snowstormcanuck Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 34 minutes ago, hawkeye_wx said: We should be getting a lot more data for this country over the next couple weeks(positive/negative tests, fatalities, etc). If we start getting more data that suggests the death rate is similar to the flu, or even a bit higher, there will be immense pressure to start sending people back to work. All evidence points to the mortality rate being substantially higher than the flu. The reason for these drastic social distancing measures isn't to prevent the spread. That is inevitable. I've read estimates up to 80 percent of the population will be infected eventually. The social distancing is in place to slow the spread so that the healthcare system can cope with those who will unfortunately need hospitalization, to build capacity (beds, ventilators, etc), and to maybe develop a vaccine or effective treatment plan. It's about buying time. There's no way that will be accomplished in a couple of weeks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frog Town Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, snowstormcanuck said: All evidence points to the mortality rate being substantially higher than the flu. The reason for these drastic social distancing measures isn't to prevent the spread. That is inevitable. I've read estimates up to 80 percent of the population will be infected eventually. The social distancing is in place to slow the spread so that the healthcare system can cope with those who will unfortunately need hospitalization, to build capacity (beds, ventilators, etc), and to maybe develop a vaccine or effective treatment plan. It's about buying time. There's no way that will be accomplished in a couple of weeks. This is a very accurate statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Awful day in Italy. 627 new deaths. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 Illinois is expected to be placed under a shelter-in-place order during todays news conference, which will go into effect on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowstormcanuck Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Awful day in Italy. 627 new deaths. There's supposed to be lag between when the lockdown measures were implemented and when the death/infection rate would start to decline. But, it's been two weeks, I think? Very discouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 16 minutes ago, snowstormcanuck said: There's supposed to be lag between when the lockdown measures were implemented and when the death/infection rate would start to decline. But, it's been two weeks, I think? Very discouraging. I think it's been a week and a half since we really started seeing action to lockdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Statewide shutdown in NYS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 28 minutes ago, snowstormcanuck said: There's supposed to be lag between when the lockdown measures were implemented and when the death/infection rate would start to decline. But, it's been two weeks, I think? Very discouraging. I think just a couple towns went into lockdown first before it became widespread? Can't remember. Hard to put a lot of positive spin on the numbers, but just think how it would be if it were business as usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 11 minutes ago, Hoosier said: I think just a couple towns went into lockdown first before it became widespread? Can't remember. Hard to put a lot of positive spin on the numbers, but just think how it would be if it were business as usual. A lot of families live together across three generations, not to mention the potential for poor ventilation. I'm not convinced it would be much worse if society was going about their business but just social distancing as much as they can 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowstorms Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think we have any vaccine for SARS. If we do discover a vaccine for this virus, plus all the R&D and testing, it likely won't be mass distributed until next Winter. Very tragic to hear whats happening in Europe. Until things can calm down and revert back to normal in Europe, we will likely stay in lockdown mode here in North America. Swine flu back in 2009 was pretty bad too on a global scale. If people can abide by the rules and self isolate themselves, we can work together as a society to control the spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago Storm Posted March 20, 2020 Author Share Posted March 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: Illinois is expected to be placed under a shelter-in-place order during todays news conference, which will go into effect on Saturday. With word out that this is going to occur, chaos has ensued. Walmart is beyond packed...There's a line just to get into the building. Police everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: With word out that this is going to occur, chaos has ensued. Walmart is beyond packed...There's a line just to get into the building. Police everywhere. I am hitting the store again today just to avoid the real chaos later. Indiana has been lagging Illinois a bit on many of these restrictions so I am figuring shelter in place in IN is coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 The statewide shutdown is ridiculous and should be illegal. It is going to spread pure chaos similar to a hurricane, except there is nowhere to evacuate to. You'll literally have to be armed at all times if something like this were to happen as those who have lost their incomes will become incredibly desperate. I currently am keeping a firearm on me at all times when going into the store with how crazy things are. I mean heck people get mugged all the time during Black Friday, imagine true desperation 2 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, Hoosier said: I am hitting the store again today just to avoid the real chaos later. Indiana has been lagging Illinois a bit on many of these restrictions so I am figuring shelter in place in IN is coming. I'd go a step further and prepare for more than SIP. The best in humanity will rise up but so will the worst, especially if the economy leans more towards a collapse in coming weeks. I'm a prepare for the worst hope for the best kinda guy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWeather Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Not for the faint of heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A-L-E-K Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 americans are gonna lose their minds when the multi day period of 1,000+ daily death commences 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wisconsinwx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 30 minutes ago, Chicago Storm said: With word out that this is going to occur, chaos has ensued. Walmart is beyond packed...There's a line just to get into the building. Police everywhere. A bit counterproductive. It's not like shelter in place is that much different in reality from what is happening now. Just about everything is closed except for convenience/grocery stores, services to communities like food pantries, and essential businesses. Now by going with SIP, they are creating an unnecessary mad dash to stores that will expose everyone again and violate social distancing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, wisconsinwx said: A bit counterproductive. It's not like shelter in place is that much different in reality from what is happening now. Just about everything is closed except for convenience/grocery stores, services to communities like food pantries, and essential businesses. Now by going with SIP, they are creating an unnecessary mad dash to stores that will expose everyone again and violate social distancing. This is partly why MI hasn't gone with SIP. We have done everything up to that though there should be a call to shut down more places in general. Leave food/pharmacy/banks and any sort of distribution open. Beyond that the rest should close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherbo Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, Stebo said: This is partly why MI hasn't gone with SIP. We have done everything up to that though there should be a call to shut down more places in general. Leave food/pharmacy/banks and any sort of distribution open. Beyond that the rest should close. Presser at 4:30 with Gov Whitmer, suspect a SIP order incoming for us too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertSul Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, nwohweather said: The statewide shutdown is ridiculous and should be illegal. It is going to spread pure chaos similar to a hurricane, except there is nowhere to evacuate to. You'll literally have to be armed at all times if something like this were to happen as those who have lost their incomes will become incredibly desperate. I currently am keeping a firearm on me at all times when going into the store with how crazy things are. I mean heck people get mugged all the time during Black Friday, imagine true desperation There’s nowhere to evacuate to because people just stay home (a lot of the chaos before a hurricane comes from everyone trying to leave at once), and how would this affect people with lost incomes anymore than they’re already being impacted? Besides, there’s legislation being worked on to help people in need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOH Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 9 minutes ago, A-L-E-K said: americans are gonna lose their minds when the multi day period of 1,000+ daily death commences On 3/17/2020 at 3:27 PM, A-L-E-K said: when do all the olds start dying? You seem to be the only one "in the know". Let us know prior to it starting please. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, RobertSul said: There’s nowhere to evacuate to because people just stay home (a lot of the chaos before a hurricane comes from everyone trying to leave at once), and how would this affect people with lost incomes anymore than they’re already being impacted? Besides, there’s legislation being worked on to help people in need. I'm saying people with lost incomes are going to be motivated to get out and rob people 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, weatherbo said: Presser at 4:30 with Gov Whitmer, suspect a SIP order incoming for us too. It might, but based upon her office's tweets earlier today it seems like they are against that right now. IL and other states going that way today could have changed her mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, NEOH said: You seem to be the only one "in the know". Let us know prior to it starting please. Dude, I'll make it simple, don't take anything Alek says seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 17 minutes ago, wisconsinwx said: A bit counterproductive. It's not like shelter in place is that much different in reality from what is happening now. Just about everything is closed except for convenience/grocery stores, services to communities like food pantries, and essential businesses. Now by going with SIP, they are creating an unnecessary mad dash to stores that will expose everyone again and violate social distancing. Yeah, somebody should come up with a better term for it. Shelter in place is misleading and causes unnecessary panic rush to the stores like you said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dta1984 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Stebo said: Dude, I'll make it simple, don't take anything Alek says seriously. Hmm sarcasm missed? ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEOH Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Stebo said: Dude, I'll make it simple, don't take anything Alek says seriously. I know... he likes the schoolgirl drama but its probably fair to say this topic isn't a joke. But I get it... this is an internet forum so carry on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMB WX Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 29 minutes ago, A-L-E-K said: americans are gonna lose their minds when the multi day period of 1,000+ daily death commences lotta folks living in denial yet. Hate to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UMB WX Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Without early detection and isolation of the infected I'd love to hear how the US contains this. This is a cluster**** right now that didn't have to be at this level. That's what happens when you try to cover it up and try an pull a fast one on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castaway Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Lol at people looking to point and blame their political rivals. This was going to set fire whether you were skeptical or not. Move along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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