Chicago Storm Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share Posted November 7, 2020 remember...election day is over, rona doesn’t exist anymore.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 About 55k hospitalizations nationwide, roughly 5k less than the summer peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etudiant Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 35 minutes ago, OSUmetstud said: The CDC never had the ability to make up for the test failure early on because the administration wouldn't let them to take the lead on the pandemic. Public health is what they do, they are supposed to be in charge in all of this. The HHS put political pressure on them often and did political review of scientific literature. Fauci has been serving this country for 50 freaking years. The right hates him. They have done everything to make it political. He's said to wear mask 1000s of times after the initial stuff in March. The anti-mask rhetoric is not about what fauci said in March. It's just another political tool to justify being anti-mask. This sounds a lot like the "scientists are the problem" that couldn't be father from the truth. I've no idea whether the CDC was prohibited from allowing other countries or industry tests, but they failed to provide a working test themselves because their material was contaminated. That is a failure which the CDC owns, not the White House or others. Likewise, the Fauci flip flops on masks did not serve the country well. I recognize Dr Fauci's long service, but in this case, I think he and his organization failed abysmally. He had lots of access to the microphone, if he felt pressured, he had the power to push back, but he never did. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Just now, etudiant said: I've no idea whether the CDC was prohibited from allowing other countries or industry tests, but they failed to provide a working test themselves because their material was contaminated. That is a failure which the CDC owns, not the White House or others. Likewise, the Fauci flip flops on masks did not serve the country well. I recognize Dr Fauci's long service, but in this case, I think he and his organization failed abysmally. He had lots of access to the microphone, if he felt pressured, he had the power to push back, but he never did. Agreed on the test itself. I'm making a larger point their role as the preeminent public health organization in the county. They were neutered in that role since March by the administration. It is my opinion that Fauci said no masks early on because we didn't understand how much asymptomatic transmission there was at the time and that the data on the effectiveness of public masking was quite flimsy at the time. That it isn't exactly a flip flop since what we didn't understand at the time that public masking was effective. Since, there have been some, albeit not perfect studies, that have shown some effectiveness. They aren't the golden goose, but they should be warn and used as part of an overall public health strategy. I just don't think what Fauci said in March matters that much about what is going on now. The anti-masking stuff is political theater. It's not genuine scientific confusion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 4 minutes ago, etudiant said: I've no idea whether the CDC was prohibited from allowing other countries or industry tests, but they failed to provide a working test themselves because their material was contaminated. That is a failure which the CDC owns, not the White House or others. Likewise, the Fauci flip flops on masks did not serve the country well. I recognize Dr Fauci's long service, but in this case, I think he and his organization failed abysmally. He had lots of access to the microphone, if he felt pressured, he had the power to push back, but he never did. This is water under the bridge. Pointing fingers now is a waste of time, but the CDC and Fauci were throttled by the White House. I watched several of the briefings, and after Fauci spoke strongly on multiple occasions, the President would blow him off, attempt to minimize what he said, and in fact got pissed with him. Anyway, like I said, too late now. I would love to see the CDC be released to do their job the way it should have been done in the first place. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Not the Fauci flip flop talk again. Seemingly a failed administration only has that left to hold on to when they’ve failed us all miserably in terms of organization and leadership. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Well, we are past 132k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Starting to wonder when do we actually peak this winter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Trump will be a lame duck if he loses for 2 critical months of this pandemic. We are screwed folks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Deaths are tragically trending back up too. We’ll be back over 1000 daily average next week most likely. If hospitals start getting overwhelmed I’m sure it’ll trend upward significantly faster. Seeing the death trend in Europe spike, unfortunately that’ll be us in 1-2 weeks. Understandably the election is top news but this is the other huge story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said: Starting to wonder when do we actually peak this winter? We are months away from peaking, barring some interventions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanDe680 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/dr-scott-gottlieb-daily-us-covid-cases-are-at-least-half-a-million.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michsnowfreak Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I tested negative for covid and positive for antibodies, so that's a good sign and gives me a sense of relief going into the holidays that I am likely safe, at least for a little while. But what scary times we live in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ovweather Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 WH Chief of Staff Mark Meadows is now positive for Covid. Bad week for the White House getting worse. Wasn’t Covid suppose to go away after the election? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cary67 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 3 hours ago, OSUmetstud said: Agreed on the test itself. I'm making a larger point their role as the preeminent public health organization in the county. They were neutered in that role since March by the administration. It is my opinion that Fauci said no masks early on because we didn't understand how much asymptomatic transmission there was at the time and that the data on the effectiveness of public masking was quite flimsy at the time. That it isn't exactly a flip flop since what we didn't understand at the time that public masking was effective. Since, there have been some, albeit not perfect studies, that have shown some effectiveness. They aren't the golden goose, but they should be warn and used as part of an overall public health strategy. I just don't think what Fauci said in March matters that much about what is going on now. The anti-masking stuff is political theater. It's not genuine scientific confusion. The fault I would assign Fauci and the CDC would be their reluctance to accept mask wearing initially. Asia has been wearing masks since the original SARS and MERS outbreaks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 minute ago, Cary67 said: The fault I would assign Fauci and the CDC would be their reluctance to accept mask wearing initially. Asia has been wearing masks since the original SARS and MERS outbreaks. True, but I don't believe there was much in the way of scientific studies backing their use. