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1 hour ago, cleetussnow said:

My wife has continental terraincontact A/T on her Xterra Pro 4 x. https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=TerrainContact+A%2FT&partnum=77SR8TCATOWL&vehicleSearch=true&fromCompare1=yes&autoMake=RAM&autoYear=2017&autoModel=2500 4WD Crew Cab&autoModClar=LT275%2F70-18 or LT285%2F60-20

i found them to quiet on the highway and nothing has stopped it whether it’s mud or snow.  AT tires usually suck at something and good at everything else.  These are good at everything.  This truck also has a rear locking diff and really matters.  

I have a Ram 2500 with the standard transforce highway tire.  Everyone says they suck and they might in fact suck, but they are good on the highway and I haven’t had any issues with the 4wd on so far.  I tow a snowmobile trailer up by the tug so I’ve seen some crap.  I am thinking once the front wheels are engaged all the engine weight and cab weight make up for marginal tires.  I am tempted to get the continentals.  I need 2 new tires and it’s cheaper to put the transforce back on instead of a set of 4 new continental tires.  

I wonder which vehicle  is the better as a snow chase vehicle. The xterra is pretty insane 4wd with the lockers especially. It’s light and maneuverable. The ram has a much higher clearance and is very very planted and gives confidence. But if the ram goes off the road somehow, it could be 7500lb problem. 

Hmmm.  No matter what these vehicles are pretty able.  I got some ideas about testing them.

My 4Runner has a center locker and limited slip in the rear. The A-TRAC System simulates a locked rear by applying brakes to the slipping rear tire. Pretty effective from what I hear. I’m just afraid that I’m limiting my potential by having these cheese ass tires. 
who knows, they might surprise me. 
it’s kinda fun to get into the nuts and bolts of how these vehicles work. I did not know Nissan had a locker on the xterra. Cool

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Binghamton

With low level flow veering westerly Wednesday to eventually
northwesterly Wednesday night-early Thursday, we can anticipate
lake effect snow showers for much of the region with perhaps
more significant accumulations occurring north of the New York
Thruway. The air mass appears quite supportive of lake snows
with the dendritic growth zone down in the heart of the mixed
boundary layer. This will be figured out with more certainty in
coming days.
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31 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

My 4Runner has a center locker and limited slip in the rear. The A-TRAC System simulates a locked rear by applying brakes to the slipping rear tire. Pretty effective from what I hear. I’m just afraid that I’m limiting my potential by having these cheese ass tires. 
who knows, they might surprise me. 
it’s kinda fun to get into the nuts and bolts of how these vehicles work. I did not know Nissan had a locker on the xterra. Cool

The biggest thing is having a locking center diff/transfer case. For pick-ups a locking rear doesn't really do all that much more then a limited slip rear end. Having a front locking diff isn't really something you can use for winter driving because steering is kind of next to impossible.

 

For anyone that goes chasing I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend a kinetic tow rope. It's kind of like a bungie cord allowing for a running start when your pulling/getting pulled out and really allows for smaller vehicles to pull out larger ones.

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40 minutes ago, rochesterdave said:

My 4Runner has a center locker and limited slip in the rear. The A-TRAC System simulates a locked rear by applying brakes to the slipping rear tire. Pretty effective from what I hear. I’m just afraid that I’m limiting my potential by having these cheese ass tires. 
who knows, they might surprise me. 
it’s kinda fun to get into the nuts and bolts of how these vehicles work. I did not know Nissan had a locker on the xterra. Cool

I don’t know if all xterras have it.  It’s a pro 4 x, the last model year xterra. I used it once in a snowbank.  The trick is you have to have it on before you get into the problem area.  It went over the bank like nothing.  

I have to look and see what the ram situation is.  It might be limited slip or some other thing.  All I know is that when you turn with the 4wd on it will buck if has it has too much grip.  Seems like a locker.  

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5 minutes ago, Vicarious said:

The biggest thing is having a locking center diff/transfer case. For pick-ups a locking rear doesn't really do all that much more then a limited slip rear end. Having a front locking diff isn't really something you can use for winter driving because steering is kind of next to impossible.

 

For anyone that goes chasing I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend a kinetic tow rope. It's kind of like a bungie cord allowing for a running start when your pulling/getting pulled out and really allows for smaller vehicles to pull out larger ones.

