dta1984 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 I thought mask wearing was going to help us flatten the curve ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malacka11 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, dta1984 said: I thought mask wearing was going to help us flatten the curve ? I have a hard time coming up with a less intelligent thing to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 11 minutes ago, dta1984 said: I thought mask wearing was going to help us flatten the curve ? Masks are good but aren't 100% protective. It's not license to gather in packed crowds. Besides that, a significant amount of the US population still doesn't wear one (varies by state). And then besides that, there are places where you can't mask for the entire duration of time, like at bars and restaurants. If somebody catches the virus, there is a good chance they are passing it to someone else in the house. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakkelWx Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 2 minutes ago, Malacka11 said: I have a hard time coming up with a less intelligent thing to say. Stop posting 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 10 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Masks are good but aren't 100% protective. It's not license to gather in packed crowds. Besides that, a significant amount of the US population still doesn't wear one (varies by state). And then besides that, there are places where you can't mask for the entire duration of time, like at bars and restaurants. If somebody catches the virus, there is a good chance they are passing it to someone else in the house. Ya I get it, but this is where the overall virus fatigue comes from that people are getting. If we wear masks numbers go down, or lockdown for this amount of time for numbers to go down etc. When the opposite happens it's a tougher sell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 We're getting there. Another 6 months and this virus is toast. https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-antibody-testing-chicago-rate-northwestern-20201009-jxzpyewzlrcgnny2fyflupqdcq-story.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 15 minutes ago, Malacka11 said: I have a hard time coming up with a less intelligent thing to say. See my response to Hoosier who had a constructive response to my comment. Point is, unless you're living in a hole, that has been the message. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malacka11 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 5 minutes ago, dta1984 said: See my response to Hoosier who had a constructive response to my comment. Point is, unless you're living in a hole, that has been the message. And it's a correct message. Chances are, if people wouldn't be wearing masks and staying farther away from each other, we'd have wayyyyy more cases than we have had so far (as if that isn't already a high enough number). Just because you do one thing to help doesn't mean that things can't eventually get worse anyway. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, dta1984 said: Ya I get it, but this is where the overall virus fatigue comes from that people are getting. If we wear masks numbers go down, or lockdown for this amount of time for numbers to go down etc. When the opposite happens it's a tougher sell. Bingo. People are tired of being told how to live their lives and that’s why the pushback is so extreme. It’s obvious watching football today, SEC games are packed with fans. Had to be 40K+ at A&M. Thats why I laugh at so much of the reaction on here, the government operates totally different down here compared to how it was in Ohio for me. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormfanaticInd Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said: We're getting there. Another 6 months and this virus is toast. https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-coronavirus-antibody-testing-chicago-rate-northwestern-20201009-jxzpyewzlrcgnny2fyflupqdcq-story.html Herd immunity route is stupid because we still do not know the long-term effects of this virus. It is conceivable we could have an even bigger problem down the road because of the long-term effects 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Waah waah I don't want to wear a mask Waah waah I don't want to cut out my higher risk behaviors Look no further as to why we are in the situation we are in. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 Bingo. People are tired of being told how to live their lives and that’s why the pushback is so extreme. It’s obvious watching football today, SEC games are packed with fans. Had to be 40K+ at A&M. Thats why I laugh at so much of the reaction on here, the government operates totally different down here compared to how it was in Ohio for me. you should have been in china or italy when they were on a real lockdown. you might not have made it.. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted October 10, 2020 Author Share Posted October 10, 2020 I thought mask wearing was going to help us flatten the curve ? people have to actually wear masks in order for that to possibly happen. