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January 2020 Discussion


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10 minutes ago, mahk_webstah said:

Looking at WPC this morn it seems the low position Sunday morning is the same spot just south of LI inside the benchmark.   The high north of Maine is in a better position than yesterday’s depiction.  The storm does scoot ene from there though, not sure how that impact nne folks.  Why the slip east?

Synoptic wave development. Disturbance cuts off quickly = Minimal downstream UL ridging. 

Most ironic thing to me is the fact that SNE folks are the ones complainin’ most about this potential, meanwhile NNE is where the greatest “non-event“ risk lies...

With time this is looking more like an SNE and Northern mid Atlantic snowstorm to me, but everyone in those areas focused on marginal temps that won’t matter if the Synoptics pan out. 

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1 hour ago, wdrag said:

Good Monday morning (Jan 20) everyone, 

Am a little uneasy starting this event specific topic since uncertainty exists regarding thermal profile and latitude of the primary-secondary development but I thought it best to get this going since it's a potential national news story from the Ohio Valley-Great Lakes to the interior northeast. 

Upfront: NYC-LI doesn't look promising at this time for more than 3" of snow , if any snow at all, due to the marginal thermal profile in advance of this system.  The GEFS through 00z/20 was north of the EPS. There is still plenty of time-room for adjustment but at face value (00z/20 ensembles), this looks to me to be a primarily a northeast PA, northwest NJ northeastward into nw CT (I84 corridor) wet snowstorm with lots of potential (for a bust=no significant snow).  My take is it will snow there for a time and that this event could be substantial impact upon higher terrain. 

I'm adding some graphics - these should not amp up NYC or points south.... but for me serve as a starter for a winter event. These include the 05z/20 NWS ensemble chance of 3+ inches of snow which is less than 10% for NYC.  Then I've added..courtesy of the ECMWF and Weather.US,  the 00z/20 EPS probs for 3 and 6" for this event (6 days in advance).  I've also added the 00z/20 GEFS snowfall plume for LGA which is very low... most plumes under 2".  This all adjusts as we move forward in time. 

If you want to root for snow, root development south of both ensemble systems 00z/20 positions.  Am still concerned this will end up north and warmer (rain) up to I84.  625A/20

 

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Just now, CoastalWx said:

The euro is like a March 2010 catpaw reminder. Putrid airmass on the model. The EPS did look colder. 

We need this storm to get a little stronger, the airmass is marginal but if this storm drops say into 985-990 millibar range it’s going to really out the marginal airmass and produce snow even to the coast with the GFS track.

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Just now, NYCweatherNOW said:

We need this storm to get a little stronger, the airmass is marginal but if this storm drops say into 985-990 millibar range it’s going to really out the marginal airmass and produce snow even to the coast with the GFS track.

Intensity is sort of irrelevant. It’s timing the ULL along with confluence to the north to help funnel in colder air. What you don’t want, is the euro op. It gets too close and wraps in marine air. 

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1 minute ago, CoastalWx said:

Intensity is sort of irrelevant. It’s timing the ULL along with confluence to the north to help funnel in colder air. What you don’t want, is the euro op. It gets too close and wraps in marine air. 

Oh ok... hopefully we trend towards that. It’s a slow moving system this would crush everybody if the hit was maximized

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18 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said:

If we can somehow lock this in like Saturday’s event at d5...

Models are in relatively good agreement with certain aspects of the event at D5. GFS/CMC starting to look pretty similar albeit temp profiles. Wild card for us will be whether or not this thing has enough dynamics to create some cold. The airmass is so very borderline.

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1 hour ago, Damage In Tolland said:

My top 3. Just pounder in interior and especially elevated areas. Heavy heavy wet snow and strong damaging winds. We had 16-18” around here . ORH had 36”. Power was out for days 

Great storm indeed. Down on the coast in SW CT managed 6 inches in the last part of the storm. my sister was at UCONN and said they got demolished.

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26 minutes ago, jbenedet said:

Synoptic wave development. Disturbance cuts off quickly = Minimal downstream UL ridging. 

Most ironic thing to me is the fact that SNE folks are the ones complainin’ most about this potential, meanwhile NNE is where the greatest “non-event“ risk lies...

With time this is looking more like an SNE and Northern mid Atlantic snowstorm to me, but everyone in those areas focused on marginal temps that won’t matter if the Synoptics pan out. 

Thanks, I was wondering 

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CFS weeklies kicked the better look down the line. 500mb looked better at week 3 but surface temps high. Week 4 still has a trough in Alaska but managed to put a trough in the east with cold temps. 5 and 6 look great. That Alaska trough has to move at some point doesn't it 

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