Damage In Tolland Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Cold Miser said: Pretty much. I don't think it's too far fetched to conclude that there will be no more significant snow for my area this season. Not including a stray .5" or squall. I’ve told them the same since early Feb any gotten the sane responses. Persistence won this year, A few folks always hang on no matter how it looks and end up sad. That’s their choice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Cold Miser said: Pretty much. I don't think it's too far fetched to conclude that there will be no more significant snow for my area this season. Not including a stray .5" or squall. Normally, I wouldn't agree with that statement in most every other season, but this one is a true Ratter, so I think you are correct in that assumption this winter. It doesn't want to snow in SNE this winter...and that's all there is to it. It happens every so often, hoping for a normal season next winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, Damage In Tolland said: I’ve told them the same since early Feb any gotten the sane responses. Persistence won this year, A few folks always hang on no matter how it looks and end up sad. That’s their choice Science vs emotions...some can separate the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 No argument from me... In fact, I was digging around out in the main forum with those seasonal outlooks and found a post I made back in October hinting pretty strongly that I feared no reason to go against the climate migration model and the HC expansion/fast flow contamination issues ruining this winter, just like last year. Gee, what the f happened? Sorry, it's pretty clear that we had trouble with stream mechanical phasing, and cyclgonic entropy was large because of the torn open atmosphere. Yeah, I've been warning for a long time now ( meaning five seven or eight years ) that most these seasonal outlooks, few appear to have taken the latest research/observations/CC factors into account and still prog with too many vestigial influences of 1965 causation manifolds between water, land, and the more ephermal atmospheric indicators. They are not valid in 2020 ... hint - those method/validity started eroding in usefulness ... roughly around the onset and post the super-nino of 1997, and have gotten really quite obviously less than useful in the last five years. I was just talking to Harvey Leonard earlier today about this, he made this statement to me, which was a veritable echo of my own sentiments I made in a passing comment/missive in one of these scrolled threads in here, a couple of months ago: "I have never really seen one quite like this, for combo of warmth, and not even any “close calls,” or “near misses” since mid December." In concept this is exactly what I said to y'all, 'it is getting increasingly more difficult to sustain a snow potential atmosphere at our latitudes of North America, without some sort of either concurrent or antecedent, direct -EPO loading to support' I dunno - when combining the total worldly perspective on matters, we may already be in a Philly climate now... Wouldn't shock me. I mean, most empirical evidence to date in support of the CC stuff, shows that the change has exceeded modeling expectations ...in some case by decade(s) depending on the focused metric. Why not blow our f'n winters away too - But, before anyone panics, even in a Philly climate ( if more than merely tongue-in-cheek) it snowed a foot last week south of there in the slope country of the Carolinas. There are no absolute boundaries in climate, it's all about rarity. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 It may never snow again. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: It may never snow again. Oh, 1888 is coming ... that's the thing, people read missives like that, latch on to one thing, and then almost compulsively over-react - but ... this is what happens when you give provincial rabble that virtual podium and mike of the Internet - Also, you get sociological histrionic crisis' that flirts with anarchistic meltdown. Space and remoteness, and dimmer technology used to protect actually, because by the time time "word" spread, it was already marinaded to truth by the crucible of time it took to actually get that word around. Now, it's so easily disposed, there's 0 zippo no vetting. Just misinterpreted source and reaction. But I digress... I'm kidding half way here... don't over react ahaha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinterWolf Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Typhoon Tip said: Oh, 1888 is coming ... that's the thing, people read missives like that, latch on to one thing, and then almost compulsively over-react - but ... this is what happens when you give provincial rabble that virtual podium and mike of the Internet - Also, sociological hystrionic crisis' that flirt with anarchistic meltdown. Space and remoteness, and dimmer technology used to protect actually, because by the time time "word" spread, it was already marinaded to truth by the crucible of time it took to actually get that word around. Now, it's so easily disposed, there's 0 zippo no vetting. Just mis-intrpreted source and reaction. But I digress... I'm kidding half way here... don't over react ahaha HUH???????? Holy smokes.....What are you trying to say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 34 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: I’ve told them the same since early Feb any gotten the sane responses. Persistence won this year, A few folks always hang on no matter how it looks and end up sad. That’s their choice What do you mean by "a few folks hang on"? Hang on to what? Observing the weather? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 We pray we don’t 1888 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
