Hoosier Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Deaths right now are basically even with the peak of the summer wave and about to surpass. Unfortunately with the rapidly growing numbers as of late, we know where this is heading. In the spring we had days with over 2k deaths, but not 3k (unless it was a 1 day dump). I fear we are headed for some days of 3k this winter if we don't turn this around soon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cincy12 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 hours ago, bl5585 said: Plus you don't have to take off a mask to grocery shop. At a minimum people will take off their masks to eat for Thanksgiving. Just like going to a restaurant? Somehow the risk magically goes away when I sit down? Now I can “take my mask off”? Meanwhile, I got the sick cook cooking my plate, the sick bartender making me a drink, just to have the sick waitress/waiter hand me my food and drink? Same applies when I’m at the grocery store. Sick individual, decides they don’t want the crappy stuffing anymore and puts it back on the shelve. I proceed to touch and purchase said crappy stuffing.Only to have the guy behind me coughing and not wearing a mask. Guess what, I’m now infected. Is that a lot of “what if’s” sure it is, but don’t think the mask is the end all be all.? So what’s the plan? Hotdog or a laughing face? That should suffice. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bl5585 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cincy12 said: Just like going to a restaurant? Somehow the risk magically goes away when I sit down? Now I can “take my mask off”? Did you maybe read that out of context? I wasn't saying that at all and was just adding to StormfanaticInd's point. I think that eating with anyone that isn't in your household is an unnecessary risk no matter what the setting is. I'm also not saying that grocery stores are perfect but people need to get food somehow. If people reasonably follow the guidelines it does reduce the risk considerably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I think at this point we know certain situations result in higher risk of both transmission and super spreader events. being indoors, not wearing a mask, not having good indoor ventilation when indoors, and amount of time spent indoors/in proximity to someone exposed are all factors. This is why an outdoor protest where high percentage wear masks results in much lower transmission then sitting down and eating at a restaurant and casual indoor social gatherings. A short trip to the grocery store assuming all wear masks (they do here in Mass.) has fairly minimal risk IMHO. I am only in there 15-20 minutes if I know what I am buying when I go in. Duration of potential exposure is important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary67 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 9 hours ago, mississaugasnow said: I can't wait to post that I got an 18" storm when the airport and others around me say only 6" fell. Not my problem I measured in a drift and since we've all given up on facts it would be a fact that my measurement is correct. But please don't ask me to go measure the bare ground beside the snow drift, that's fake news. Perception is reality. And with social media you can express your perceptions to alot of people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary67 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 hours ago, Angrysummons said: dta, I get it. You want special rights, enforced by the government to ignore weakening health care system. Classic elitism. Its called a public heath emergency. Deal with it. Respect your tribe. Its like affirmative action lovers demanding their individual needs to be met due to the awful racists who won't let their individual persons "succeed". Its why Democrats sucked down ballet(but if it gets rid of Pelosi and Chucky the loser, good for that party) in the 2020 election despite a widespread anti-Trump vote. Looking for special rights is bad. Is shows preference for crass individual theory over Indo-European tribal traditions. Atlas is a Anti-American Lukudist. Of course he wants us to get sicker. I love lukudist. Seasoned dried white fish served with a side of pancakes at my favorite Swedish restaurant.lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Damn they're really rushing the grocery stores up north? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 I think nearly all of the additional transmission this fall can be attributed to decreasing humidity. The measures that kept R near 1 during much of the summer don't do that now. Theres been little difference in mobility or in mask use over the past month. If we want to reduce transmission, there needs to be more done now than in the summer. Chance are things get worse before they better. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.11.13.20231472v1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dan11295 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 hours ago, Hoosier said: Deaths right now are basically even with the peak of the summer wave and about to surpass. Unfortunately with the rapidly growing numbers as of late, we know where this is heading. In the spring we had days with over 2k deaths, but not 3k (unless it was a 1 day dump). I fear we are headed for some days of 3k this winter if we don't turn this around soon. Yeah, as we move into December daily numbers going back to 2k+ is basically baked into the system based on the current case load and known CFR which has not changed much since August. Until the numbers start to stabilize how much is baked into the system will continue to increase. Hopefully stuff like that the Antibody treatment just approved and currently being sent to states will be able to bring the CFR down a bit more going forward if it does reduce hospitalizations/mortality. But limited supply and you need a system get it to high risk positive individuals soon after infection (this part is a bit tricky as this is for early in course of infection NOT when you already need to go to the hospital). But if hospitals get further strained as they already are in many places, standard of care gets reduced and CFR goes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 8 hours ago, Hoosier said: Deaths right now are basically even with the peak of the summer wave and about to surpass. Unfortunately with the rapidly growing numbers as of late, we know where this is heading. In the spring we had days with over 2k deaths, but not 3k (unless it was a 1 day dump). I fear we are headed for some days of 3k this winter if we don't turn this around soon. I would be shocked if deaths go above what they did in April due to far better treatment and therapeutics. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: I would be shocked if deaths go above what they did in April due to far better treatment and therapeutics. I’d be surprised too, but also we may run way past the number of infections from the spring depending on how the next few weeks go, hard to know though with the limited testing occurring in the spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 10 minutes ago, DCTeacherman said: I’d be surprised too, but also we may run way past the number of infections from the spring depending on how the next few weeks go, hard to know though with the limited testing occurring in the spring. I wouldn't. In fact I think they will. Transmission peaked on June 20th for the summer wave. Deaths, hospitalizations, and icu numbers basicallu doubled from that time until late July. We could stop transmission now and we would still go to 150k hospitalizations and over 2000 deaths per day in December. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: I wouldn't. In fact I think they will. Transmission peaked on June 20th for the summer wave. Deaths, hospitalizations, and icu numbers basicallu doubled from that time until late July. We could stop transmission now and we would still go to 150k hospitalizations and over 2000 deaths per day in December. Ugh yeah, what a mess. Really a shame were at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Canada is getting worse at this point too. We started at a lower baseline per capita but the exponential growth is substantial. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Happy Covid 19 anniversary https://www.newsweek.com/one-year-first-covid-case-china-1547200 Actually might have been earlier than we thought? https://nairametrics.com/2020/11/16/covid-19-coronavirus-in-italy-since-september-2019-researchers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 43 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: Canada is getting worse at this point too. We started at a lower baseline per capita but the exponential growth is substantial. You brought up the dropping humidity. From looking at case numbers in different states it is clear that temperatures are not the only factor. Sure colder weather draws more people indoors, but it doesn't explain the rise in transmission in places like Florida or southern California very well. Believe it or not the exact triggers for increased transmission or seasonal respiratory viruses isn't known very well, although it is probably a combination of things come climatic and physiological. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Italy back to where they were in the spring Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 The Tuesday death dump rears its head. 84 confirmed plus 5 probable for Indiana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 23 minutes ago, Hoosier said: The Tuesday death dump rears its head. 84 confirmed plus 5 probable for Indiana. Overall case growth in many states, including Indiana started to accelerate more rapidly about 3 weeks ago (roughly the time lag between case and death reporting). 4 & 5 weeks ago U.S. cases went up by ~7000 over the 7-day report. 3 weeks ago it rose to 17,000. 2 Weeks ago 33,000. Last week 40,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomeguyfromTakomaPark Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 One region that has largely escaped both previous waves is the DC-Baltimore corridor. Today was one of the largest combined case counts for VA+MD+DC since the beginning of all of this. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. In my area mask compliance and social distancing are pretty well followed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Fort Wayne area is adding restrictions. https://wpta21.com/2020/11/17/new-allen-county-covid-19-restrictions-to-impact-bars-restaurants-and-events/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
outflow Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Michigan restaurant and loggging association is suing the state over the new ban on indoor dining https://www.record-eagle.com/state/restaurants-sue-to-try-to-stop-new-whitmer-ban-on-dining/article_456b9290-2224-536d-867b-d370ece67fe2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Illinois with 12,601 new cases and 97 deaths. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, outflow said: Michigan restaurant and loggging association is suing the state over the new ban on indoor dining https://www.record-eagle.com/state/restaurants-sue-to-try-to-stop-new-whitmer-ban-on-dining/article_456b9290-2224-536d-867b-d370ece67fe2.html As they should. There is no PPP this go around. There are several restaurants that went out of business already this year around my area. This is their livelihoods. Really easy to say shut everything down when you have a steady government paycheck coming in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KokomoWX Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Some good news... Immunity to the Coronavirus May Last Years, New Data Hint https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/17/health/coronavirus-immunity.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: As they should. There is no PPP this go around. There are several restaurants that went out of business already this year around my area. This is their livelihoods. Really easy to say shut everything down when you have a steady government paycheck coming in. Seems like there should be so governments tax payers, and businesses don't have to choose between sickness and death or financial ruin. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: Seems like there should be so governments tax payers, and businesses don't have to choose between sickness and death or financial ruin. I agree but the current admin has completely checked out. Go look at Mitchs and Trumps twitter. Even when Jan 20th comes there is virtually no hope for the American people of any stimulus package going through. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan11295 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, SchaumburgStormer said: Illinois with 12,601 new cases and 97 deaths. At least that number is not up from last Tuesday, maybe transmission rate is starting to stabilize a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SchaumburgStormer Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, dan11295 said: At least that number is not up from last Tuesday, maybe transmission rate is starting to stabilize a bit. Sounds like pritzker is making an announcement on statewide restrictions today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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