PrinceFrederickWx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 41 minutes ago, jaydreb said: Actually, it looks like the death rate from corona is MUCH higher than the death rate in the flu study that you posted. Their Flu death rate from 13/14 to 16/17 was 1.3%, which is in line with the death rates from Coronavirus worldwide. Consider that the U.S. Flu death rate is only about 0.1%, so just the Flu itself is about 13 times as deadly in the Italian population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, PrinceFrederickWx said: Their Flu death rate from 13/14 to 16/17 was 1.3%, which is in line with the death rates from Coronavirus worldwide. Consider that the U.S. Flu death rate is only about 0.1%, so just the Flu itself is about 13 times as deadly in the Italian population. Coronavirus mortality rate right now in Italy is much more than that (8.5%), and they've only had 1-2 million cases of flu per year because the majority of people are vaccinated or have lingering immunities out of a population of 60M. Coronavirus is a novel bug with no population immunities. Spain is shortly behind Italy right now and about to experience the same thing. As are lots of countries in Europe, and we're not far behind. Honestly at the end of the day this becomes a raw numbers problem and not a percentage problem. Once you overwhelm hospitals (as you see in those videos I posted), then people are dying not just of COVID but of lots of other things that they can't get treatment for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydreb Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 15 minutes ago, PrinceFrederickWx said: Their Flu death rate from 13/14 to 16/17 was 1.3%, which is in line with the death rates from Coronavirus worldwide. Consider that the U.S. Flu death rate is only about 0.1%, so just the Flu itself is about 13 times as deadly in the Italian population. You said their “flu deaths in the past decade are not much different than coronavirus.” Their flu death rate in the study you posted was 1.3%. Italy’s death rate from Coronavirus has been over 8%. And the global death rate from coronavirus is over 3%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just a FYI: Italy is old AF. It's why their death rates are probably going to be the worst from this AND from other things. It doesn't mitigate the threat coronavirus poses to all countries, us included though, because the way that coronavirus threatens us is by wrecking healthcare systems. Novel bugs with no population immunities, even if they are simple flus, are disruptive. When they carry a significant death rate, hospitalization rate, incubation period, it's even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Stock market was holding steady at noon and then fell off a cliff...what happened at noon , I wonder, did someone step near a mic? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, North Balti Zen said: Stock market was holding steady at noon and then fell off a cliff...what happened at noon , I wonder, did someone step near a mic? Oh wow I didn't even notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Despite the old population, Italy still has one of the more advanced medical systems in all of Europe. Furthermore northern Italy is the wealthiest part. In terms of respiratory viruses such as COVID-19, there's multiple factors that put people at risk aside from age. One is obesity, and well, if you take a look around this country, we've got plenty of that to go around, which doesn't boast well for rapidly spreading cases. I'm still rather confused at this comparison to the flu. The concern is with how fast COVID-19 spreads from person to person. Each carrier of the flu spreads it to on average 1.3 people, meanwhile each carrier of COVID-19 spreads it to 2.5 people on average. Not to mention the higher fatality rate. Italy having 300+ deaths per day would be much worse than any flu day even in the United States. Furthermore there methods of flu treatment are much more effective, and even if not entirely effective for the majority of the population, we have a vaccination for the flu. You can't even compare the two whatsoever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, jaydreb said: You said their “flu deaths in the past decade are not much different than coronavirus.” Their flu death rate in the study you posted was 1.3%. Italy’s death rate from Coronavirus has been over 8%. And the global death rate from coronavirus is over 3%. Not sure why some people continue to insist on making this comparison. It is what it is. Let em have at it if it helps them feel better. Yup, they are exactly the same, in one's own truthiness I suppose. I give up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErinInTheSky Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Cobalt said: Despite the old population, Italy still has one of the more advanced medical systems in all of Europe. Furthermore northern Italy is the wealthiest part. In terms of respiratory viruses such as COVID-19, there's multiple factors that put people at risk aside from age. One is obesity, and well, if you take a look around this country, we've got plenty of that to go around, which doesn't boast well for rapidly spreading cases. I'm still rather confused at this comparison to the flu. The concern is with how fast COVID-19 spreads from person to person. Each carrier of the flu spreads it to on average 1.3 people, meanwhile each carrier of COVID-19 spreads it to 2.5 people on average. Not to mention the higher fatality rate. Italy having 300+ deaths per day would be much worse than any flu day even in the United States. Furthermore there methods of flu treatment are much more effective, and even if not entirely effective for the majority of the population, we have a vaccination for the flu. You can't even compare the two whatsoever Yet people here and elsewhere keep doing it and I can’t for the life of me think of why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 3 minutes ago, supernovasky said: Yet people here and elsewhere keep doing it and I can’t for the life of me think of why. It will wash through. Nothing to see here. Plus it's warm today! