Winter 2020 New England Banter and General Obs

[ORH_wxman]

8 minutes ago, dryslot said:

So some seasons and thats in ORH it looks like 12/12 but none previous to that date.

1995 and 2002 weren't on that list since they were during the ASOS disaster years....but yeah, it's rare as you saw from my post above.

[dryslot]

2 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

It almost never happens outside of maybe the Berkshires at high elevation. The few years can think where pre-Dec 10th snowpack went all the way are maybe 2002, 1995, 1970, and 1960. Most of these were relegated to the interior too, as the CP got wiped out at some point those winters....exception might be 1970-1971.

I think 1981-1982 also came close but didn't quite do it. 2013-2014 may have done it as well for N ORH county...they survived the Grinch storm and then also still had snowpack after the epic cutter in Jan 2014.

Those dates looked like they supported big winters too as that would stand to reason retaining a pack for that length of time.

[Sugarloaf1989]

Getting some rain ahead of the cold front. 50F with areas of dense fog over the snowpack about 10-25' high.

[Sugarloaf1989]

Looks like the cold front is just West of Albany.

[Ginx snewx]

8 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

It almost never happens outside of maybe the Berkshires at high elevation. The few years can think where pre-Dec 10th snowpack went all the way are maybe 2002, 1995, 1970, and 1960. Most of these were relegated to the interior too, as the CP got wiped out at some point those winters....exception might be 1970-1971.

I think 1981-1982 also came close but didn't quite do it. 2013-2014 may have done it as well for N ORH county...they survived the Grinch storm and then also still had snowpack after the epic cutter in Jan 2014.

 

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, dryslot said:

Those dates looked like they supported big winters too as that would stand to reason retaining a pack for that length of time.

Yeah you need replenishers to sustain snowpack for most of us. Outside of the high mountain areas or extreme weenie CAD zones (like where Tamarack is), it is difficult to keep solid cover without adding to it from time to time.

A year like 207-2018 is a good example...we had snow cover start in the Dec 9th storm and it was looking strong well past New Years after the 1/4 storm, but then it took an absolute beating in the mid-month 2 day cutter and anything that survived got finished off in the next cutter a week later. So even though that snowpack made it over a month from the start point, it got wiped out mid-winter because we couldn't keep adding to it after the 1/4 storm and couldn't avoid the epic cutter.

[ORH_wxman]

1 minute ago, Ginx snewx said:

 

Ashburnham somehow kept their pack after that obscene 4 day January 2008 massacre.....though latitude helped a lot that winter. That '00-'01 winter was epic, but it took until later December to really get it started. The mid-Dec 2000 event got obliterated by that monster cutter on 12/17-18.

[dendrite]

[dryslot]

1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

Yeah you need replenishers to sustain snowpack for most of us. Outside of the high mountain areas or extreme weenie CAD zones (like where Tamarack is), it is difficult to keep solid cover without adding to it from time to time.

A year like 207-2018 is a good example...we had snow cover start in the Dec 9th storm and it was looking strong well past New Years after the 1/4 storm, but then it took an absolute beating in the mid-month 2 day cutter and anything that survived got finished off in the next cutter a week later. So even though that snowpack made it over a month from the start point, it got wiped out mid-winter because we couldn't keep adding to it after the 1/4 storm and couldn't avoid the epic cutter.

You definitely would need refreshers to maintain if your outside of northern areas as well as CAD ones too, Its tough here being on the coastal plain to go wire to wire, Sustained south winds and torch temps will destroy any pack if its over a sustained period, Most years its Mid month on where i even consider keeping one, It won't be any earlier this season here.

[ORH_wxman]

Dendrite is definitely in the "weenie CAD zone"....basically from his 'hood up to near Tamarack....including lakes region and up towards IZG.

[dryslot]

I know inland spots especially up here in CNE/NNE can get off to an early start and maintain, But i was more interested in SNE to know the areas and frequency of pack retention early on.

[ORH_wxman]

3 minutes ago, dendrite said:

How is '07-'08 not on there? Pretty sure you got nuked on 12/3 and then it never melted until mid/late April.

[dryslot]

1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

Dendrite is definitely in the "weenie CAD zone"....basically from his 'hood up to near Tamarack....including lakes region and up towards IZG.

