Ji Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 We all judge seasons on our own subjective data. One good baseline I use for a winter is did it have a memorable or anomalous event or was it a dumpster fire start to finish? 2016 was a 30" event in my yard. Biggest single event in the 18 years I've lived here. That stat alone makes 2016 a memorable and good winter even with lots of dead space. I liked 2015-16 FAR more than 2010-11 and 10-11 was at least acceptable by my grading standards. 2016 was a hecs and it also gave us 3 weeks of snow cover...plus 10 days of tracking it...that storm gave us a month worth of snow fun lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 20 minutes ago, Ji said: 1 hour ago, Bob Chill said: We all judge seasons on our own subjective data. One good baseline I use for a winter is did it have a memorable or anomalous event or was it a dumpster fire start to finish? 2016 was a 30" event in my yard. Biggest single event in the 18 years I've lived here. That stat alone makes 2016 a memorable and good winter even with lots of dead space. I liked 2015-16 FAR more than 2010-11 and 10-11 was at least acceptable by my grading standards. 2016 was a hecs and it also gave us 3 weeks of snow cover...plus 10 days of tracking it...that storm gave us a month worth of snow fun lol It was an amazing event on every level. Rivals the first feb 2009 event for long tracking. 09 gets the nod because NWP technology is more advanced now. I try to never want to tell people how to think about winters or events. I will say there are plentiful people that think we live in Buffalo for # of events and Boston for size of events and anything less than that is abject failure. Kinda like you. LoLoL. We regularly have warm lame winters with abysmal snowfall. Any winter better than that is a win to me. So far this year it's one of the absolute worst winters. We knew we never had a chance in 2011-12 so it wasn't a big deal. 12-13 was bad with enough action late to not be abject failure. This winter is brutal because there's been a lr storm lurking at all times that never comes close to working out. It's like a hex or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 3, 2020 Share Posted February 3, 2020 2 hours ago, Bob Chill said: We all judge seasons on our own subjective data. One good baseline I use for a winter is did it have a memorable or anomalous event or was it a dumpster fire start to finish? 2016 was a 30" event in my yard. Biggest single event in the 18 years I've lived here. That stat alone makes 2016 a memorable and good winter even with lots of dead space. I liked 2015-16 FAR more than 2010-11 and 10-11 was at least acceptable by my grading standards. Oh yeah, wasn’t trying to say there is a right or wrong. I personally love snow that sticks around so little events back to back to back are fine with me. The stretch in early 2014 was great, we had snow cover for at least a month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, mappy said: Oh yeah, wasn’t trying to say there is a right or wrong. I personally love snow that sticks around so little events back to back to back are fine with me. The stretch in early 2014 was great, we had snow cover for at least a month Oops. Didn't mean to imply anything irt to your posts. A number of people look back as 2016 being a fail year. If that's a fail year then what's 2011-12 or this year so far? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrinceFrederickWx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 This winter is even worse than 11/12- at least that winter had a dusting in October (probably something I’ll never see IMBY again). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristowWx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 We continue to hit bottom. You think we’ve hit bottom and then floor gives out and there is another bottom. A months worth of precip in Feb all rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 8 hours ago, Winter Wizard said: To add insult to injury, places such as Midland, TX and Oklahoma City are currently under winter storm watches and are likely to blow away our seasonal totals over the coming days. Sounds like I need to take a roadtrip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mappy Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Bob Chill said: Oops. Didn't mean to imply anything irt to your posts. A number of people look back as 2016 being a fail year. If that's a fail year then what's 2011-12 or this year so far? Yeah I don’t think it’s a fail, I hit climo after all. I like many littler events vs one giant one and nothing else. But snow is snow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osfan24 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 3 hours ago, Bob Chill said: We all judge seasons on our own subjective data. One good baseline I use for a winter is did it have a memorable or anomalous event or was it a dumpster fire start to finish? 