dryslot Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:19 PM, dendrite said: All of NNE? Expand It still looks pretty good for many in VT, NH and ME on the euro, Elevations favored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:19 PM, dendrite said: All of NNE? Expand Maybe NW Maine? some areas try to flip on the backside but this is pretty ugly...maybe a few inches on the front end for Sunday river to Whites? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:20 PM, Damage In Tolland said: May as well wipe out the pack all the way into Quebec while we’re at it Expand good thing the pattern changed we have many versions of diarrhea patterns to choose from 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitzbuhel Craver Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:14 PM, ORH_wxman said: This time you aren't exaggerating. It's rains right into Canada including all of NNE this run. Expand Good, at least we can all join together for a cathartic commiseration. Let the tears flow, as your fellow New Englander envelopes you in warm embrace... Ahhhhh, winter 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qg_omega Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Very little qpf on Euro track isn’t bad 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 i can't even drive to snow lol at peak climo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Here's 84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:20 PM, dryslot said: Oh i am, Went from one extreme to the other in 24 hrs, I have been skeptical all along on this for one reason or another, Still time for this to change some more. Expand Admit it, you were concerned more about suppression rather then the SLP tracking over your fanny. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclone-68 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 No snow and Terry Jones died (google it young ‘uns) I hate life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Hey, at least this will clean my car and wash away all the road salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:24 PM, Baroclinic Zone said: Admit it, you were concerned more about suppression rather then the SLP tracking over your fanny. Expand As well as some thought Dec 02 with the eastern firehose was knocking on the door...........lol, I think that's the part where i mention the one extreme to the other in 24 hrs, Still not that far off to get back to something more meaningful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:25 PM, Cyclone-68 said: No snow and Terry Jones died (google it young ‘uns) I hate life Expand Can no longer say "I'm not dead yet!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulyFromPlattsburgh Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 2:31 PM, jbenedet said: Thinking the warming/north trend is nearing an end ....Trend towards south/colder likely to begin shortly...How far? Not sure but some kind of middle ground of yesterday’s 0z/6z runs vs today’s 0z/6z runs seems like a good baseline, hedging in favor of colder/south vs warmer/north Expand Spoke to soon? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 The pivotal maps look more weenieish than the basic slp/850 maps I posted. They seem to be supporting a lot of snow south of the 0C 850 line at 90 hours. Thats prob why there was some slight difference in opinion. Sounding must be close to isothermal for that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:31 PM, ORH_wxman said: The pivotal maps look more weenieish than the basic slp/850 maps I posted. They seem to be supporting a lot of snow south of the 0C 850 line at 90 hours. Thats prob why there was some slight difference in opinion. Sounding must be close to isothermal for that to happen. Expand So were the SV maps, Started as snow flipped to rain then back to snow at the end, I was going to say it has to be something with the vendors i'm guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Sometimes you thread the needle, other times the needle threads you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulyFromPlattsburgh Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:31 PM, ORH_wxman said: The pivotal maps look more weenieish than the basic slp/850 maps I posted. They seem to be supporting a lot of snow south of the 0C 850 line at 90 hours. Thats prob why there was some slight difference in opinion. Sounding must be close to isothermal for that to happen. Expand Typically the snowline is some 400 meters below the zero isotherm level. So if the zero isotherm (freezing point) is 2000 meters precipitation will fall as snow to 1600 meters. That is because the snow won't instantly melt as it passes through the freezing level. It takes time for the warm air to transfer energy to the snowflakes and melt them. Indeed passing from a solid to liquid state, the phase change, requires energy to break the bonds between molecules but it does not increase the temperature.When precipitation is heavy it takes a lot more energy from the surrounding air to melt the snowflakes. This takes a lot of heat out of the atmosphere which causes a localized cooling, especially if there is no wind to mix up the air. If the temperature of the air below the freezing level is not far above zero the snowflakes can fall a considerable distance before melting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Rains to Maine’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisrotary12 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 We're on to spring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 The pivotal maps of the worst. They are definitely way too weenie-ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:37 PM, PaulyFromPlattsburgh said: Typically the snowline is some 400 meters below the zero isotherm level. So if the zero isotherm (freezing point) is 2000 meters precipitation will fall as snow to 1600 meters. That is because the snow won't instantly melt as it passes through the freezing level. It takes time for the warm air to transfer energy to the snowflakes and melt them. Indeed passing from a solid to liquid state, the phase change, requires energy to break the bonds between molecules but it does not increase the temperature.When precipitation is heavy it takes a lot more energy from the surrounding air to melt the snowflakes. This takes a lot of heat out of the atmosphere which causes a localized cooling, especially if there is no wind to mix up the air. If the temperature of the air below the freezing level is not far above zero the snowflakes can fall a considerable distance before melting. Expand As most have in here, But some melted even before then.................... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:37 PM, PaulyFromPlattsburgh said: Typically the snowline is some 400 meters below the zero isotherm level. So if the zero isotherm (freezing point) is 2000 meters precipitation will fall as snow to 1600 meters. That is because the snow won't instantly melt as it passes through the freezing level. It takes time for the warm air to transfer energy to the snowflakes and melt them. Indeed passing from a solid to liquid state, the phase change, requires energy to break the bonds between molecules but it does not increase the temperature.When precipitation is heavy it takes a lot more energy from the surrounding air to melt the snowflakes. This takes a lot of heat out of the atmosphere which causes a localized cooling, especially if there is no wind to mix up the air. If the temperature of the air below the freezing level is not far above zero the snowflakes can fall a considerable distance before melting. Expand This should be looking more at wetbulb temperature. Not where a 0C isotherm is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:31 PM, ORH_wxman said: The pivotal maps look more weenieish than the basic slp/850 maps I posted. They seem to be supporting a lot of snow south of the 0C 850 line at 90 hours. Thats prob why there was some slight difference in opinion. Sounding must be close to isothermal for that to happen. Expand Yeah. I was looking at pivotal soundings. Pretty much isothermal for Mitch and Gene at peak. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:39 PM, CoastalWx said: The pivotal maps of the worst. They are definitely way too weenie-ish. Expand Agreed. Esp in that type of setup. Not that is really matters anyway. What's going to stop this ULL from tracking into Toronto? Someone convince me it won't with a good argument. That confluence shortwave has trended weaker almost contuiously every run for the past 30 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJonesWX Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:36 PM, weathafella said: Sometimes you thread the needle, other times the needle threads you. Expand some days you are the windshield, other days you are the bug Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Will and Scoot pulling a DIT after a pasty NNE run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathafella Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:52 PM, SJonesWX said: some days you are the windshield, other days you are the bug Expand I’d rather be a hammer than a nail.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Regardless, a cold Janvember rain for the chickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 6:54 PM, dendrite said: Will and Scoot pulling a DIT after a pasty NNE run. Expand I honestly haven’t looked at those maps today. But in the past I was wondering how the F was it generating the snow that it did with those temperatures at 925 and 850. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 7:05 PM, CoastalWx said: I honestly haven’t looked at those maps today. But in the past I was wondering how the F was it generating the snow that it did with those temperatures at 925 and 850. Expand I’m just going by the soundings they have. They looked isothermal where it was painting snow. Maybe they improved the ptype maps with all of the mandatory levels added. I didn’t look at a clown though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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