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Tracking Convection Chances- Better Odds then a Winter SECS


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Well, nothing better than tracking legit t- storm chances in February rather then tracking GFS 10 day fantasy snow storms in a miserable snow producing pattern. Lets see if we can get flood warnings to t- storms in this crazy pattern since there is way more more warm air available to produce flooding rains and t-storms than cold air to produce heavy snow. Lets start off this topic by discussing this afternoons Mt Holly discussion about the triple point threat- always a severe t-storm in late April for us when we get into this situation. Lets see if we can manage some serious discussion about this particular threat along with above normal temps. Time to get off the snow-deprived train. 

By Friday, a kicker shortwave will ride southeastward across
the Plains and finally push the stalled trough along. At the
surface, this will translate to a final push as a more
noticeable surface low forms across the Southeast and pushes up
the I-95 corridor Friday, with the triple point moving directly
over our area. This will not come as anything different than
what we`ve seen thus far this winter with another unfavorable
storm track for appreciable snow fall. No significant snowfall
is forecast for the next seven days. We`ll just have to maintain
patience for now.

 

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  Latest Mt Holly discussion-----------------Thursday night into Friday the low over the central United
States will finally swing east and take on a negative tilt. The
ECMWF, GFS, and CMC all show slightly different solutions here.
The GFS has surface low pressure heading northeast over the
coastal plain of NJ. The ECMWF has the low heading northeast
towards Ontario. The CMC is a hybrid of the two. Either way, wet
weather looks to persist into Friday. The latest run of the GEFS
shows a widespread 1 to 2" possible for the Wednesday through
Friday period, while the EPS run has totals closer to two
inches. Saturday, drier weather will return with another upper
level low approaching from the west.

 

Potential for some good flooding at least

 

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as per Mt Holly this morning--- we track  since no big snows seen as of yet

Due to the heavy rain falling on top of already wet soil we could
certainly have some nuisance flooding and significant rises on local
area small rivers and streams. If widespread rainfall totals reach
or exceed 2 inches then additional flooding would be possible. Given
that the axis of heaviest rain may occur near and especially east of
I-95, held off on any flood watches. Event rainfall totals are
forecast to be 1.5-2.5 inches with local amounts close to 3 inches.

In addition, at least some guidance shows a little instability
developing primarily across portions of Delmarva early Friday
morning as the surface low passes nearby and ahead of the cold
front. The soundings look on the moist side which may result in
rather limited instability, however given the robust wind fields
this will have to be watched. Some high-resolution guidance suggests
that Delmarva could be on the northern extent of a possible squall
line. Given less than ideal instability forecast for lightning
production, opted to leave a thunder mention out for now. The
greater chance for some thunder looks to be south of our area.
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1 hour ago, Albedoman said:

woopie ===looks like t storm a good bet this morning with the passage of the front. Watch out for the flash freeze damaging winds and blowing snow?

 

There have been a couple TORRs down in northern MD this morning.

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Tornado Warning


Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Baltimore MD/Washington DC
801 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

MDC013-071315-
/O.CON.KLWX.TO.W.0002.000000T0000Z-200207T1315Z/
Carroll MD-
801 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 815 AM EST FOR
NORTHEASTERN CARROLL COUNTY...

At 800 AM EST, a severe thunderstorm capable of producing a tornado
was located near Westminster, moving northeast at 55 mph.

HAZARD...Tornado.

SOURCE...Radar indicated rotation.

IMPACT...For those in the direct path of a tornado touchdown, flying
         debris will be dangerous to those caught without shelter.
         Damage to roofs, siding, and windows may occur. Mobile
         homes may be damaged or destroyed. Tree damage is likely.

This dangerous storm will be near...
  Westminster around 810 AM EST.
  Hampstead and Manchester around 815 AM EST.

Other locations impacted by this tornadic thunderstorm include
Wagners Mill, Greenmount, New Windsor and Marston.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! Move to a basement or an interior room on the lowest
floor of a sturdy building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors, in a
mobile home, or in a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter
and protect yourself from flying debris.