512high Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: No argument from me... In fact, I was digging around out in the main forum with those seasonal outlooks and found a post I made back in October hinting pretty strongly that I feared no reason to go against the climate migration model and the HC expansion/fast flow contamination issues ruining this winter, just like last year. Gee, what the f happened? Sorry, it's pretty clear that we had trouble with stream mechanical phasing, and cyclgonic entropy was large because of the torn open atmosphere. Yeah, I've been warning for a long time now ( meaning five seven or eight years ) that most these seasonal outlooks, few appear to have taken the latest research/observations/CC factors into account and still prog with too many vestigial influences of 1965 causation manifolds between water, land, and the more ephermal atmospheric indicators. They are not valid in 2020 ... hint - those method/validity started eroding in usefulness ... roughly around the onset and post the super-nino of 1997, and have gotten really quite obviously less than useful in the last five years. I was just talking to Harvey Leonard earlier today about this, he made this statement to me, which was a veritable echo of my own sentiments I made in a passing comment/missive in one of these scrolled threads in here, a couple of months ago: "I have never really seen one quite like this, for combo of warmth, and not even any “close calls,” or “near misses” since mid December." In concept this is exactly what I said to y'all, 'it is getting increasingly more difficult to sustain a snow potential atmosphere at our latitudes of North America, without some sort of either concurrent or antecedent, direct -EPO loading to support' I dunno - when combining the total worldly perspective on matters, we may already be in a Philly climate now... Wouldn't shock me. I mean, most empirical evidence to date in support of the CC stuff, shows that the change has exceeded modeling expectations ...in some case by decade(s) depending on the focused metric. Why not blow our f'n winters away too - But, before anyone panics, even in a Philly climate ( if more than merely tongue-in-cheek) it snowed a foot last week south of there in the slope country of the Carolinas. There are no absolute boundaries in climate, it's all about rarity. Yes, I remember back you kept saying FAST FLOW, in and out before something has a chance, etc. With that said, for the near term do you see that slowing down some heading into Spring? And is there a chance that this fast flow will begin again next Fall into winter 2020/21 for another ratter if you will? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 38 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: I’ve told them the same since early Feb any gotten the sane responses. Persistence won this year, A few folks always hang on no matter how it looks and end up sad. That’s their choice I don’t see 2012. Not sure why we keep saying that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said: Other than warmth . Sister 2012 lol...yeah, next few days are definitely warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: No argument from me... In fact, I was digging around out in the main forum with those seasonal outlooks and found a post I made back in October hinting pretty strongly that I feared no reason to go against the climate migration model and the HC expansion/fast flow contamination issues ruining this winter, just like last year. Gee, what the f happened? Sorry, it's pretty clear that we had trouble with stream mechanical phasing, and cyclgonic entropy was large because of the torn open atmosphere. Yeah, I've been warning for a long time now ( meaning five seven or eight years ) that most these seasonal outlooks, few appear to have taken the latest research/observations/CC factors into account and still prog with too many vestigial influences of 1965 causation manifolds between water, land, and the more ephermal atmospheric indicators. They are not valid in 2020 ... hint - those method/validity started eroding in usefulness ... roughly around the onset and post the super-nino of 1997, and have gotten really quite obviously less than useful in the last five years. I was just talking to Harvey Leonard earlier today about this, he made this statement to me, which was a veritable echo of my own sentiments I made in a passing comment/missive in one of these scrolled threads in here, a couple of months ago: "I have never really seen one quite like this, for combo of warmth, and not even any “close calls,” or “near misses” since mid December." In concept this is exactly what I said to y'all, 'it is getting increasingly more difficult to sustain a snow potential atmosphere at our latitudes of North America, without some sort of either concurrent or antecedent, direct -EPO loading to support' I dunno - when combining the total worldly perspective on matters, we may already be in a Philly climate now... Wouldn't shock me. I mean, most empirical evidence to date in support of the CC stuff, shows that the change has exceeded modeling expectations ...in some case by decade(s) depending on the focused metric. Why not blow our f'n winters away too - But, before anyone panics, even in a Philly climate ( if more than merely tongue-in-cheek) it snowed a foot last week south of there in the slope country of the Carolinas. There are no absolute boundaries in climate, it's all about rarity. If we can warm another 4F in the next few years then we could be the new Philly. I'm a little skeptical of that rate of warming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Moonlit Sky Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: HUH???????? Holy smokes.....What are you trying to say? Perhaps: traditional gatekeepers of knowledge (i.e. actual experts in a given field) are placed on the same plane as literally everyone else in the world when it comes to the spread and digestion of knowledge. The end result seems to have been the great devaluation of education and expertise as virtues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just now, CoastalWx said: I don’t see 2012. Not sure why we keep saying that. Emotions before science... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, WinterWolf said: HUH???????? Holy smokes.....What are you trying to say? You're problem is that you think I'm trying to predict something there... that's an OP ed approach and conveyance - look up what that means. Opinion piecing isn't what you are after there - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: If we can warm another 4F in the next few years then we could be the new Philly. I'm a little skeptical of that rate of warming. don't be so literal it's a goodly bit tongue-in-cheek. "It wouldn't shock me" is a common trope for half hearted seriousness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 18 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: It may never snow again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 In all seriousness it's nearly impossible to pull off a 2012 torch. Iirc I think there were around 7-8 days in Morch 12 that were like +20-30. Haha. But a torch is a torch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 26 minutes ago, Dr. Dews said: In all seriousness it's nearly impossible to pull off a 2012 torch. Iirc I think there were around 7-8 days in Morch 12 that were like +20-30. Haha. But a torch is a torch We did like 5 straight days of 80s right up into NNE mid month. You need the perfect pattern with no pack and mud season almost over to pull that off...impressive feat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Typhoon Tip said: Oh, 1888 is coming ... that's the thing, people read missives like that, latch on to one thing, and then almost compulsively over-react - but ... this is what happens when you give provincial rabble that virtual podium and mike of the Internet - Also, you get sociological histrionic crisis' that flirts with anarchistic meltdown. Space and remoteness, and dimmer technology used to protect actually, because by the time time "word" spread, it was already marinaded to truth by the crucible of time it took to actually get that word around. Now, it's so easily disposed, there's 0 zippo no vetting. Just misinterpreted source and reaction. But I digress... I'm kidding half way here... don't over react ahaha I was joking ya know. Talk to me when we warm +3/4 for a decade and average less than 20 inches of snow. It's not the warmest winter on record but certainly a ratter. It happens just like 2015 happens. Warmer overall but I kind of think hyperbolic is the way to go at all times 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, dendrite said: We did like 5 straight days of 80s right up into NNE mid month. You need the perfect pattern with no pack and mud season almost over to pull that off...impressive feat. That was april though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 Just looked at some records for march 2012, here's hfd. Unusually dry too which makes sense Sum 1789 1130 - - 552 4 1.52 1.7 Average 57.7 36.5 47.1 9.3 - - - - Normal 47.7 27.9 37.8 - 843 0 3.62 6.4 2012-03-02 34 26 30.0 -3.3 35 0 0.09 0.3 2012-03-03 48 32 40.0 6.4 25 0 0.32 0.0 2012-03-04 42 27 34.5 0.6 30 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-05 37 21 29.0 -5.1 36 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-06 41 15 28.0 -6.4 37 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-07 60 32 46.0 11.3 19 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-08 68 43 55.5 20.5 9 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-09 59 32 45.5 10.2 19 0 0.01 T 2012-03-10 43 27 35.0 -0.6 30 0 T T 2012-03-11 60 27 43.5 7.6 21 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-12 74 30 52.0 15.7 13 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-13 72 49 60.5 23.9 4 0 0.02 0.0 2012-03-14 67 42 54.5 17.6 10 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-15 55 39 47.0 9.8 18 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-16 49 41 45.0 7.4 20 0 0.04 0.0 2012-03-17 57 43 50.0 12.1 15 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-18 72 39 55.5 17.2 9 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-19 79 39 59.0 20.4 6 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-20 79 46 62.5 23.5 2 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-21 75 52 63.5 24.1 1 0 T 0.0 2012-03-22 83 54 68.5 28.8 0 4 0.00 0.0 2012-03-23 75 53 64.0 23.9 1 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-24 64 49 56.5 16.0 8 0 T 0.0 2012-03-25 51 42 46.5 5.6 18 0 0.01 0.0 2012-03-26 53 31 42.0 0.7 23 0 T 0.0 2012-03-27 50 25 37.5 -4.2 27 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-28 56 38 47.0 4.9 18 0 0.18 0.0 2012-03-29 53 41 47.0 4.5 18 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-30 53 35 44.0 1.1 21 0 0.00 0.0 2012-03-31 46 33 39.5 -3.8 25 0 0.34 0.3 Observations for each day cover the 24 hours ending at the time given below (Local Standard Time). Max Temperature : midnight Min Temperature : midnight Precipitation : midnight Snowfall : unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Dr. Dews said: In all seriousness it's nearly impossible to pull off a 2012 torch. Iirc I think there were around 7-8 days in Morch 12 that were like +20-30. Haha. But a torch is a torch I was skiing at Sunapee in March 18 that year. 80F and rivers running off the slopes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 44 minutes ago, Dr. Dews said: That was april though? Morch that year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Damage In Tolland said: I’ve told them the same since early Feb any gotten the sane responses. Persistence won this year, A few folks always hang on no matter how it looks and end up sad. That’s their choice Snowing here in Mass right now. In Feb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 16 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: Snowing here in Mass right now. In Feb. Imagine that...didn't know that was still a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 This winter is like the chick who left you and you have know idea why. I don’t know what the fook happened and how we ended up this way. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 33 minutes ago, HoarfrostHubb said: I was skiing at Sunapee in March 18 that year. 80F and rivers running off the slopes Golf courses here in the middle of VT at 1000’+ elevation opened here that year. I remember going to play and taking a dirt road to get there. Got stuck in the mud and had to call a tow truck to get out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: This winter is like the chick who left you and you have know idea why. I don’t know what the fook happened and how we ended up this way. Quite possible she never wanted to be with us in the first place. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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