MJO812 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, The 4 Seasons said: Here's something for @snow88 and other NYC dwellers "What if we told you that January 2020 had more than double the amount of snow that January 2019 had in Central Park?" Jan 2019: 1.1" Jan 2020: 2.3" 209% more snow than last Jan. LOL. What if I told you that I'm starting to hate winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raindancewx Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I'm aware of the sensor thing you guys talk about. My thing is, Massachusetts looks warmer inland anyway, so I don't think it matters much, except for where the core of the heat has been in the Northeast? I use Boston as regional proxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
512high Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, Snow88 said: What if I told you that I'm starting to hate winter. With all those posts? I don't think so! I'm hoping we get dumped on soon, what other choice do we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 1 hour ago, 512high said: With all those posts? I don't think so! I'm hoping we get dumped on soon, what other choice do we have. mild and dry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, raindancewx said: I'm aware of the sensor thing you guys talk about. My thing is, Massachusetts looks warmer inland anyway, so I don't think it matters much, except for where the core of the heat has been in the Northeast? I use Boston as regional proxy. BOS is +9.4 but the map shows them in the +6 to +8 range. So it seems the map is ignoring them. Bot sure where that little patch inland is coming from. Maybe some coops...not sure. First order sites aren’t that warm. It has definitely been a furnace month but the BOS numbers are also definitely off. Both are true... BOS +9.4 ORH +7.1 PVD +7.1 BDL +7.4 MQE +6.9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 6 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said: Because god hates you A BECS, at some point, is guaranteed now. As always ...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 2 hours ago, ORH_wxman said: BOS is +9.4 but the map shows them in the +6 to +8 range. So it seems the map is ignoring them. Bot sure where that little patch inland is coming from. Maybe some coops...not sure. First order sites aren’t that warm. It has definitely been a furnace month but the BOS numbers are also definitely off. Both are true... BOS +9.4 ORH +7.1 PVD +7.1 BDL +7.4 MQE +6.9 it looks like there is a little dot of darker red over bos for 8-10 to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 4 hours ago, Snow88 said: What if I told you that I'm starting to hate winter. New York City is a shit hole for snow, you've just been lucky in the 2000s. 15-16 would have been a winter just like this, maybe worse if it wasn't for the Jan 23rd 2016 HECS 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Fail https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/accuweathers-2019-2020-us-winter-forecast/592125 They said Boston and NYC were going to have above average snowfall. Alot of people thought the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWx Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 39 minutes ago, Snow88 said: Fail https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/accuweathers-2019-2020-us-winter-forecast/592125 They said Boston and NYC were going to have above average snowfall. Alot of people thought the same. OK, I NEVER come into threads like this.. but I just had to look. I'm assuming you are fairly young because of comments like this. One thing I've learned since watching the weather as a hobby since 1978 in SNE area is you never, never, never look at a long range forecast especially Winter and take it to heart in any way, shape or form. I mean it's nice to look at possible seasonal trends but forecast a whole season.. forget it! If you think the past couple years are bad, you should see what we went through around here from like 1982 through 1991. Let's just hope we're not starting another decade like that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogmios Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Snow88 said: Fail https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/accuweathers-2019-2020-us-winter-forecast/592125 They said Boston and NYC were going to have above average snowfall. Alot of people thought the same. Bet you didn't take a look at Brett Anderson's forecast for Canada a little latter down the road: https://www.accuweather.com/en/weather-news/accuweathers-2019-2020-canada-winter-forecast/600647 The US forecast for us is a forerunner where the Canadian forecast is a correlation to the pattern that is expected to happen. And any person who actually read the Canadian prediction say in Boston and saw the tag line rain and ice for Halifax and St. John should have been red flags for anyone in Boston, Portland, and New York under a chronic SW air flow. But as we can see even this forecast is a bust for the people in southern Ontario. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlantStickers Anonymous Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 The weather: is bad. It displeases me greatly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Its hilarious how the MJO keeps avoiding the cold phases. It's now modeled to go into the COD and then out into 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 Wouldn’t surprise me if this pattern persists for the long haul. The pacific is big heater and it needs to cool off, and I don’t know what mechanism would do that anytime soon. I think that little snowy epoch we had for about 15 years blew itself out finally. It’s the mid west’s turn in the barrel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 8 minutes ago, cleetussnow said: Wouldn’t surprise me if this pattern persists for the long haul. The pacific is big heater and it needs to cool off, and I don’t know what mechanism would do that anytime soon. I think that little snowy epoch we had for about 15 years blew itself out finally. It’s the mid west’s turn in the barrel. 15 years? It was longer than that. Growing up in the 70s and 80s there was a market change after 1992 so that's almost 30 years. We had winters like this year after year for decades before that save for a few great years/storms. People here sound like spoiled brats throwing temper tantrums because they don't like the weather. My worst winter was 2002 when my largest "storm" left 3" of snow. It still remains my mildest winter as well. The funny thing was that in late April we had a heat wave but a few weeks later in May it snowed. That remained my latest snow for years and that was my lousiest winter. So special things can happen even in the crappiest of winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 14 minutes ago, MetHerb said: 15 years? It was longer than that. Growing up in the 70s and 80s there was a market change after 1992 so that's almost 30 years. We had winters like this year after year for decades before that save for a few great years/storms. People here sound like spoiled brats throwing temper tantrums because they don't like the weather. My worst winter was 2002 when my largest "storm" left 3" of snow. It still remains my mildest winter as well. The funny thing was that in late April we had a heat wave but a few weeks later in May it snowed. That remained my latest snow for years and that was my lousiest winter. So special things can happen even in the crappiest of winter. You can tell people about the 1979-1992 stretch (with a special highlight on 1988-1992) and they won't really believe you unless they experienced it. It goes in one ear and out the other. If they remember 1997-1999 then they might have gotten a little preview...that was kind of cruddy stretch...esp down in CT ad towards NYC. I think what I get a kick out of the most these days though is how often people "cancel" winter or throw in the towel in January....you would have thought they learned from 2013 or 2015 but I guess not. Logic or reason never got in the way of a good temper tantrum, lol. Maybe this year they will be right...but when you do it every time, it kind of loses its meaning. Kind of like how JB never missed a KU, right? If you forecast a KU all the time, you can always claim you forecasted it when a real one hits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 most people don't care if it snows after mid-late February, "winter" or not. It's onto warm season things. Winter cancel can be applied this year since the portion of winter anyone cared about is toast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 50 minutes ago, MetHerb said: 15 years? It was longer than that. Growing up in the 70s and 80s there was a market change after 1992 so that's almost 30 years. We had winters like this year after year for decades before that save for a few great years/storms. People here sound like spoiled brats throwing temper tantrums because they don't like the weather. My worst winter was 2002 when my largest "storm" left 3" of snow. It still remains my mildest winter as well. The funny thing was that in late April we had a heat wave but a few weeks later in May it snowed. That remained my latest snow for years and that was my lousiest winter. So special things can happen even in the crappiest of winter. I could go with 93 to 2015. My first storm memory was 77. The next one is 93. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 36 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: You can tell people about the 1979-1992 stretch (with a special highlight on 1988-1992) and they won't really believe you unless they experienced it. It goes in one ear and out the other. If they remember 1997-1999 then they might have gotten a little preview...that was kind of cruddy stretch...esp down in CT ad towards NYC. I think what I get a kick out of the most these days though is how often people "cancel" winter or throw in the towel in January....you would have thought they learned from 2013 or 2015 but I guess not. Logic or reason never got in the way of a good temper tantrum, lol. Maybe this year they will be right...but when you do it every time, it kind of loses its meaning. Kind of like how JB never missed a KU, right? If you forecast a KU all the time, you can always claim you forecasted it when a real one hits. Too much to fix this year, I think the cancel calls are justified this year...of course central and northern NE have better chances due to latitude but for the bulk of CT/RI/MA it's over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 36 minutes ago, Dr. Dews said: most people don't care if it snows after mid-late February, "winter" or not. It's onto warm season things. Winter cancel can be applied this year since the portion of winter anyone cared about is toast weirdly i mostly agree, but I would say that by the time I'm seeing sunsets post 6pm I'm done.. i.e March 8th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, cleetussnow said: I could go with 93 to 2015. My first storm memory was 77. The next one is 93. Lol. December 1992 doesn't count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cleetussnow Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I was living in germany I think - honestly have no memory of it. I also don't remember 78 being a hit there, but i could be mixing those 2 years. NOW i do remember something up there in 94.