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 37 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Waah waah I don't want to wear a mask Waah waah I don't want to cut out my higher risk behaviors Look no further as to why we are in the situation we are in. Yeah I mean seriously...we ain't got nobody else to blame but ourselves (collectively). Folks don't realize how much could have opened up had we all done what we were supposed to do. That way, the inevitable Fall spike wouldn't be poised to look the way it does...and maybe we wouldn't have started the Fall at like 40,000 cases a day (and that's a bad baseline to start from). I just don't get it...smh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 26 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: you should have been in china or italy when they were on a real lockdown. you might not have made it. . The China one was really extreme... they were forcibly removing people and taking them to quarantine locations among other things. The Italy one was probably about as far as a Western country could go. If more people would mask up and modify their behavior, I think we'd be able to get this down to something close to what we have come to tolerate with flu season (which is still tens of thousands of deaths in a 6 month period). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted_Trough Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 4 hours ago, ikcarsky said: And you know this for sure? Then maybe you can explain something to me. The CDC relies heavily upon the results of the UK HCQ RECOVERY trial in recommending against the use of HCQ. The CDC also just paragraphs later mentions 1.2 g in 24 h is a toxic dose of chloroquine (which is correct, and 2.0 g is often a lethal dose). So why I should I not discard the results of the UK RECOVERY investigation when they administered 2.4 g of HCQ in the first 24 h? And to gravely ill patients no less -- is that not absurd, when the hypothesized antiviral mechanism is inhibition of viral RNA replication, and should thus be studied principally in prophylaxis? Randomized and controlled means little when the study methodology is flawed. Or do you just know this because you this is what the mainstream media and their associated lab coat-wearing individuals told you to think, and if you question them you're a science denier? Yes, I trust those dastardly lab coat-wearing individuals (i.e. scientists) instead of charlatans who wear black hoodies and trove the dark web peddling their quackery. I've read through the major studies on HCQ. The only study that showed a benefit was when they combined HCQ with steroids. But we already know that steroids have been helpful for severe cases, and it was likely the steroids that elicited the benefits there as well. HCQ has also been studied as a prophylaxis and its been shown as no better than a placebo. I 'm not against placebos. If a placebo has no side effects, and can make a patient psychologically believe they're getting better - then sure, take it. Just don't peddle it to others as some magic potion 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Chicago Storm said: people have to actually wear masks in order for that to possibly happen. Thank you, there is far too many not wearing them or wearing them wrong that it just throws off any chance of them being as effective as they should be. Hell I see people at work not wearing them, in a god damn airport. I mean that is just incredibly risky. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderon Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Just now, Stebo said: Thank you, there is far too many not wearing them or wearing them wrong that it just throws off any chance of them being as effective as they should be. Hell I see people at work not wearing them, in a god damn airport. I mean that is just incredibly risky. Smh, and they wonder why their industry is being hit so hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 1 minute ago, Calderon said: Smh, and they wonder why their industry is being hit so hard. Yeah it is asinine, not only airport employees but TSA as well just not wearing them right or sometimes not even having them on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inverted_Trough Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 So many people don't even wear masks properly. They wear them around their chin like a diaper. My guess is that only 30% of the country wears masks consistently and properly. I haven't heard of a super spreader event where everyone at the event was wearing masks. Pretty much all the super spreader events have been bars, conferences, parties, churches, prisons, meat packing plants, college dorms, etc. You can still get the virus while wearing a mask (especially if others around you are not wearing them), but part of the reason for mask-wearing was to limit super spreader events and keep case counts manageable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Regarding Europe https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-pandemics-italy-madrid-eastern-europe-159a68a460337948d25281c153994c70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 6 hours ago, hoosierwx said: Everything will get shut down after the election. I dont know how bad it would have to be to do it before then, probably bodies laying in the street. Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G935A using Tapatalk In an interview yesterday, Holcomb said he is leaving it up to local officials to impose tougher measures. Holcomb prefers more urging of mask wearing, supporting local restrictions in hot spots over moving back from Stage 5 SOUTH BEND — Despite worsening coronavirus numbers in Indiana’s northern and southwestern border counties, which are helping to drive statewide numbers in the wrong direction, Gov. Eric Holcomb isn’t considering reinstating restrictions he lifted two weeks ago, he said during a visit here Friday. While noting he doesn’t make long-term predictions “based on a virus that is uber-infectious and easy to spread,” for now he’ll continue urging Hoosiers to wear masks and hope they comply. https://www.southbendtribune.com/coronavirus/holcomb-prefers-more-urging-of-mask-wearing-supporting-local-restrictions-in-hot-spots-over-moving/article_1efc09f2-0a6a-11eb-8993-539d3ee087b3.amp.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 **** you. Don’t really understand this reaction or comment. Government here is so limited they don’t even have an official state ban on indoor smoking. Only thing this state cares about is liquor, casinos and abortion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikcarsky Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 6 hours ago, OSUmetstud said: Why the **** should I believe you or someone anonymous Twitter account over them? Take your conspiracy shit to Facebook and Twitter. Lol. Yes why should you believe me? All I did was demonstrate, using their own publication and other peer-reviewed literature, that the authors of the UK HCQ RECOVERY trial poisoned their HCQ arm using doses that even the CDC indirectly admits are so high that they're toxic. It's RIGHT THERE in my links, yet you refuse to look. It's okay, you don't need the blessing of a priest scientist to gaze upon the altar peer-reviewed literature. Though in your secular religion scientists are flawless and beyond reproach and I can tell I won't be able to convince you otherwise even when I thrust proof in your face. FWIW, I like the Covid crusher twitter because he doesn't link to articles by mainstream outlets, but directly to the scientific literature, often prior. There anyone can dig into the data, methodolgy, results, discussion, and conclusions, without any mainstream outlet to curate it for the masses. And when someone has their nose in the raw data, and the actual papers, they can bring valuable contributions not found elsewhere. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OSUmetstud Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, nwohweather said: Don’t really understand this reaction or comment. Government here is so limited they don’t even have an official state ban on indoor smoking. Only thing this state cares about is liquor, casinos and abortion You laugh at people for the reaction here? Because they care about the disease? Because they care about saving lives? Thank you again for your drive by post of how little people where you live care in your conservative utopia. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 21 minutes ago, nwohweather said: Don’t really understand this reaction or comment. Government here is so limited they don’t even have an official state ban on indoor smoking. Only thing this state cares about is liquor, casinos and abortion Sounds like SC is pretty terrible. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ikcarsky Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 3 hours ago, Inverted_Trough said: I've read through the major studies on HCQ. The only study that showed a benefit was when they combined HCQ with steroids. But we already know that steroids have been helpful for severe cases, and it was likely the steroids that elicited the benefits there as well. HCQ has also been studied as a prophylaxis and its been shown as no better than a placebo. I 'm not against placebos. If a placebo has no side effects, and can make a patient psychologically believe they're getting better - then sure, take it. Just don't peddle it to others as some magic potion Great, then maybe you can provide sources, I should like to read them. But the studies will have to be truly compelling, because now I have seen MANY studies that show a benefit to HCQ, especially when taken with zinc (as per the ionophore hypothesis), and given to patients early on in the progression of the disease. Obviously this is in complete opposition to your statement "no better than placebo". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 HCQ has only been proven to have any usefulness in the very first few days of the virus impacting the body and even then it isn't some sort of cure but a treatment to help fight the virus when combined with zinc or steroids. By the time most people find out they are sick its too late for it to be used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 You laugh at people for the reaction here? Because they care about the disease? Because they care about saving lives? Thank you again for your drive by post of how little people where you live care in your conservative utopia. It just seems so foreign is all. Heck turn on ABC and ESPN right now, games are packed and mask wearing is almost zero. Also Florida’s head coach is asking for full capacity crowds as A&M’s large crowd affected them today. Haha we may get 88K in Gainesville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ovweather Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Trump is cleared to resume a normal schedule without word if he’s still positive or now negative for the virus. The WH has set such a horrible example of how to handle the virus, how in the world can we expect EVERYONE to want to follow the rules now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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