Jump to content
  • Member Statistics

    17,597
    Total Members
    7,904
    Most Online
    DAinDC
    Newest Member
    DAinDC
    Joined

What went wrong


WEATHER53
 Share

Recommended Posts

In early November the source region of cold air was excellent and in evidence and that continued into mid December. Then abruptly that stopped and never returned.

Why?

No one knows. Perhaps God or the myriad of alphabet indexes crafted to explain the unexplainable.

By just before Christmas the first “return to cold in 10 days” came and went. Now the disaster was underway. History shows that when the very first “return to cold” fails that 80% of the time the colder never re-emerges. Feb 2007 was a big exception but that was 13 years ago so figure the odds on your own.

Observation threads are still a delight and discussing 3-5 day leads  is worthy but all the multi paragraphs clamoirings over unproven indexes and models really doesn’t lend anything.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

54 minutes ago, WEATHER53 said:

In early November the source region of cold air was excellent and in evidence and that continued into mid December. Then abruptly that stopped and never returned.

Why?

No one knows. Perhaps God or the myriad of alphabet indexes crafted to explain the unexplainable.

By just before Christmas the first “return to cold in 10 days” came and went. Now the disaster was underway. History shows that when the very first “return to cold” fails that 80% of the time the colder never re-emerges. Feb 2007 was a big exception but that was 13 years ago so figure the odds on your own.

Observation threads are still a delight and discussing 3-5 day leads  is worthy but all the multi paragraphs clamoirings over unproven indexes and models really doesn’t lend anything.

Unfavorable pac forcing combined with a strong PV. 

Years where there was a significant pattern flip from warm to cold during winter

1958,1960,1966,1972,1987,1993,1999,2000,2005,2007,2014,2016,2018.  

There are plenty of flips from cold to warm also.  But by New Years the combo of a strong phase 5/6 mjo wave in conjunction with a strong PV coupling with the tpv hinted that this year was at risk to be a total dud. That combo is the leading cause of our total wasted years. This result isn’t a big surprise.  

 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

18 hours ago, PrinceFrederickWx said:

Every November that has less than 2” of rain at BWI/DCA has a winter that turns out to be a dumpster fire. It’s a better leading indicator than any model at this point.

 

If so then bingo and exactly. Analogs.  We never had said that a dry November “”Causes” a bummer winter but when 80%of the time what you referenced we end up with a bummer winter then you must pay attention to that. Now, what caused the dryness and the bummer that followed can be up to the debating team but this method Is Forecadting instead of throwing a bunch of indexes into s pot and trying to make soup. Forecasting of weather, not all potential examples of it.

 

  • Thanks 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

20 hours ago, PrinceFrederickWx said:

Every November that has less than 2” of rain at BWI/DCA has a winter that turns out to be a dumpster fire. It’s a better leading indicator than any model at this point.

 

Based on a ridiculously small sample size of data considering the history of weather on this planet it's a worthless indicator, and is far more likely a coincidence than anything. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 hours ago, WEATHER53 said:

If so then bingo and exactly. Analogs.  We never had said that a dry November “”Causes” a bummer winter but when 80%of the time what you referenced we end up with a bummer winter then you must pay attention to that. Now, what caused the dryness and the bummer that followed can be up to the debating team but this method Is Forecadting instead of throwing a bunch of indexes into s pot and trying to make soup. Forecasting of weather, not all potential examples of it.

 

I must look into this analog thing. Never heard of it. Sounds like voodoo black magic to me. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

34 minutes ago, WEATHER53 said:

Truth hurts especially when a cellar dwelling chump  like you  is powerless to do anything themselves. As always, when you cant contribute nor refute then personally attack the poster.

What's your prediction for the coming summer? I predict that a cloud is gonna form somewhere in the U.S.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

9 hours ago, WEATHER53 said:

Truth hurts especially when a cellar dwelling chump  like you  is powerless to do anything themselves. As always, when you cant contribute nor refute then personally attack the poster.

You answered it all in your op. No one knows. It's in the hands of god. NWP is useless hocus-pocus. 

end thread/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

52 minutes ago, dailylurker said:

Living in the Mid-Atlantic is what went wrong. 

This is true, but let me help you with the rhyming part...

Living in the Mid-Atlantic is what went wrong

Move north where winters are cold and long

Without lots of luck, winters here are brief, and suck

  • Like 3
  • Haha 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

One thing that went wrong is within ourselves. We all are here because we like snow and cold.. Whether we admit it or not we have a built in bias toward cold and snow and that does indeed make us all to some extent make the objective data fit our preconceived bias.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now
 Share

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
×
×
  • Create New...