ORH_wxman Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: It can be more extreme ... I mean we all knows this that are weather dorks, but in the Plains you can get some rather uniquely physically stressing soundings, with 19 F within 2,000 foot of the ground, and 44 F melting above the BL, where there is yet overrunning convective elements in the sub-mid levels producing lightning and thunder fall rates. It does happen ...rarely. I've not seen it first hand, but have seen live video of orange flash, thunder boom, and raining hard enough that the air appeared foggy at relatively short distances with a temperature of 19 F. Heavy or not, you're efficient - just a matter of whether that efficiency and rate of phase change competes with fall rate... Obviously, it's never 1::1 - it can be... hydrometeoroids splash on contact too.. If you get perfect conditions....say, very light freezing rain, or freezing drizzle with light wind and temps in the mid 20s....you can actually get a ratio over 1 since water expands when it freezes. It's rare, but in the paper I read a few years ago on these ratios, they did document some rare cases of 1.08 to 1 or 1.09 to 1 type stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, weatherwiz said: yup...not only are they garbage to begin with but add p-type issues into the picture and they become worse than garbage. Only thing perhaps realistic about that is the potential max area That should have always been a player on the table...scenarios like that are not uncommon in these setups In years past, It has performed well in these types i have always thought, Not so much in Miller A's or B's though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Gracie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, CoastalWx said: It's why EC soundings would be awfully nice. Yeah, the clown maps are left guessing more than usual on this type of setup. That map would leave you thinking that the sleet/snow line was nearly stationary between 12z and 18z just north of the pike when we know that is not the case at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, moneypitmike said: I'll be disappointed with 2.5. That was a 6 hour snow map you 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 4 Seasons Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Advisories expanded into southern CT down to the shore. Highly doubt we see any warnings though, criteria won't be met on either the snow or ice side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, ORH_wxman said: That was a 6 hour snow map you lol.....I missed that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, dryslot said: In years past, It has performed well in these types i have always thought, Not so much in Miller A's or B's though. with totals? I have always thought that they handled well such aspects as where the max totals will be and hinting at what the upper range of totals may be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 3 hours ago, ORH_wxman said: If you get perfect conditions....say, very light freezing rain, or freezing drizzle with light wind and temps in the mid 20s....you can actually get a ratio over 1 since water expands when it freezes. It's rare, but in the paper I read a few years ago on these ratios, they did document some rare cases of 1.08 to 1 or 1.09 to 1 type stuff. Yeah..right, secondary effect ... I mean the falling particle mass - 'how much is frozen' Impact prevent total... it has to. I'd love to read the paper your refer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoarfrostHubb Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 25 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Congrats on another lame storm. 40 inches or bust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: with totals? I have always thought that they handled well such aspects as where the max totals will be and hinting at what the upper range of totals may be Track wise on coastals and seems to be last to the party. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, HoarfrostHubb said: 40 inches or bust Time to update your sig on monthly meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 35 minutes ago, dryslot said: 12z Euro caving bringing the precip further north up here from 06z, Looks a bit warmer as well, But it was also pretty meager with qpf this far north so just coming more inline with the other models. We unpress? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, dendrite said: We unpress? Do you know of any place where you can access any airport web cam???? Need one QUICK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, dendrite said: We unpress? A little magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, weatherwiz said: Do you know of any place where you can access any airport web cam???? Need one QUICK Zhongnanhai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bostonseminole Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 alexandria is about to get hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Do you know of any place where you can access any airport web cam???? Need one QUICK No. Try the airport website? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 I don't want to talk about tornadoes in this thread. thx 1 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 lol ...when in boring holiday meeting at work ... i don't wanna talk about that in this thread, either - 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorEastermass128 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Crazy some will be pushing 30-40” on the month with another two to go in a winter that is expected to be back ended. All gravy. Of course, I’m still looking to break 10” on the month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said: lol ...when in boring holiday meeting at work ... i don't wanna talk about that in this thread, either - Weather emotions, holiday social interactions, and pyschoanalysis are permitted. Tornadoes are not. Even if they are EF6. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, dendrite said: Weather emotions, holiday social interactions, and pyschoanalysis is permitted. Tornadoes are not. Even if they are EF6. EF6 should be allowed, but anything EF5 or less I agree should not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, NorEastermass128 said: Crazy some will be pushing 30-40” on the month with another two to go in a winter that is expected to be back ended. All gravy. Of course, I’m still looking to break 10” on the month. I’m at 26” and to be honest I don’t mind at all now that the ground is bare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomNH Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 12z Euro looked like typical SWFE climo. 4-8'' N of the Pike into S NH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 14 minutes ago, dendrite said: We unpress? That was a great look on the Euro for high ratio snows in NNE. Might need to break out the Kuchie maps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowdazed Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Local news in RI is saying 1-3" and icing down here in RI. Do the latest models support that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC-CT Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, snowdazed said: Local news in RI is saying 1-3" and icing down here in RI. Do the latest models support that? Ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 minute ago, powderfreak said: That was a great look on the Euro for high ratio snows in NNE. Might need to break out the Kuchie maps. lol Kuchie Koo gone wild in NNE between the first event and the arctic shortwave. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
40/70 Benchmark Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 Just now, powderfreak said: lol Kuchie Koo gone wild in NNE between the first event and the arctic shortwave. I tried to tell some that euro would eventually $hitcan the high press memo. Congrats, me. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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