Coronavirus

[dta1984]

2 hours ago, WestMichigan said:

Not to mention the rise in suicides - "We’ve already seen a steady rise in deaths by suicide over the past two decades and a new report by The Well Being Trust released last month found that 75,000 additional people could die from what they called “deaths of despair,” (which include suicide and substance use) because of Covid-19." https://www.psycom.net/covid-19-suicide-rates

Exactly!  Sad stuff.   Too many people scream lockdown without thinking it through.

[StormfanaticInd]

9 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Exactly!  Sad stuff.   Too many people scream lockdown without thinking it through.

A full lockdown is literally the only option we have right now. The numbers right now are terrifying and only getting exponentially worse by the day. If we are not careful we are looking at a unprecedented national emergency!

[Hoosier]

Looks like it will surpass 2000 deaths on worldometers.  I don't think it will make it to 200k cases today, but it could happen tomorrow.

[dan11295]

16 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

Looks like it will surpass 2000 deaths on worldometers.  I don't think it will make it to 200k cases today, but it could happen tomorrow.

Final number will be close to last Friday, they haven't added the 5000 cases from LA County yet. They went bad there in a hurry.

[mattb65]

22 minutes ago, dta1984 said:

Exactly!  Sad stuff.   Too many people scream lockdown without thinking it through.

The actual data is actually a bit murky on whether or not suicides are up because of lockdowns. https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4352

This study from Australia where they're have been aggressive lockdowns shows no rise in suicides compared with the baseline rate from the start of the pandemic to 3 days ago  https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanpsy/article/PIIS2215-03662030435-1/fulltext

What seems to be an important protective factor is a robust safety net and access to resources for people who need help. Australia has a strong safety net plus a robust national plan to keep covid contained.

All of the people wringing their hands over how lockdowns are going to lead to all these suicides generally tend to be anti lockdown, but they are directing their concern in the wrong direction. 

The viral spread will decide whether lockdowns are needed. We can't function as a society with overwhelmed hospitals.

If you really want to prevent suicides then you should be advocating for a better safety net to treat the despair caused by loss of employment and other risk factors for suicide.

[purduewx80]

42 minutes ago, Stebo said:

Like Alek said, we live among sociopaths.

100%. This pandemic has proven to me two things (at least): 30-40% of the country is legit either smoking too much weed or actually certifiably paranoid schizophrenic, and 2, many Americans think their privileged lives of luxury mean that everything we enjoy is essential. 

[StormfanaticInd]

12 minutes ago, dan11295 said:

Final number will be close to last Friday, they haven't added the 5000 cases from LA County yet. They went bad there in a hurry.

5000 in L.A.??? WOW!!!

Edit. We are going to have to keep a close eye on Los Angeles 

[dan11295]

Well a lockdown with no governmental support is obviously a disaster. Even with support a feeling of forced isolation in general will have negative effects especially on those already suffering from depression. But what hospitals in many parts of the country are now dealing with a situation that is not sustainable for any significant period of time. You have beds being set up in parking garages, many more with no ICU space, being run with overworked nurses who are getting to the breaking point dealing with multiple surges over the year in some cases. A some point you have to do something.

A major problem is a significant portion of the population just doesn't care and isn't limiting their contacts with others, either due to fatigue/tired of isolating, to literally believing its a hoax. These "curfews" have less effect if people know where wont be enforcement and don't care anymore to begin with.

[Santa Clause]

Let’s all be honest on this, we are pretty fked at this point. Hospitals cannot sustain this and we have major get together holidays upcoming.

[Malacka11]

Let me preface this post by saying that I am no stranger to suicide. 

However, anyone who tries to use increasing suicide rates to argue against lockdowns is a dunce. If that's you, then you're forgetting a couple of things such as: 

1. Suicidal tendencies are not contagious. 

2. As grotesque as this sentence is, until deaths from suicide even approach deaths from Covid, the two cannot be equated. 

The gap in your logic is vast. You're telling me that you're worried by the few people that might commit suicide while quarantined but you're not worried about the thousands of lives that could be saved by preventing the spread of Covid? Give me a break. 

 

[osubrett2]

Ohio’s numbers have looked “better” than last week, trending between 6400-7800/day. But DeWine confirmed today that ~12k cases, since Monday, are being double checked. And most of them are likely positive. So some backdating or a bulk upload will increase Ohio’s number dramatically. 

[StormfanaticInd]

Where the hell is Trump?

[jm1220]

NYC closing schools and allowing bars/restaurants to stay open is totally counterproductive IMO. The bars/restaurants are where the virus spreads, much more so than schools according to evidence, and it has huge economic repercussions when parents can’t go to work and have to care for their kids. Much of the reasoning must be teacher union pressure as well as pressure from bar and restaurant groups to stay open since there’s no government help coming, and it’s another black eye for De Blasio. It’ll do nothing to stop the spread and it causes tremendous headaches. We have some additional leeway vs other states for new cases but it can get bad here again very fast. 

[StormfanaticInd]

81k covid patients in the hospitals now

[jm1220]

Also over 2000 deaths today.