&&

LAT...LON 3947 7709 3953 7713 3972 7696 3972 7694
      3961 7683
TIME...MOT...LOC 1300Z 222DEG 49KT 3953 7707

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...<.75IN

$$

CS

 

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Just issued a severe thunderstorm warning for us. Glad I started this . More fun to track than snow but we will get that later Pressure is really low- almost 93 superstorm low

 

Severe Thunderstorm Warning
NJC019-041-PAC011-017-029-077-091-095-071545-
/O.NEW.KPHI.SV.W.0006.200207T1443Z-200207T1545Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
943 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

The National Weather Service in Mount Holly NJ has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for...
  Hunterdon County in northwestern New Jersey...
  Southwestern Warren County in northwestern New Jersey...
  Eastern Berks County in eastern Pennsylvania...
  Lehigh County in eastern Pennsylvania...
  Montgomery County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Bucks County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Northeastern Chester County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Northampton County in eastern Pennsylvania...

* Until 1045 AM EST.

* At 942 AM EST, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
  extending from near Bally to near Lionville-Marchwood, moving
  northeast at 45 mph.

  HAZARD...70 mph wind gusts and penny size hail.

  SOURCE...Radar indicated.

  IMPACT...Expect considerable tree damage. Damage is likely to
           mobile homes, roofs, and outbuildings.

* Locations impacted include...
  Allentown, Easton, Bethlehem, Pottstown, Phoenixville, Lansdale,
  West Norriton, Forks, East Norriton, Emmaus, Northampton,
  Quakertown, Perkasie, Doylestown, Byram, Wilson, Downingtown,
  Souderton, Bedminster and Washington.

This includes the following highways...
 Interstate 78 in New Jersey between mile markers 0 and 17.
 Interstate 80 in New Jersey between mile markers 2 and 4.
 Interstate 78 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 41 and 76.
 Pennsylvania Turnpike between exits 312 and 320.
 Northeast Extension between exits A31 and A56.
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Tornado Warning

Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
947 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

DEC003-NJC015-033-PAC029-045-071515-
/O.CON.KPHI.TO.W.0001.000000T0000Z-200207T1515Z/
New Castle DE-Salem NJ-Gloucester NJ-Chester PA-Delaware PA-
947 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1015 AM EST FOR NORTHERN
NEW CASTLE...NORTHWESTERN SALEM...NORTHWESTERN GLOUCESTER...
SOUTHEASTERN CHESTER AND SOUTHWESTERN DELAWARE COUNTIES...

At 947 AM EST, a severe thunderstorm capable of producing a tornado
was located over Stanton, or near Newark, moving northeast at 50 mph.

HAZARD...Tornado.

SOURCE...Radar indicated rotation.

IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without
         shelter. Mobile homes will be damaged or destroyed. Damage
         to roofs, windows, and vehicles will occur.  Tree damage is
         likely.

Locations impacted include...
Wilmington, Newark, Chester, Pennsville, Westtown, Carneys Point,
Elsmere, New Castle, Penns Grove, Newport, Arden, Stanton, Cheyney,
North Star, Talleyville, Wilmington Manor, Elam, Pike Creek, Chelsea
and Ashland.

This includes the following highways...
 Interstate 295 in New Jersey between mile markers 6 and 14.
 Interstate 95 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 0 and 4.
 Interstate 95 in Delaware between mile markers 5 and 23.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! Move to a basement or an interior room on the lowest
floor of a sturdy building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors or in
a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

Heavy rainfall may hide this tornado. Do not wait to see or hear the
tornado. TAKE COVER NOW!

&&

LAT...LON 3996 7553 3995 7552 3978 7526 3963 7568
      3975 7580
TIME...MOT...LOC 1447Z 241DEG 43KT 3972 7566

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...<.75IN

$$

Staarmann



 

Severe Weather Statement

Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
947 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

DEC003-NJC015-033-PAC029-045-071515-
/O.CON.KPHI.TO.W.0001.000000T0000Z-200207T1515Z/
New Castle DE-Salem NJ-Gloucester NJ-Chester PA-Delaware PA-
947 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

...A TORNADO WARNING REMAINS IN EFFECT UNTIL 1015 AM EST FOR NORTHERN
NEW CASTLE...NORTHWESTERN SALEM...NORTHWESTERN GLOUCESTER...
SOUTHEASTERN CHESTER AND SOUTHWESTERN DELAWARE COUNTIES...