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 55 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: You can tell people about the 1979-1992 stretch (with a special highlight on 1988-1992) and they won't really believe you unless they experienced it. It goes in one ear and out the other. If they remember 1997-1999 then they might have gotten a little preview...that was kind of cruddy stretch...esp down in CT ad towards NYC. I think what I get a kick out of the most these days though is how often people "cancel" winter or throw in the towel in January....you would have thought they learned from 2013 or 2015 but I guess not. Logic or reason never got in the way of a good temper tantrum, lol. Maybe this year they will be right...but when you do it every time, it kind of loses its meaning. Kind of like how JB never missed a KU, right? If you forecast a KU all the time, you can always claim you forecasted it when a real one hits. I was born in late '68 so I really didn't know any other kind of winter. Half the reason I wanted to go to Lyndon was to experience a "real" winter..lol. We live in a "cancel" culture these days and it's funny how people just want to say that word as if these months don't exist or acknowledge that it's just a different type of winter. I'm just seeing what will come for the rest of the season and hope that I can eek out a decent maple season. As it is I should have probably tapped by now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted January 31, 2020 Author Share Posted January 31, 2020 32 minutes ago, Bostonseminole said: weirdly i mostly agree, but I would say that by the time I'm seeing sunsets post 6pm I'm done.. i.e March 8th March 15th is my date if it doesn’t appear anything is imminent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 This winter could go down as #2 all-time behind 01-02 if we don't receive any more snow or minimal snow. Still have plenty of time to go though so well see. At least something to rooooot! for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, The 4 Seasons said: This winter could go down as #2 all-time behind 01-02 if we don't receive any more snow or minimal snow. Still have plenty of time to go though so well see. At least something to rooooot! for. That's a pretty bold claim considering the age of the planet. How about "on record"? There's an index called the Winter Severity Index which factors in temperatures, snowfall, snow depth etc. What's nice about it is that you can compare one stations "severity" vs. another and previous years. This year for me is already ahead of 2002's 250 points with 353 points and it's only the end of January. 1991 is next at 363 points. I only need 521 points to break out of the top 10. You can see how stations are doing here: https://mrcc.illinois.edu/research/awssi/indexAwssi.jsp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 I like his train of thought....even less snow could fall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted January 31, 2020 Share Posted January 31, 2020 18 minutes ago, MetHerb said: That's a pretty bold claim considering the age of the planet. How about "on record"? There's an index called the Winter Severity Index which factors in temperatures, snowfall, snow depth etc. What's nice about it is that you can compare one stations "severity" vs. another and previous years. This year for me is already ahead of 2002's 250 points with 353 points and it's only the end of January. 1991 is next at 363 points. I only need 521 points to break out of the top 10. You can see how stations are doing here: https://mrcc.illinois.edu/research/awssi/indexAwssi.jsp seriously? I think that goes without saying it explicitly. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastonSN+ Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 16 hours ago, The 4 Seasons said: seriously? I think that goes without saying it explicitly. Ha. How dare you. You do realize that in the Renaissance the globe was so warm they were able to grow grapes in England without issue. Our winters were probably full of perfect beach going days. Dont get me started on 1,000,000 BC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted February 1, 2020 Share Posted February 1, 2020 20 hours ago, Dr. Dews said: most people don't care if it snows after mid-late February, "winter" or not. It's onto warm season things. Winter cancel can be applied this year since the portion of winter anyone cared about is toast "warm season things" and the months of March and April do not go all that well together. And by warm season things do you mean leaving your basement for 10 minutes??? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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