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etudiant Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 What I do not understand is the incoherent nature of the approach in the US and elsewhere in Europe. What is the purpose of testing people other than to allow people who are infected to isolate themselves. Yet it still takes days to get a result, so a good spread to those around the person can be confidently expected and contact tracing is hopeless. Bill Gates, who is no dummy, has called our testing useless, perhaps for that reason, but it continues unchanged. That is very different from the approach followed in Taiwan and South Korea, where the virus has been reasonably contained. Frequent testing and fast tracking appear to work. But neither Europe nor the US appear interested in that course. Perhaps there is an acceptance that the virus is not containable, much as the Swedish health authorities recognized earlier. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 4 hours ago, etudiant said: What I do not understand is the incoherent nature of the approach in the US and elsewhere in Europe. What is the purpose of testing people other than to allow people who are infected to isolate themselves. Yet it still takes days to get a result, so a good spread to those around the person can be confidently expected and contact tracing is hopeless. Bill Gates, who is no dummy, has called our testing useless, perhaps for that reason, but it continues unchanged. That is very different from the approach followed in Taiwan and South Korea, where the virus has been reasonably contained. Frequent testing and fast tracking appear to work. But neither Europe nor the US appear interested in that course. Perhaps there is an acceptance that the virus is not containable, much as the Swedish health authorities recognized earlier. Locally, our tests have a 48-72 hour turnaround. I don't think that's bad considering the numbers being tested. Also, in Indiana, I can get tested daily if I so desire. However, I don't know how government can force frequent testing. A percentage of the population won't even wear a mask. Do you think people with that mindset will agree to the government requiring frequent testing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 We're getting massive community spread. It's already too late for lockdowns. 100-200k new cases a day for foreseeable future? And the real number of infections is likely 5 times higher then confirmed cases. Dr. Scott Gottlieb says actual number of new daily U.S. Covid cases is ‘at least half a million https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/dr-scott-gottlieb-daily-us-covid-cases-are-at-least-half-a-million.html? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 We're getting massive community spread. It's already too late for lockdowns. 100-200k new cases a day for foreseeable future? And the real number of infections is likely 5 times higher then confirmed cases. Dr. Scott Gottlieb says actual number of new daily U.S. Covid cases is ‘at least half a million https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/06/dr-scott-gottlieb-daily-us-covid-cases-are-at-least-half-a-million.html?Honestly that gets us to herd immunity by spring if not sooner. As I’ve said before, we’ve never defeated a pandemic any other way sadly. A vaccine would be awesome but it doesn’t seem like it’s going to be ready in time 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 That statement by Gottlieb surprised me a bit. Early on we were catching about 1 in 10 infections at best, maybe not even that many, but it is discouraging to think that it could still be 1 in 5. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Record day in IN with 5k cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 The packed in crowds standing still on the streets won't help, masked or not. I guess it is getting out of control anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etudiant Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 1 hour ago, IWXwx said: Locally, our tests have a 48-72 hour turnaround. I don't think that's bad considering the numbers being tested. Also, in Indiana, I can get tested daily if I so desire. However, I don't know how government can force frequent testing. A percentage of the population won't even wear a mask. Do you think people with that mindset will agree to the government requiring frequent testing? You raise a valid concern. The Asian testing regimes all have as a common basis the ability of the authorities to track all phone carriers, indefinitely. That is quite unacceptable to many Americans, even as they blithely allow Google and others to monitor their location along with every keystroke they make. Absent the Asian approach, it seems that Sweden has chosen a viable alternative, which is to prevent mass gatherings which would generate huge surges in caseload, but keep business as usual mostly, letting the health services cope with the victims. That minimizes the toll fairly effectively while also limiting the catastrophic economic damage generated by lockdowns. I just wonder how Dr Fauci reconciles his push for extensive lockdowns with his Hippocratic oath: to above all, do no harm. The lockdowns have not really helped, but they have certainly ruined many and made us all much more indebted, with no visible benefit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I wonder how long are healthcare workers can hold up under this stress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 JB (not that one) sounding the alarm. I'm sure this would go over well. Gov. Pritzker Says He Can't Rule Out Stay-at-Home Order in Coming Weeks "I'm not looking at the broader mitigation of stay-at-home as something I would do in the coming days or week, but I can't guarantee you what it looks like two weeks from now or three weeks from now - I just don't know" https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/gov-pritzker-says-he-cant-rule-out-stay-at-home-order-in-coming-weeks/2365433/?amp 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Virtual Christmas will be a blast. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted November 7, 2020 Author Share Posted November 7, 2020 JB (not that one) sounding the alarm. I'm sure this would go over well. Gov. Pritzker Says He Can't Rule Out Stay-at-Home Order in Coming Weeks "I'm not looking at the broader mitigation of stay-at-home as something I would do in the coming days or week, but I can't guarantee you what it looks like two weeks from now or three weeks from now - I just don't know" https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/gov-pritzker-says-he-cant-rule-out-stay-at-home-order-in-coming-weeks/2365433/?amphe’s just not happy his fair tax amendment wasn’t passed. ever since it was turned down, he has been in a not so great mood. . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Over 12,000 new cases in Illinois. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Virtual Christmas will be a blast.In your opinion do you think future restrictions will be this intense? I’m flying into Detroit on Dec 20th thru the 6th for the Holidays. I hope we don’t have Christmas actually cancelled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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