At 947 AM EST, a severe thunderstorm capable of producing a tornado
was located over Stanton, or near Newark, moving northeast at 50 mph.

HAZARD...Tornado.

SOURCE...Radar indicated rotation.

IMPACT...Flying debris will be dangerous to those caught without
         shelter. Mobile homes will be damaged or destroyed. Damage
         to roofs, windows, and vehicles will occur.  Tree damage is
         likely.

Locations impacted include...
Wilmington, Newark, Chester, Pennsville, Westtown, Carneys Point,
Elsmere, New Castle, Penns Grove, Newport, Arden, Stanton, Cheyney,
North Star, Talleyville, Wilmington Manor, Elam, Pike Creek, Chelsea
and Ashland.

This includes the following highways...
 Interstate 295 in New Jersey between mile markers 6 and 14.
 Interstate 95 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 0 and 4.
 Interstate 95 in Delaware between mile markers 5 and 23.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! Move to a basement or an interior room on the lowest
floor of a sturdy building. Avoid windows. If you are outdoors or in
a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect
yourself from flying debris.

Heavy rainfall may hide this tornado. Do not wait to see or hear the
tornado. TAKE COVER NOW!

&&

LAT...LON 3996 7553 3995 7552 3978 7526 3963 7568
      3975 7580
TIME...MOT...LOC 1447Z 241DEG 43KT 3972 7566

TORNADO...RADAR INDICATED
HAIL...<.75IN

$$

Staarmann



 

Severe Weather Statement

Severe Weather Statement
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
946 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

DEC003-MDC015-029-PAC011-029-045-091-071455-
/O.EXP.KPHI.SV.W.0003.000000T0000Z-200207T1445Z/
New Castle DE-Kent MD-Cecil MD-Berks PA-Montgomery PA-Chester PA-
Delaware PA-
946 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

...THE SEVERE THUNDERSTORM WARNING FOR WESTERN NEW CASTLE...
NORTHEASTERN KENT...CECIL...EASTERN BERKS...NORTHWESTERN
MONTGOMERY...CHESTER AND WEST CENTRAL DELAWARE COUNTIES HAS
EXPIRED...

The storms which prompted the warning have moved out of the area.
Therefore, the warning has been allowed to expire.  However gusty
winds are still possible with these thunderstorms. Severe
thunderstorm warnings remain in effect for eastern portions of the
warning

LAT...LON 3973 7610 3976 7606 3987 7599 3995 7600
      4004 7593 4011 7594 4014 7588 4031 7615
      4059 7576 4034 7536 3937 7571 3931 7618
      3942 7600 3952 7598 3955 7608 3972 7623
TIME...MOT...LOC 1445Z 228DEG 52KT 4055 7557 4018 7553 3971 7570

$$

NC



 

Severe Thunderstorm Warning

Severe Thunderstorm Warning
NJC019-041-PAC011-017-029-077-091-095-071545-
/O.NEW.KPHI.SV.W.0006.200207T1443Z-200207T1545Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
943 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

The National Weather Service in Mount Holly NJ has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for...
  Hunterdon County in northwestern New Jersey...
  Southwestern Warren County in northwestern New Jersey...
  Eastern Berks County in eastern Pennsylvania...
  Lehigh County in eastern Pennsylvania...
  Montgomery County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Bucks County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Northeastern Chester County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Northampton County in eastern Pennsylvania...

* Until 1045 AM EST.

* At 942 AM EST, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
  extending from near Bally to near Lionville-Marchwood, moving
  northeast at 45 mph.

  HAZARD...70 mph wind gusts and penny size hail.

  SOURCE...Radar indicated.

  IMPACT...Expect considerable tree damage. Damage is likely to
           mobile homes, roofs, and outbuildings.

* Locations impacted include...
  Allentown, Easton, Bethlehem, Pottstown, Phoenixville, Lansdale,
  West Norriton, Forks, East Norriton, Emmaus, Northampton,
  Quakertown, Perkasie, Doylestown, Byram, Wilson, Downingtown,
  Souderton, Bedminster and Washington.