Plus 1 on kinetic tow rope.  I have recovery straps and hooks front and back.  I want a bungee rope. 

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Much colder air will pour into the Great Lakes region Tuesday night
through Wednesday night. There remains the potential for heavy lake
effect snows east of Lake Ontario during this time period.
Much colder air will pour into the Great Lakes region Tuesday night
through Wednesday night. There remains the potential for accumulating
lake effect snows east of Lake Erie during this time period.

 

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...ACCUMULATING LAKE EFFECT SNOWS POSSIBLE BEGINNING TUESDAY
AFTERNOON...

MUCH colder air will rapidly filter in as cold air advection ramps
across the Lower Lakes. This will likely spin up the lake effect
snows off both lakes beginning Tuesday afternoon and continue through
Wednesday night. Now for the details...

Arctic air mass will rapidly spill in behind a strong cold front on
Tuesday. While the air mass will definitely be cold enough to
provide the necessary over lake instability (H850T -12 to -13C),
there are some parameters that won`t be favorable for a MAJOR event.
First and foremost, residence time of the lake effect bands off Lake
Erie and Ontario will be limited at any one location. Right now it
appears the bands will be moving around quite a bit which will limit
snowfall accumulations. Next, guidance has been fairly persistent
showing a fairly dry air mass behind the front and this system lacks
that deep synoptic moisture to maximize snowfall. Now this isn`t to
say there won`t be some decent accumulations, especially east of
Lake Ontario where upstream connections will come into play. It also
can be said that this might be some of the coldest air so far that
we`ve seen this season. A second re-enforcing shot of Arctic air on
Wednesday will send H850T down to -18C/-20C, with an associated
shortwave providing some moisture which will enhance ongoing lake
snows. Otherwise, there still remains quite a bit of uncertainty
with this event, especially in terms of specific band placement and
timing. Stay tuned as things could change.

In terms of temperatures, highs on Tuesday will actually occur just
after midnight. Daytime temperatures will fall into the 30s behind
the front. Lows Tuesday night will be in the upper teens to low 20s
by daybreak on Wednesday. Wednesday, highs will average 10-15F below
normal with temperatures peaking in the low to mid 20s.

.LONG TERM /WEDNESDAY NIGHT THROUGH FRIDAY/...

Lake effect snows will be ongoing Wednesday night with additional
accumulations. Surface high pressure over Tennessee and Ohio
will build into the Lower Lakes into Thursday. Winds will begin
the gradual shift from west-northwesterly Thursday morning, to
more southwesterly by late in the day Thursday. Although this
will signal the beginning of the warm advection process, it will
be a slow one. Temps aloft will still be plenty cold enough to
support a lake response, though will be quite muted when
compared to the previous as shear and continued drier air
(lowering cap) come into play as well. Will most likely see the
typical south to north `sweep` of the lake bands as winds slowly
back from west- northwest to southwest Thursday into Thursday
evening. Any lingering snow showers northeast of the lakes
Thursday night will become even more sparse by Friday as
progressively warmer air continues to push in aloft.
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4 hours ago, wolfie09 said:

Binghamton


With low level flow veering westerly Wednesday to eventually
northwesterly Wednesday night-early Thursday, we can anticipate
lake effect snow showers for much of the region with perhaps
more significant accumulations occurring north of the New York
Thruway. The air mass appears quite supportive of lake snows
with the dendritic growth zone down in the heart of the mixed
boundary layer. This will be figured out with more certainty in
coming days.

Updated AFD .

Not as encouraging lol

Long term is generally a tranquil period with a slow warm up.
Some lake effect snow showers are possible early on, then The
upper trough and surface high slides east allowing for a
southwest flow to develop bringing increasingly milder air into
the area
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55 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

NWS dropped the ball with low temps tonight,  down to 7 imby..

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Yeah I noticed this IMBY too, I'm guessing skies were a little clearer and winds a little lighter.  And with this fresh snowpack, radational cooling was really maximized.  WAA is ongoing aloft though so I expect temps may rebound a bit overnight.