Anywhere generally in that foothill area that's not subject to much down sloping can retain a lot longer plus are not as affected as much by southerly wind exposure as they are protected or in some of the low lying valleys .

[dendrite]

1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said:

How is '07-'08 not on there? Pretty sure you got nuked on 12/3 and then it never melted until mid/late April.

Lots of missing depth data in the 2000s. I'll have to look at the raw forms to see what is missing where.

[dryslot]

4 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

How is '07-'08 not on there? Pretty sure you got nuked on 12/3 and then it never melted until mid/late April.

Odd, If PWM has it for that date you would think that area would definitely have it, That 2007-2008 season was 3rd all time here.

[dendrite]

I mean, looking at that chart, I actually expect to go wire to wire.

[Ginx snewx]

9 minutes ago, dendrite said:

The 70s rocked

[ORH_wxman]

2 minutes ago, dryslot said:

Anywhere generally in that foothill area that's not subject to much down sloping can retain a lot longer plus are not as affected as much by southerly wind exposure as they are protected or in some of the low lying valleys .

Ashburnham is basically the SNE version of that zone....those protected elevated areas in N ORH county can retain pretty efficiently. I've seen us get wiped out on Winter Hill and then drive maybe 5 miles north to the north side of Holden and it can be 100% cover with 6"+ still.

Even within the city of ORH, I've seen us hold onto good pack on the north side and the south side is almost totally bare. But generally as a rule, the further north and east you get into the hills, the better protected they become.

[ORH_wxman]

2 minutes ago, dendrite said:

I mean, looking at that chart, I actually expect to go wire to wire.

I would expect it as soon as I got more than a 4" pack if I lived in that CAD zone.

[dryslot]

3 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said:

Ashburnham is basically the SNE version of that zone....those protected elevated areas in N ORH county can retain pretty efficiently. I've seen us get wiped out on Winter Hill and then drive maybe 5 miles north to the north side of Holden and it can be 100% cover with 6"+ still.

Even within the city of ORH, I've seen us hold onto good pack on the north side and the south side is almost totally bare. But generally as a rule, the further north and east you get into the hills, the better protected they become.

 Don't have to venture very far north or west and you can see a huge difference in the snow retention from here as we lie just below the foothills to the SE, Often times on calm winds, My temps can be compatible to IZG and SFM but that has to be in the right northerly drain scenario.

[dendrite]

Looks like in recent decades Franklin Falls isn't staffed for obs on weekends and holidays. So there's your missing days. I'm sure it'd be easy to piece together for most years. I'd best most of those missing days have 1"+.

[Sugarloaf1989]

My street:

 

 

[Lava Rock]

Looks upper jet related...right exit region. Some kind of velocity shear going on? Probably not the best flight through there, but Scoot would know better. 

Flew pwm to lga this morning and it was pretty choppy

[dendrite]

Just now, Sugarloaf1989 said:

My street:

 

How do you still have slush in the middle of your street?

[HIPPYVALLEY]

1 minute ago, Sugarloaf1989 said:

My street:

 

Yeah,  Greenfield got a little beat up but certainly not decimated. 

[HIPPYVALLEY]

Just now, dendrite said:

How do you still have slush in the middle of your street?

He threw it there to troll Kevin. 

 

[Sugarloaf1989]

Just now, dendrite said:

How do you still have slush in the middle of your street?

It's uphill after the turn and the plow driver raises the plow.

[HIPPYVALLEY]

4 hours ago, CTValleySnowMan said:

Grass starting to show along fence lines, corners, under trees etc., Still fairly solid cover but shrinking.  

 Did you CAD through the night?    My neighborhood didn’t break out of the upper 30s until around 10 AM this morning.   46F for a high. 

[Sugarloaf1989]

14 minutes ago, HIPPYVALLEY said:

 Did you CAD through the night?    My neighborhood didn’t break out of the upper 30s until around 10 AM this morning.   46F for a high. 

The northern part of Enfield was colder than me yesterday, but I got more sleet in my part of town, I got about 5" of concrete. What's left is that tough base layer.

[Lava Rock]

Pretty cool. Wife won an all expense paid trip to NYC this week. $1000 shopping spree, nutcracker Tix, private NYC tour, dinners and high end hotel. Rain moving back in now put a dent in our walking tour.