This includes the following highways...
 Interstate 78 in New Jersey between mile markers 0 and 17.
 Interstate 80 in New Jersey between mile markers 2 and 4.
 Interstate 78 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 41 and 76.
 Pennsylvania Turnpike between exits 312 and 320.
 Northeast Extension between exits A31 and A56.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Wind damage with these storms will occur before any rain or
lightning. Do not wait for the sound of thunder before taking cover.
SEEK SHELTER IMMEDIATELY inside a sturdy structure and stay away from
windows.

&&

LAT...LON 4043 7475 4041 7481 4038 7481 4038 7486
      4035 7486 4034 7493 4033 7492 3999 7572
      4055 7583 4075 7574 4078 7565 4083 7538
      4086 7529 4090 7523 4093 7522 4097 7512
TIME...MOT...LOC 1442Z 233DEG 40KT 4046 7563 4002 7563

HAIL...0.75IN
WIND...70MPH

$$

Staarmann


 

Severe Thunderstorm Warning

Severe Thunderstorm Warning
DEC003-MDC015-029-NJC015-033-PAC029-045-091-101-071515-
/O.NEW.KPHI.SV.W.0005.200207T1436Z-200207T1515Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
936 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

The National Weather Service in Mount Holly NJ has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for...
  New Castle County in northern Delaware...
  Northeastern Kent County in northeastern Maryland...
  Southeastern Cecil County in northeastern Maryland...
  Salem County in southern New Jersey...
  Northwestern Gloucester County in southern New Jersey...
  Southeastern Montgomery County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Southeastern Chester County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Philadelphia County in southeastern Pennsylvania...
  Delaware County in southeastern Pennsylvania...

* Until 1015 AM EST.

* At 936 AM EST, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
  extending from Marshallton to Elkton to Kennedyville, moving
  northeast at 50 mph.

  HAZARD...70 mph wind gusts and penny size hail.

  SOURCE...Radar indicated.

  IMPACT...Expect considerable tree damage. Damage is likely to
           mobile homes, roofs, and outbuildings.

* Locations impacted include...
  Philadelphia, Camden, Wilmington, Newark, Middletown, West Chester,
  Elkton, Norristown, Chester, West Deptford, West Norriton, East
  Norriton, Pennsville, Yeadon, Westtown, Woodbury, Carneys Point,
  Downingtown, Conshohocken and Hatboro.

This includes the following highways...
 Interstate 295 in New Jersey between mile markers 0 and 23.
 Interstate 95 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 0 and 23.
 New Jersey Turnpike between exits 1 and 2.
 Interstate 95 in Delaware between mile markers 0 and 23.
 Interstate 476 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 0 and 19.
 Pennsylvania Turnpike between exits 320 and 343.
 Northeast Extension near exit A20.
 Interstate 676 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 0 and 1.
 Interstate 76 in Pennsylvania between mile markers 327 and 351.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

For your protection move to an interior room on the lowest floor of a
building.

Intense thunderstorm lines can produce brief tornadoes and widespread
significant wind damage. Although a tornado is not immediately
likely, it is best to move to an interior room on the lowest floor of
a building. These storms may cause serious injury and significant
property damage.

&&

LAT...LON 3957 7579 3997 7578 4024 7518 4019 7510
      3992 7513 3950 7532 3946 7537 3945 7542
      3940 7541 3936 7576 3938 7578 3936 7589
      3938 7596
TIME...MOT...LOC 1436Z 243DEG 42KT 3995 7570 3962 7581 3931 7600

TORNADO...POSSIBLE
HAIL...0.75IN
WIND...70MPH

$$

Staarmann


 

Hazardous Weather Outlook

Hazardous Weather Outlook
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
805 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

DEZ002-MDZ008-012-015-019-020-NJZ001-007>010-012-021-PAZ060>062-
101>105-081315-
Kent-Cecil-Kent MD-Queen Annes-Talbot-Caroline-Sussex-Warren-Morris-
Hunterdon-Somerset-Middlesex-Cumberland-Berks-Lehigh-Northampton-
Western Chester-Eastern Chester-Western Montgomery-
Eastern Montgomery-Upper Bucks-
805 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

...WIND ADVISORY IN EFFECT UNTIL 7 PM EST THIS EVENING...

