CapturedNature Posted December 2, 2019 Share Posted December 2, 2019 It's winter time...time for a new banter thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baroclinic Zone Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Bottomed out at 19F. Full on Winter outside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Beautiful day. Lots of sun and lots of melting. Drip drip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torch Tiger Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 days until increasing sun angle, 79 days until the Red Sox first ST game! Man this winter's flying along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
radarman Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 34/24 and OVC all day. Not too drippy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Full on winter. Clouds really limiting the effect of the weak December sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Yeah just saw vis. Blue bird afternoon up here. Glad we here. 35/26 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 16 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Full on winter. Clouds really limiting the effect of the weak December sun What was your total? 16.9"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 No drips at all here. Just deep winter. Only drips heard are the ones from NC NH meltdowns 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I got the least snow but will have the most left this time next week. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted December 4, 2019 Author Share Posted December 4, 2019 15 minutes ago, dendrite said: I got the least snow but will have the most left this time next week. That's why I'm OK with the 3-4" of sleet I received. That will take a lot more to melt than plain snow would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavisStraight Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Dark early and deep snow, great start to 2019-2020 winter. My highest boots weren't enough to keep the snow away from my toes, have to get some gaiters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 5 hours ago, Dr. Dews said: 16 days until increasing sun angle, 79 days until the Red Sox first ST game! Man this winter's flying along. Now that’s worth looking forward to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 High of 31F up here with overcast and occasional flurries today in town and some snow showers on the hill. EURO and other models argue for some light snow accumulation tonight into tomorrow morning... 0.3” at Mansfield would be nice. I’ll keep you all posted on whether it’s 0.9” or 1.7” at home . Maybe a good car shot from the parking lot with 2-3” of fairy dust at the Mtn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 3 hours ago, MetHerb said: That's why I'm OK with the 3-4" of sleet I received. That will take a lot more to melt than plain snow would. I always kinda based that on water equiv. Basically 10” of 10:1 snow will eventually glaciate its way down to the equivalent of 3” of 3:1 sleet. Both would have the same 1.00” water equiv. It’s not a perfect relationship, but that’s always been my rough estimate. So 15” of snow should have more staying power than 3” sleet. There are some caveats though as fresh fluff has more exposed surface area so it can sublimate more quickly than solid ice can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoastalWx Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Fluff is overrated unless you are skiing. For pack and overall impressiveness, meh. It’s cool if it falls gently and stacks. That’s when it tends to fall and slide off objects making it almost deeper than it appears. But hours later, it’s already suffering from shrinkage. I’d take 10” of paste over 15” of powder any day. There’s also something impressive about heavy wet snow stuck to trees and seemingly doubling the diameter of the limbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Fluff is overrated unless you are skiing. For pack and overall impressiveness, meh. It’s cool if it falls gently and stacks. That’s when it tends to fall and slide off objects making it almost deeper than it appears. But hours later, it’s already suffering from shrinkage. I’d take 10” of paste over 15” of powder any day. There’s also something impressive about heavy wet snow stuck to trees and seemingly doubling the diameter of the limbs. No doubt, I would too...we had some big pasting going on last November. Great for the scenery and base. I do think most events come down to LE anyway when it comes to staying power...but all else has to be equal. For skiing and even NNE vibe, the drier snow mixed with more consistent cold seems to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 13 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Fluff is overrated unless you are skiing. For pack and overall impressiveness, meh. It’s cool if it falls gently and stacks. That’s when it tends to fall and slide off objects making it almost deeper than it appears. But hours later, it’s already suffering from shrinkage. I’d take 10” of paste over 15” of powder any day. There’s also something impressive about heavy wet snow stuck to trees and seemingly doubling the diameter of the limbs. Shaking you so hard with violence agreeing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: Fluff is overrated unless you are skiing. For pack and overall impressiveness, meh. It’s cool if it falls gently and stacks. That’s when it tends to fall and slide off objects making it almost deeper than it appears. But hours later, it’s already suffering from shrinkage. I’d take 10” of paste over 15” of powder any day. There’s also something impressive about heavy wet snow stuck to trees and seemingly doubling the diameter of the limbs. I don't get a lot of paste outside of the bookend portions of the season, but I get plenty of dense powder from all of the SWFEs. I kinda like that type of snow...it gives the feeling of powder, but it doesn't get cut in half 12hrs later nor sublimate away after the first glimpse of a BINOVC. For infrastructure effects, really it's just SWE that matters. I always laugh when a place near BUF gets like 50" of LES and within a few days the pack is like 6". Once the plows toss it to the side, 30" of 30:1 LES looks the same as 10" of 10:1 in the snowbanks and it doesn't take any more force for the plows to push it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 They should keep a stat for liquid equivalent in the form of snow/sleet. Basically the monthly precipitation with the RA and ZR filtered out. I know in the climo data of yore a lot of weenies separated the two out like that, but most just labeled any snowfall as 10:1. So you got a lot of 5" / 0.50" garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 minutes ago, dendrite said: I don't get a lot of paste outside of the bookend portions of the season, but I get plenty of dense powder from all of the SWFEs. I kinda like that type of snow...it gives the feeling of powder, but it doesn't get cut in half 12hrs later nor sublimate away after the first glimpse of a BINOVC. For infrastructure effects, really it's just SWE that matters. I always laugh when a place near BUF gets like 50" of LES and within a few days the pack is like 6". Once the plows toss it to the side, 30" of 30:1 LES looks the same as 10" of 10:1 in the snowbanks and it doesn't take any more force for the plows to push it. I feel like over the last few years we've gotten more of that SWFE type density up here than we had in the past...absolutely no empirical data to back that up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Pickles has deeper snow than the summit of Mansfield on Dec 4th. Let that sink in 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Ginx snewx said: Pickles has deeper snow than the summit of Mansfield on Dec 4th. Let that sink in I bet it happens quite a bit early season after suppressed storms... but pretty cool so many folks are getting to experience snow depths higher than the mountain snow belts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, powderfreak said: I bet it happens quite a bit early season after suppressed storms... but pretty cool so many folks are getting to experience snow depths higher than the mountain snow belts. I doubt it. Early season snow melts quickly off mountain and this was the most snow so early and by far the most so early in Dec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 7-10:1 snow for retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJonesWX Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 11 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: Pickles has deeper snow than the summit of Mansfield on Dec 4th. Let that sink in i had deeper snow than the summit of Mansfield on Oct 30, 2011. I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 10 hours ago, Ginx snewx said: I doubt it. Early season snow melts quickly off mountain and this was the most snow so early and by far the most so early in Dec. Yeah it melts quickly off mountain but you’ll get scattered days here and there. October 2011 definitely, there was a couple November storms where it’s happened recently. Not last year of course but there was a storm a few Nov ago that crushed Hubby and Dendrite with heavy wet snow leaving them with more than the summit. It does happen early season...might only be a couple days of it before it melts down low and the summit passes back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 16 minutes ago, SJonesWX said: i had deeper snow than the summit of Mansfield on Oct 30, 2011. I think Most of the areas SE of the mountains did in that one for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginx snewx Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 hour ago, SJonesWX said: i had deeper snow than the summit of Mansfield on Oct 30, 2011. I think Yea but I would love to see Dec 3rd comparisons probably few and far between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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