When hospitals become overwhelmed like now, care can be significantly improved generally but fatalities rise because of the burden. Unfortunately more of this to come. Horrible failure all around, from the feds on down. 

[dan11295]

4 minutes ago, osubrett2 said:

Ohio’s numbers have looked “better” than last week, trending between 6400-7800/day. But DeWine confirmed today that ~12k cases, since Monday, are being double checked. And most of them are likely positive. So some backdating or a bulk upload will increase Ohio’s number dramatically. 

Ohio's hospital numbers are still going up rapidly, up 26% last 7 days.

[CheeselandSkies]

5 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Where the hell is Trump?

Rage-tweeting and spamming lawsuits in MI, PA, WI, GA, AZ and NV.

[Stebo]

Just now, CheeselandSkies said:

Rage-tweeting and spamming lawsuits and losing in MI, PA, WI, GA, AZ and NV.

Had to make a quick edit

[Malacka11]

[dan11295]

According the American Hospital association there are approximately 800k hospital beds in the U.S. Over 10% of them are now occupied by Covid patients.

Probably 191k cases once Nebraska gets added. This is absurd. The U.S. is approaching Italy's per capita case rate. (~195k U.S. cases.).

EDIT: Finished with 192k

[StormfanaticInd]

Ended with over 192k on worldometers and 2065 deaths

[Geoboy645]

16 minutes ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Ended with over 192k on worldometers and 2065 deaths

To put it in horrifying perspective, today alone would be the 8th deadliest disaster in U.S history pre-pandemic. This is why we need to shutdown again, cause otherwise in a month this will be considered a low day. God we are so so so f***ed.

[StormfanaticInd]

 

[IWXwx]

1 hour ago, StormfanaticInd said:

Where the hell is Trump?

Where is Congress is the ultimate question? They're playing political games while the whole country suffers. Trump actually (at least publicly) asked for Congress to write up a relief package. His problem is that he has lost any political clout he had with Republicans in the Senate, while they cat fight with Pelosi.

Not that a relief package would fix the pandemic, but it would sure as hell make it easier for people to shelter-in-place and keep some small businesses open.

[jm1220]

37 minutes ago, Geoboy645 said:

To put it in horrifying perspective, today alone would be the 8th deadliest disaster in U.S history pre-pandemic. This is why we need to shutdown again, cause otherwise in a month this will be considered a low day. God we are so so so f***ed.

We need Congress to get their collective head out of its ass and get to work and pass a stimulus that would allow businesses to close without going completely belly-up. Right now there would be mass layoffs and closures that businesses wouldn’t be able to recover from this time due to no help. Food lines and the need for help are already the greatest since the 1930s. We definitely should shut down again but we don’t seem to have the will to take care of employees and businesses to do so unlike in Europe (where they seem to have plateaued and are decreasing somewhat in new cases now). Unfortunately what we’re headed toward is the overwhelmed healthcare system along with a collapsing economy anyway. 

[Stebo]

43 minutes ago, IWXwx said:

Where is Congress is the ultimate question? They're playing political games while the whole country suffers. Trump actually (at least publicly) asked for Congress to write up a relief package. His problem is that he has lost any political clout he had with Republicans in the Senate, while they cat fight with Pelosi.

Not that a relief package would fix the pandemic, but it would sure as hell make it easier for people to shelter-in-place and keep some small businesses open.

There have been several packages sent through the house some with bipartisan support. It is the turtle slowing everything down in the Senate.

[Hoosier]

3 weeks ago, we were just starting to approach 100k cases in a day.  Now we are seeing 150-200k per day and already getting about 2k deaths on the higher reporting days.  Truly frightening to think about where things are heading as some of these newer cases eventually become hospitalized and die.  I really don't see how we avoid days with a 9/11 type death toll or worse, even if transmission rapidly slows down soon (and it likely won't).  

[jm1220]

6 minutes ago, Hoosier said:

3 weeks ago, we were just starting to approach 100k cases in a day.  Now we are seeing 150-200k per day and already getting about 2k deaths on the higher reporting days.  Truly frightening to think about where things are heading as some of these newer cases eventually become hospitalized and die.  I really don't see how we avoid days with a 9/11 type death toll or worse, even if transmission rapidly slows down soon (and it likely won't).  

Yep. Unfortunately that’s the consequence of the overwhelmed hospitals-quality of care goes down due to the staff shortages, filled facilities and burnout. We have better treatments now than when it was horrendous here in NYC in April but we can only take care of so many people. 

[Geoboy645]

You know what's another really horrifying fact. That our death toll is now basically equal with Madison's total population. That means we have lost an amount of people equivalent to the entire city of Madison in all of 8 months. Holy s*** that is a lot of people just gone now. And that is not even talking about excess deaths and the people affected by all of these deaths.

Edit: Or for all of you don't know how truly big that is. That is equivalent in Ohio to 92% of Toledo just being gone. Or in Illinois it would be the new 2nd largest city in the state. Or in Indiana it would be 93% of Fort Wayne. It would be the new largest city in Iowa. You get the picture. It's an unimaginably large number that is just going to get higher quicker unless we do something.

[StormfanaticInd]

Thanksgiving is going to be the knockout punch. No doubt about it