Hoosier Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:02 PM, Frog Town said: Weird. Here in Toledo I'd say it's like 1% that doesn't were a mask. Actually, I was in Kroger just today and didn't see a single person without a mask. We have very different Governors though. DeWine has actually had a great balance. Expand Gov Holcomb actually wanted a fine for people not wearing a mask, but the state atty general pushed back on it and it never happened (a factor could've been that there's some personal beef between the two which posters in IN may know what I'm referring to) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 60k+ on a Sunday. Smh This is going to be a very bad week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:26 PM, StormfanaticInd said: 60k+ on a Sunday. Smh This is going to be a very bad week Expand All is happening before Thanksgiving. Btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:10 PM, RobertSul said: How many more months until a vaccine comes out? How are uninsured people going to get access to any of this after ACA is struck down? Long-term effects still aren’t fully understood, but let’s give up on trying to control the spread. Expand Exactly, them saying we give up right now as things skyrocket is just insane. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted October 25, 2020 Share Posted October 25, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 11:41 PM, Stebo said: Exactly, them saying we give up right now as things skyrocket is just insane. Expand This administration has really messed this up in every conceivable way possible. Just shameful . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSul Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 7:31 PM, dta1984 said: I'll go ahead and add the full quote. This administration was in an impossible position, and has had ups and downs. “We’re not going to control the pandemic. We are going to control the fact that we get vaccines, therapeutics and other mitigation efforts,” Expand An impossible position? We have the worst death rate of developed nations. Why do you even bother voting for such an important position if you don’t think the person you’re voting for should be held accountable for anything? Also, how are these therapeutics going to work when hospitals are already having to ration supplies, while cases are still going up? Utah is going to have to in a week or two, and hospitalization rates lag behind positive cases. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/25/with-coronavirus-cases/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I feel for the hospitals because they are about to get absolutely slammed in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:02 AM, RobertSul said: An impossible position? We have the worst death rate of developed nations. Why do you even bother voting for such an important position if you don’t think the person you’re voting for should be held accountable for anything? Also, how are these therapeutics going to work when hospitals are already having to ration supplies, while cases are still going up? Utah is going to have to in a week or two, and hospitalization rates lag behind positive cases. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/25/with-coronavirus-cases/ Expand Maybe you didn't quite comprehend what I said. I said they were in an impossible position. That is a fact, this is unprecedented. The response they have had has had ups and downs. That part is up for debate, and obviously your political views will cloud your response. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSul Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 “Impossible situation” for the most powerful country on Earth. https://www.emsworld.com/news/1225033/us-has-highest-covid-19-death-rate-developed-world 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSul Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:11 AM, dta1984 said: Maybe you didn't quite comprehend what I said. I said they were in an impossible position. That is a fact, this is unprecedented. The response they have had has had ups and downs. That part is up for debate, and obviously your political views will cloud your response. Expand The only reason this was an impossible situation is we have someone who yields a lot of influence on impressionable minds saying from the start that this was a hoax. And then there were less than 15 cases and it’d be gone. And then it’d go away in April. And then belittled reporters/political opponents for wearing a mask. The fact that you don’t see the trend here speaks volumes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:11 AM, dta1984 said: Maybe you didn't quite comprehend what I said. I said they were in an impossible position. That is a fact, this is unprecedented. The response they have had has had ups and downs. That part is up for debate, and obviously your political views will cloud your response. Expand It isn't impossible, we have the worst rates around. Other developed nations don't have nearly the problems. Every time someone disagrees with you, you complain "its political views clouding". Maybe it is your lack of understanding the dire situation that is clouding your judgement. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:15 AM, RobertSul said: The only reason this was an impossible situation is we have someone who yields a lot of influence on impressionable minds saying from the start that this was a hoax. And then there were less than 15 cases and it’d be gone. And then it’d go away in April. And then belittled reporters/political opponents for wearing a mask. The fact that you don’t see the trend here speaks volumes. Expand "Its political" says someone that doesn't want to acknowledge that one political party is purposely doing the least possible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:17 AM, Stebo said: It isn't impossible, we have the worst rates around. Other developed nations don't have nearly the problems. Every time someone disagrees with you, you complain "its political views clouding". Maybe it is your lack of understanding the dire situation that is clouding your judgement. Expand It is a damn unprecedented epidemic. It is an impossible situation. No it's your closed minded views clouding yourself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:19 AM, dta1984 said: It is a damn unprecedented epidemic. It is an impossible situation. No it's your closed minded views clouding yourself. Expand You really are lost here, you'd do yourself a favor and stop posting because you are really out of your element on this one. It is not impossible, other countries have limited infection rates because their leadership actually cares and did something. So don't bitch about politics because I am pointing to other countries, not this one. This country's leadership did nothing. Period. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/25/2020 at 9:17 PM, Stebo said: Yeah I don't mean a law, but at least messaging from the Feds. There is no messaging at all from the feds even to this point. Expand You still haven't explained how this would change those who are not wearing masks. Ok so you don't want it enforced.... So the "feds" saying they recommend you wear a mask will really change anything? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malacka11 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 If it's impossible then why has it been done in other countries? Don't tell me it's because they're smaller, because you'd be the first to say that they're also poorer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSul Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:19 AM, dta1984 said: It is a damn unprecedented epidemic. It is an impossible situation. No it's your closed minded views clouding yourself. Expand Why was controlled spread *possible* for other countries? Why is it impossible for us? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:22 AM, dta1984 said: You still haven't explained how this would change those who are not wearing masks. Ok so you don't want it enforced.... So the "feds" saying they recommend you wear a mask will really change anything? Expand Yes because people blindly follow what this administration does. Like how do you not have any sort of situational awareness? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:22 AM, dta1984 said: You still haven't explained how this would change those who are not wearing masks. Ok so you don't want it enforced.... So the "feds" saying they recommend you wear a mask will really change anything? Expand Influence. Are you even trying right now? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:02 AM, RobertSul said: An impossible position? We have the worst death rate of developed nations. Why do you even bother voting for such an important position if you don’t think the person you’re voting for should be held accountable for anything? Also, how are these therapeutics going to work when hospitals are already having to ration supplies, while cases are still going up? Utah is going to have to in a week or two, and hospitalization rates lag behind positive cases. https://www.sltrib.com/news/2020/10/25/with-coronavirus-cases/ Expand We might want to revisit this in a month or two, to be fair. The spread in Europe is much worse right now. They managed much better than the US early in the summer but also got too complacent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:23 AM, Stebo said: Yes because people blindly follow what this administration does. Like how do you not have any sort of situational awareness? Expand Without any personal attacks, I am asking how will a mask mandate at the federal level....that is not enforced... change your local issue ? Seems you need to be focusing on your own state and how it's being handled there first. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:24 AM, OSUmetstud said: Influence. Are you even trying right now? Expand I disagree on how much influence there is. It's up for debate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSul Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:24 AM, OSUmetstud said: Influence. Are you even trying right now? Expand He’s been trained into thinking this administration can do no wrong, and if something does happen, it’s either someone else’s fault or it’s an “impossible” situation. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:31 AM, dta1984 said: I disagree on how much influence there is. It's up for debate. Expand Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:31 AM, RobertSul said: He’s been trained into thinking this administration can do no wrong, and if something does happen, it’s either someone else’s fault or it’s an “impossible” situation. Expand I said they have had ups and downs in the response. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:32 AM, OSUmetstud said: Lol. Expand Lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoMo Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 "Forcing" people to wear masks, just makes people not do it to 'fight against the government'. Masks aren't stopping the spread, they lower the risk, but it's not a magical thing that's going to change people's habits when it comes to hand washing and social distancing, which is something people are tired of as it is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:37 AM, JoMo said: "Forcing" people to wear masks, just makes people not do it to 'fight against the government'. Masks aren't stopping the spread, they lower the risk, but it's not a magical thing that's going to change people's habits when it comes to hand washing and social distancing, which is something people are tired of as it is. Expand We need leadership. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSul Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 12:37 AM, JoMo said: "Forcing" people to wear masks, just makes people not do it to 'fight against the government'. Masks aren't stopping the spread, they lower the risk, but it's not a magical thing that's going to change people's habits when it comes to hand washing and social distancing, which is something people are tired of as it is. Expand People are “forced” to wear pants when they go out, or risk being arrested. Where are the anti-pants brigades? 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 This is not "unprecedented" btw. This happened in 1918 so this administration new what we were up against 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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