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Our attention then turns to lake effect snow potential. Over the
past several days, the setup shown by model guidance has looked
steadily less impressive, with numerous wind direction changes and
periods of shear and dry air limiting potential. While we expect
accumulating lake snows, the potential for a truly major event looks
to be off the table at this point
A mid level shortwave and associated clipper low will pass by to the
north of our area Wednesday. Lake effect snow showers will move
north ahead of the clipper as boundary layer flow backs. This will
carry the Lake Erie snow north into Buffalo, and possibly north of
Buffalo briefly. Lake Ontario snow will move into central and
northern Jefferson County. It should still be relatively weak during
the trip northward. Lake snows will then move back south with the
passage of the clipper, and likely intensify as cold air deepens and
lake instability increases. Convergence along the cold front of the
clipper may merge with the lake effect snow and yield greater
intensity for a few hours Wednesday afternoon. Boundary layer flow
will become westerly by Wednesday evening in the wake of the
clipper, carrying lake effect snow into the western Southern Tier
off Lake Erie, and the Tug Hill region off Lake Ontario. Flow then
becomes northwest later Wednesday night, with weakening lake effect
snow spreading out southeast of both lakes.

The peak intensity of this lake effect snow event will likely be at
and just after the passage of the clipper, Wednesday afternoon and
evening. The most favorable conditions are relatively brief and the
bands will be in motion, which will limit the potential for heavy
accumulations in any one location. Warning criteria snow is possible
during this time window if the bands become strong enough, but
confidence is low given uncertainties with respect to placement,
intensity, and longevity of the heavy snow.
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It has been a rare full week of classic winter weather in the Catskills.  Snow showers accumulating 1-3” every day on top of a decent (though underperforming in my particular location) initial storm and resulting snowpack.  Forecasted low of 10° last night but temp fell to -3° for at least two hours this morning.  We have friends coming over with their kids to play in the snow later today when it should be sunny and 30°....perfect winter weather for six kids who are 6yrs old or under!   
 

Then the meltdown commences.  This is the true theme of winter around these parts nowadays.  Build a decent snowpack over a few days, maybe a week, then wash it away in 24-48hrs.  Not complaining, just noting the reality of winter now.  We have to be ready to play as soon as it snows or we’ll miss the opportunity.  Just have to hope it falls near a weekend!
 

I hope everyone who has snow on the ground can get out and enjoy it today!  

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57 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Our attention then turns to lake effect snow potential. Over the
past several days, the setup shown by model guidance has looked
steadily less impressive, with numerous wind direction changes and
periods of shear and dry air limiting potential. While we expect
accumulating lake snows, the potential for a truly major event looks
to be off the table at this point

A mid level shortwave and associated clipper low will pass by to the
north of our area Wednesday. Lake effect snow showers will move
north ahead of the clipper as boundary layer flow backs. This will
carry the Lake Erie snow north into Buffalo, and possibly north of
Buffalo briefly. Lake Ontario snow will move into central and
northern Jefferson County. It should still be relatively weak during
the trip northward. Lake snows will then move back south with the
passage of the clipper, and likely intensify as cold air deepens and
lake instability increases. Convergence along the cold front of the
clipper may merge with the lake effect snow and yield greater
intensity for a few hours Wednesday afternoon. Boundary layer flow
will become westerly by Wednesday evening in the wake of the
clipper, carrying lake effect snow into the western Southern Tier
off Lake Erie, and the Tug Hill region off Lake Ontario. Flow then
becomes northwest later Wednesday night, with weakening lake effect
snow spreading out southeast of both lakes.

The peak intensity of this lake effect snow event will likely be at
and just after the passage of the clipper, Wednesday afternoon and
evening. The most favorable conditions are relatively brief and the
bands will be in motion, which will limit the potential for heavy
accumulations in any one location. Warning criteria snow is possible
during this time window if the bands become strong enough, but
confidence is low given uncertainties with respect to placement,
intensity, and longevity of the heavy snow.

This sucks. Was looking forward to a decent event. 

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43 minutes ago, wolfie09 said:

Pretty much a run of the mill lake effect event..

Starts out SW and ends NW .I guess at least most get a taste lol

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The lake regions haven't really been getting good lake effect snow lately. The pattern hasn't really been cold enough.

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4 minutes ago, BuffaloWeather said:

Lake effect event went south pretty quick. every model run since a few days ago has gotten worse. The low to the east that keeps coming closer each run is messing it up.

It did give the metro and or just south into the southtowns the best chance on Wednesday for warning criteria snows.

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