2016 was a 30" event in my yard. Biggest single event in the 18 years I've lived here. That stat alone makes 2016 a memorable and good winter even with lots of dead space. I liked 2015-16 FAR more than 2010-11 and 10-11 was at least acceptable by my grading standards. Agreed. Obviously 2009-2010 is the GOAT and something none of us will likely ever experience again, and 2013-2014 was amazing and will also be hard to experience again because we just kept tracking event after event for the longest time and kept hitting on almost every single one and had some serious cold. I don't ever remember a winter that was legit wall-to-wall like that one. But most of our winters are garbage, and so when you get a legit blizzard and it dumps the most snow in a single storm many of us have ever seen, that makes it worth it. Another cool thing about that storm was that it was locked in for like a week and never budged. Every run kept spitting out insane totals. I would certainly take a 2015-2016 winter right about now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Pimpernel Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Bob Chill said: It was an amazing event on every level. Rivals the first feb 2009 event for long tracking. 09 gets the nod because NWP technology is more advanced now. I try to never want to tell people how to think about winters or events. I will say there are plentiful people that think we live in Buffalo for # of events and Boston for size of events and anything less than that is abject failure. Kinda like you. LoLoL. We regularly have warm lame winters with abysmal snowfall. Any winter better than that is a win to me. So far this year it's one of the absolute worst winters. We knew we never had a chance in 2011-12 so it wasn't a big deal. 12-13 was bad with enough action late to not be abject failure. This winter is brutal because there's been a lr storm lurking at all times that never comes close to working out. It's like a hex or something Funny, but in so many ways I miss living in northeast Ohio! No, we never got the big East Coast storm totals, or maybe something on the periphery from huge ones like March 1993. In my time here (going back to 2001), I've seen more snow from the big single storms than from any single synoptic scale event in Ohio. I swear I never witnessed a 20" storm until I lived here, and I've now experienced 4 of them (and a couple of others not far behind). But damn...even in a crap year you could pretty well count on 40" for the season in northeast Ohio, especially on the east side of Cleveland where I was (KCLE averages around 60, I think). And you could always count on some decent lake effect events after rain and a cold front went through. We'd get a good number of 4-8/6-12 kind of synoptic events, and it would generally stick around for awhile just simply because, well, it's a lot colder there climatologically than here! I won't even go into the Ohio Blizzard of 1978 (The "White Hurricane" as it was known), which...even though it didn't have a large amount of snow...is still the most severe and dangerous winter storm I've lived through. When I first moved here, it took me a couple or so years to realize the "average" snow was kind of meaningless, and that you get feast or famine in most years. That wasn't true in northeast Ohio, where the variance is far less! Now I totally understand what's what here. Get hammered, or get nothing, and all it takes is one damn big storm to exceed normal. In a way, I've actually learned to appreciate that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedSky Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 4 hours ago, BristowWx said: We continue to hit bottom. You think we’ve hit bottom and then floor gives out and there is another bottom. A months worth of precip in Feb all rain. This is the Curse of Oak Island weather. Last winter there was a chance I got to the bottom of it in March, but no here comes season 2 and every month ARRGhhh another level! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heavy_wx Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 17 hours ago, mappy said: depends on who you ask. i think many would say one storm doesn't make a winter. without that Jan blizzard, almost everyone would have had less than 10 that year (myself included) Yeah, that was a terrible winter for State College; despite getting 7" from that storm, we tied the all-time record for lowest seasonal snowfall. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Apologize in advance if this has been posted already but does anybody else find it comical that this winter is SO BAD we need a separate panic and complaint thread? That's a strong technical indicator that this winter is a pile of hippo dung spread all over the MA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aldie 22 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bob Chill said: Apologize in advance if this has been posted already but does anybody else find it comical that this winter is SO BAD we need a separate panic and complaint thread? That a strong technical indicator that this winter is a pile of hippo dung spread all over the MA Just increases the odds that Ji might actually post in the correct thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Wiggum Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 The farms in my area have been laying manure and prepping for the spring for a few weeks now. Talk about stinks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jebman Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 You're not going to believe this but I noticed brining on the access roads in Buda and Kyle in Texas tonight! Over a slight chance of sleet and light snow sometime in the next 24 hours lolz. LOL we have enough trouble down here just getting enough RAIN! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarReenactor Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I am glad this weekend's event pooped the bed. Don't need warm, a consolation 2 inches of snow, then more warm. Lets shut out the rest of this winter and have it be the worst 4 year stretch ever. Then we can finally get away from all the "this is normal" chatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris78 Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Im ussually optimistic and generally dont look past about 10 days but ive resigned myself to the fact that my yard isnt going to see anymore snow this winter. Ive lived in smithsburg for about 20 years now and we have not had a winter this snowless. Each and every time the models give us a glimmer of hope it quickly turns into a flaming pile of dog s#*t. It Is what it is this year. I am about 5 miles from the pa border with an elevation of around 750ft and im at 5" for the season. That would be the lowest seasonal total for me since moving here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestrobjwa Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 This one hurts....I'm tryin' to kinda go through the "5 stages" so to speak for this winter...but the futility is hitting me today (I guess a part of me was holding out a little hope a fluke.) Just depressing today...with the absence of the winter white, life turns grey. Even the remotest possibility of snow brightens life...but knowing we may have to give up that already? Yeah, that's pretty depressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristowWx Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Maestrobjwa said: This one hurts....I'm tryin' to kinda go through the "5 stages" so to speak for this winter...but the futility is hitting me today (I guess a part of me was holding out a little hope a fluke.) Just depressing today...with the absence of the winter white, life turns grey. Even the remotest possibility of snow brightens life...but knowing we may have to give up that already? Yeah, that's pretty depressing... Sorry brother. That was a sad post to read. you never know it might turn around. March can be fun sometimes. Cram a winters worth of snow and ice into 10 days and then November is only 8 months away by then. The clock resets...along with hope 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ji Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 i got 30 inches last year...why does eveeryone keep saying we havent had winter in 4 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Balti Zen Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Ji said: i got 30 inches last year...why does eveeryone keep saying we havent had winter in 4 years Because your area wasn't representative of those of us along I-95 near Balt and points east. You know (because we keep reminding you) that we did not get the surprise foot storm that you did, for instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydreb Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 It snowed in Mexico today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Ji said: i got 30 inches last year...why does eveeryone keep saying we havent had winter in 4 years Even if my yard only got 3-5" with the 1 good event this is still a pretty good showing in # of events and snow totals. There is no comparison to how awful this year is in my mind... 11/15/2018: 2.2" 1/12-13/2019: 11.4" 1/16/2019: 1.7" 1/29/2019: 1.5" 2/1/2019: 1.5" 2/10/2019: .7" 2/20/2019: 5.1" 3/1/2019: 1.7" 3/8/2019: .7" 2018-19 Season Total 26.5" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydreb Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Last year I had 8 events with measurable snow, 6 of which were an inch or greater. This winter is nowhere near that. There hasn't even been anything worth tracking. It's pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Its a Breeze Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 27 minutes ago, Ji said: i got 30 inches last year...why does eveeryone keep saying we havent had winter in 4 years "Everyone" or one person? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chill Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 5 hours ago, Its a Breeze said: "Everyone" or one person? Weenie rule #1: this game is 100% a back yard sport. All other yards are dead to us. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Its over. This will go down as the 2nd worst winter in my lifetime. Pathetic is the only word I can use to describe it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clskinsfan Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 Just now, losetoa6 said: Bold statement with roughly 55 days of reasonable snow chances left for n+w crew . Just saying February is lost at this point. And March snow sucks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RDM Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 2/4/2020 at 10:32 AM, Bob Chill said: Apologize in advance if this has been posted already but does anybody else find it comical that this winter is SO BAD we need a separate panic and complaint thread? That's a strong technical indicator that this winter is a pile of hippo dung spread all over the MA Now THAT'S funny! Why on earth does he give a sh!t where his sh!t falls and how? There MUST be some particular reason why a hippo has developed such a finely tuned capability to spread his sh!t in such a refined manner. Can't say I've seen that before, but how often do we have the chance to observe first-hand how a hippo disperses their sh!t? If only hippos lived on the Galapagos Islands then Darwin probably would have developed a theory... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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