were already brought up by Purduewx80. it's telling that you are completely ignoring those facts. Of course there are people who are not overweight that are having issues with Covid. But they are a much smaller percentage. For people that are overweight it's a much higher percentage. Just read the studies from the CDC and UT Southwestern. The statistics are overwhelming. You are going against medical science with your attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Stebo said: For someone to lose weight in weeks to go from obese or overweight to a 'healthy' weight would be incredibly dangerous in of itself. You really don't know what you are talking about here. I never said from obese to normal weight in weeks. I know that takes much more time. But you can go from overweight to normal weight in a matter of weeks, especially if only slightly overweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, wxtrix said: they are putting out studies so overweight people take more precautions and stay home as much as possible. good grief! their guidance isn't fat shaming! It's not just that. Here is a quote... "Given the significant threat Covid-19 represents to individuals with obesity, healthy food policies can play a supportive - and especially important role in Covid-19 mortality and morbidity," Barry Popkin, Ph.D., professor of of nutrition at the UNC Gillings School Of Public Health said at the time of the CDC study. Your attitude on this is just puzzling, wxtrix. Medical experts trying to help people to reduce risk is not fat shaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 9 minutes ago, wxtrix said: i'm not fooled by your concern trolling. That's when you know that a person knows that they're wrong, when they can't even respond to a good point. You're going against proven medical science, and that's something that no intelligent person can deny. And weird that you take offense so easily. No wonder you've had so much trouble getting along with people on these boards for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 35 minutes ago, Stebo said: It doesn't seem like a big deal to you because you are a single guy. Now imagine having to find time while having a family, suddenly that exercise time vanishes. A lot of people say it is easy but they really don't know how hard it is for people. 2 hours per week comes out to 15-20 minutes per day. It's hard for me to buy that people can't find that amount of time sometime during the day. Get up a little earlier or do it after the kids go to bed. Heck, if not 2 hours per week, then do the most you can. It's not about getting into marathon shape or preparing for a bodybuilding contest... just improving on your health and fitness. If you're only modestly overweight, that is something you can work on right now and perhaps make it statistically less likely that you'll develop severe covid (important to point out that severe covid is not necessarily the same thing as long-hauler covid). If you're obese, then make it a long term goal and do whatever you can to minimize your risk of catching covid in the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 Just now, Hoosier said: 2 hours per week comes out to 15-20 minutes per day. It's hard for me to buy that people can't find that amount of time sometime during the day. Get up a little earlier or do it after the kids go to bed. Heck, if not 2 hours per week, then do the most you can. It's not about getting into marathon shape or preparing for a bodybuilding contest... just improving on your health and fitness. If you're only modestly overweight, that is something you can work on right now and perhaps make it statistically less likely that you'll develop severe covid (important to point out that severe covid is not necessarily the same thing as long-hauler covid). If you're obese, then make it a long term goal and do whatever you can to minimize your risk of catching covid in the next few months. A lot of it is just a 'duh' talking point though. Obviously being in better health would combat COVID just like it would combat every other health issue. But it is stuff that takes time in a situation absent of time, based upon every day risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winterwx21 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Hoosier said: 2 hours per week comes out to 15-20 minutes per day. It's hard for me to buy that people can't find that amount of time sometime during the day. Get up a little earlier or do it after the kids go to bed. Heck, if not 2 hours per week, then do the most you can. It's not about getting into marathon shape or preparing for a bodybuilding contest... just improving on your health and fitness. If you're only modestly overweight, that is something you can work on right now and perhaps make it statistically less likely that you'll develop severe covid (important to point out that severe covid is not necessarily the same thing as long-hauler covid). If you're obese, then make it a long term goal and do whatever you can to minimize your risk of catching covid in the next few months. And the studies show that risk of severe covid increases with each level of overweight and obesity, so even just losing a little weight can help. Too bad some people take offense so easily. This is not about fat shaming at all. It's about trying to save lives, because there are plenty of people that don't know about the weight issue with Covid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, winterwx21 said: And the studies show that risk of severe covid increases with each level of overweight and obesity, so even just losing a little weight can help. Too bad some people take offense so easily. This is not about fat shaming at all. It's about trying to save lives, because there are plenty of people that don't know about the weight issue with Covid. You have rolled in acting like diet and exercise is a magic bullet. Also you keep refusing to read the room, this literally has been discussed already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted November 24, 2020 Share Posted November 24, 2020 2 hours ago, wxtrix said: say you’re a single mom who works. what 20 minutes do you spend walking around the block, assuming you live in a neighborhood that is safe? Can your kids walk? There’s buses and trains that go by parks? the easy, lazy way out is to say it’s not accessible when if you try, anything is accessible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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