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 1 minute ago, supernovasky said: Yet people here and elsewhere keep doing it and I can’t for the life of me think of why. It reminds me of a quote I heard a little while back. Don't remember exactly how it goes but it was something like "Preparations before a plague seem alarmist, while preparations during/after a plague seem inadequate", and I mean I guess I see why people would object to what we're doing for COVID-19 if something like the flu can be terrible, but they're two different animals. Hospitals don't get as overwhelmed by the flu as they have in certain areas as COVID-19. Not to mention how it'll leave many with permanent respiratory problems. Also it's funny to see people compare this to the late 2000s Swine Flu. At this point in the outbreak the Swine Flu had 1500 deaths, somewhat close to a tenth of what we've already seen with COVID-19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, North Balti Zen said: Stock market was holding steady at noon and then fell off a cliff...what happened at noon , I wonder, did someone step near a mic? It's no ones fault. The CHINESE virus is gonna wreck our economy though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 ^I think someone may have missed the sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Perhaps we should make a separate COVID-19 thread. I know some are annoyed by the virus discussion taking over banter. Plus it is clearly difficult to completely separate politics from the discussion. With no sports to discuss, at least banter can get back to focusing on beer and booze. @WxUSAF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rvarookie Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I’ve struggled with how to react to all of this, but I think it’s fair to say we all handle it differently. I do fall on side that feels I should be able to make my trips to store and take my own risk, but the guilt and fact can’t trust any of the data right now has me being cautious to not offend or escalate situation I will say this this is a topic that instead of debating with each other we should just listen to each other’s views and truly respect it. So often we try to push our beliefs on folks like we got this all figured it out. It be much better place if we just said here’s where I’m at, but also look to understand each others perspective so we accommodate each other instead of trying to influence 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPE Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just drank an Eastern Shore Brewing 'Strawberry Shakedown'. It just looked too "weird" not to try it. It is a DIPA and I thought it was freaking delicious. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Elder Pine blackberry mango sour here. Need to get out that brewery when they reopen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WxUSAF Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Did curbside pickup at Manor Hill brewing today. Very convenient. I hope this continues after. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Your tidbit for the day: “Don’t put butt, hand, or disinfectant wipes in the pooper.” Why does this need to be said? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Folks must realize the steps in place are being done to ensure we dont turn into the next Italy. Further, by doing this, we're able to keep essential businesses open. Keep the pipeline of goods flowing. Ya know, the stuff we absolutely need. No doubt the impact on businesses will be massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowfan Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Oh and while everyone is home, do the census. When you're done, you may be like.....wait, that was it!?!? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: Not good people Wth? Are these people stupid? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydreb Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Just now, nw baltimore wx said: Wth? Are these people stupid? I know we don’t want government to compel behavior, but at some point it has to step in and stop this stuff. Going to work or a grocery store is one thing. Gathering en masse to look at trees, as beautiful as they are, is quite a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, jaydreb said: I know we don’t want government to compel behavior, but at some point it has to step in and stop this stuff. Going to work or a grocery store is one thing. Gathering en masse to look at trees, as beautiful as they are, is quite a different story. It’s the same reason we have to have moderators here in the winter. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I had a doctor appt today (previously scheduled) and we did it by FaceTime. Pretty cool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Hope all those with kids are ready for schools to be out till at least May... DCPS is closed till April 27th at the earliest now. Not trying to make fun of any parents or anything... just saying get ready for more staying at home trying to entertain them once school work goes by the wayside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nj2va Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 53 minutes ago, nw baltimore wx said: Wth? Are these people stupid? People think they are invincible. Oh and people are stupid as fck. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nw baltimore wx Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, WxWatcher007 said: They’ll be a lot of innovation that hopefully comes out of this time. The end of snow make up days!!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydreb Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 1 hour ago, yoda said: Hope all those with kids are ready for schools to be out till at least May... DCPS is closed till April 27th at the earliest now. Not trying to make fun of any parents or anything... just saying get ready for more staying at home trying to entertain them once school work goes by the wayside Yep. I expect schools to be out until next Fall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthArlington101 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Yep. I expect schools to be out until next Fall. I’m not confident about going back in the fall, honestly. Question is whether we do this correctly or we all just get tired of the situation/the economic and social damage becomes too much to bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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