This Hazardous Weather Outlook is for central Delaware, northeast
Maryland, northern New Jersey, northwest New Jersey, southern New
Jersey, east central Pennsylvania and southeast Pennsylvania.

.DAY ONE...Today and tonight.

Please listen to NOAA Weather Radio or go to weather.gov on the
Internet for more information about the following hazards.

   Wind Advisory.

.DAYS TWO THROUGH SEVEN...Saturday through Thursday.

The probability for widespread hazardous weather is low.

.SPOTTER INFORMATION STATEMENT...

Weather spotters are encouraged to report significant weather
conditions according to Standard Operating Procedures.

$$


 

Wind Advisory

URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
National Weather Service Mount Holly NJ
408 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

DEZ001-002-MDZ008-012-015-019-020-NJZ008>010-012-015>019-021-
PAZ070-071-101>106-072200-
/O.CON.KPHI.WI.Y.0005.200207T1300Z-200208T0000Z/
New Castle-Kent-Cecil-Kent MD-Queen Annes-Talbot-Caroline-Morris-
Hunterdon-Somerset-Middlesex-Mercer-Salem-Gloucester-Camden-
Northwestern Burlington-Cumberland-Delaware-Philadelphia-
Western Chester-Eastern Chester-Western Montgomery-
Eastern Montgomery-Upper Bucks-Lower Bucks-
Including the cities of Wilmington, Dover, Elkton, Chestertown,
Centreville, Easton, Denton, Morristown, Flemington, Somerville,
New Brunswick, Trenton, Pennsville, Glassboro, Camden,
Cherry Hill, Moorestown, Mount Holly, Millville, Media,
Philadelphia, Honey Brook, Oxford, West Chester, Kennett Square,
Collegeville, Pottstown, Norristown, Lansdale, Chalfont,
Perkasie, Morrisville, and Doylestown
408 AM EST Fri Feb 7 2020

...WIND ADVISORY REMAINS IN EFFECT FROM 8 AM THIS MORNING TO 7 PM
EST THIS EVENING...

* WHAT...Southwest to west winds 20 to 30 mph with gusts up to 50
  mph expected.

* WHERE...Most of New Jersey, southeast Pennsylvania, northeast
  Maryland and most of Delaware.

* WHEN...From 8 AM this morning to 7 PM EST this evening. An
  initial surge of strong winds will be between 9 AM and 12 PM,
  with a secondary surge between 1 PM and 4 PM.

* IMPACTS...Gusty winds could blow around unsecured objects. Tree
  limbs could be blown down and some power outages may result.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

Use extra caution when driving, especially if operating a high
profile vehicle. Secure outdoor objects.

&&

$$


 

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1 hour ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

Convection failed in the region. No thunder, no lightning. Only wind gusts with the front and a 90 second downpour. At least it snowed after the front cleared up this way.

please go back to school.  We did have convection. You can have convection without producing thunder and lightning. There were severe t- storm warnings issued and an EF1 tornado . You do not need thunder and lighting to create convection. Why must you  insist on challenging me? Do have nothing better else to talk about other than wishing for a snow storm?

  1. Convection – When warm, moist air near the surface rises to be above the heavier cool, dry air this is a form of heat transfer or convection. The rising motion typically cools the air. As the air cools, it reaches the dewpoint and all of the moisture in the air condenses– forming clouds. Depending on many factors, these clouds can form rain and even thunderstorms. The process of falling rain is caused by convection.
  2. Dry Convection – The type of convection not associated with storms is called dry convection. This occurs when warm air at the surface rises to be above the cooler air overhead. Because there is no moisture, this typically doesn’t have cloud cover associated with it.
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7 minutes ago, Ralph Wiggum said:

My bad, I thought you opened this thread regarding t-storm chances. Dont take it so personal man, I'm not challenging you. It just underperformed up this way. 

Albedoman - Let's relax OK?  Steve has been posting a long time and is quite educated when it comes to weather and other people will agree I'm sure. We all have our own thoughts on this fickle thing called weather, and everybodys thoughts matter. We don't want this site to go back to the way is was. Everybody has their own thoughts , and I'm sure there are great ideas to consider as possibilities. Lets hope for that1 big one guys!

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