weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Yankees29 said: Same old story. The politicians try to scare the crap out of people so those who fall for whatever the current narrative is will turn toward the pols to save them. 1970's we were being "saved" from Global Cooling. I teach freshmen in college and it's sad to see (most of) them marching blindly along like brainwashed zombies. Making matters worse, they are also being told that anyone offering disagreement is creating an "unsafe space" and needs to be censored. I have been in education for 31 years. Today's students are among the brightest I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 minute ago, uncle W said: you got communists like Cornell Sanders and a-hole c spewing this nonsense...I have an old Mr. G almanac from the early 1980's and it was speculating about global cooling...that's just about the time the globe started warming instead... Sanders is not a communist. He is a Democratic Socialist, running as a Democrat ( though I don't think he should be, just my opinion, as he never identified as one ). There is a communist party in the US. They have their own candidates. There is also a socialist party. They too run their own candidates. They do not always make it to every ballot though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 6 minutes ago, Will - Rutgers said: infrared radiation and the greenhouse effect are MSM hoaxes the left uses to force us to buy that ridiculous tesla cybertruck and i'm SICK OF IT This is sarcasm, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Claus Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Just now, weatherpruf said: This is sarcasm, right? bro come on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, purduewx80 said: this 100%. Seems like a few members of the board were feeling the xmas blues and drinking in their basements last night. It's the boring mild weather....we need a storm to talk about. Gotta admit, it was nice hiking in the morning, will be even nicer this afternoon. It was cool but with little wind, I was getting toasty... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Will - Rutgers said: bro come on So you don't really have the truck.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, weatherpruf said: Sanders is not a communist. He is a Democratic Socialist, running as a Democrat ( though I don't think he should be, just my opinion, as he never identified as one ). There is a communist party in the US. They have their own candidates. There is also a socialist party. They too run their own candidates. They do not always make it to every ballot though. Sanders had his honeymoon in Russia...I don't trust anything ending in ists... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Just now, uncle W said: Sanders had his honeymoon in Russia...I don't trust anything ending in ists... Yeah I don't trust anyone too friendly with Russia either. Sorry, Unc, I couldn't resist that one; ya gift wrapped it for me. But you know I luv ya brother. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Just now, weatherpruf said: Yeah I don't trust anyone too friendly with Russia either. Sorry, Unc, I couldn't resist that one; ya gift wrapped it for me. But you know I luv ya brother. I love Russia...They helped elect Trump... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I don’t see why anyone needs to bring up what x or y politician says when discussing climate change. You realize that science and public policy are two separate fields. The world isn’t in a rush to develop technology needed for a transition to a post carbon society. So understanding how our weather and climate are changing is crucial to our successful adaptation. People can make their own choices like building smarter and becoming educated on how to negotiate more extreme weather. I honestly don’t care what people’s personal political views are. Just try to refrain from disparaging the science. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 enough with sham politics...the earth survived warmer and colder periods we humans live in now... we humans think we can change the course of mighty rivers...bend steel in our bare hands and are faster than a speeding bullet...the Sun will destroy the earth before us humans... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 we have a politics page keep your political ramblings to that page ... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 23 minutes ago, Torch said: Since when does high IQ’s replace common sense and history and worldly experience? It doesn't, but people with higher IQ's tend to acquire them both and more quickly and easily than others. IQ tests actually measure these areas. In fact, it would be very hard to score a higher IQ at the full scale if you couldn't recognize "common sense" or had limited worldly experience. Take this common question from the most used test; What would you do if you saw smoke coming from a window? Answer; call the fire dept. And next? Go get help ( or some variation ). Some kids will stop at call the fire dept; one we tested said he would just let the professionals handle it. Wrong answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Please keep the politics off this page. If people think 8 billion people have no effect on the planet then let them live in their ignorant bliss. But take a trip to the Keys, the Maldives, or any coastal area to see the effects of increasing sea level. And while people point out the earth has been much warmer in the past, that is true, but guess who wasn't here then? 8 Billion and growing people. The science is the science. I believe our current lifestyle won't change. Why? Because already we are far more efficient than ever. Our per capita energy consumption is actually lower today that it was a decade ago in the USA. Science is helping with all of this. Even the largest corporations are investing heavy in alternative energy. So please. Science, just like medicine is not politic. And before you say but it is only a theory, remember that gravity is only a theory, evolution is only a theory, etc. So let's everyone just hope to god we get a big snowstorm so we can all have fun. And I'd be more than happy to ever talk vector-borne diseases (tick and mosquitos) and what we are seeing. Now to go catch my flight for Christmas part II. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, nycwinter said: we have a politics page keep your political ramblings to that page ... Agreed. It's tempting to get baited in by these things. Like I said, we all need some interesting weather to talk about. 1 minute ago, JustinRP37 said: Please keep the politics off this page. If people think 8 billion people have no effect on the planet then let them live in their ignorant bliss. But take a trip to the Keys, the Maldives, or any coastal area to see the effects of increasing sea level. And while people point out the earth has been much warmer in the past, that is true, but guess who wasn't here then? 8 Billion and growing people. The science is the science. I believe our current lifestyle won't change. Why? Because already we are far more efficient than ever. Our per capita energy consumption is actually lower today that it was a decade ago in the USA. Science is helping with all of this. Even the largest corporations are investing heavy in alternative energy. So please. Science, just like medicine is not politic. And before you say but it is only a theory, remember that gravity is only a theory, evolution is only a theory, etc. So let's everyone just hope to god we get a big snowstorm so we can all have fun. And I'd be more than happy to ever talk vector-borne diseases (tick and mosquitos) and what we are seeing. Now to go catch my flight for Christmas part II. Have fun on your trip. Yeah, we need a snowstorm. Even a little one at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 minute ago, JustinRP37 said: Please keep the politics off this page. If people think 8 billion people have no effect on the planet then let them live in their ignorant bliss. But take a trip to the Keys, the Maldives, or any coastal area to see the effects of increasing sea level. And while people point out the earth has been much warmer in the past, that is true, but guess who wasn't here then? 8 Billion and growing people. The science is the science. I believe our current lifestyle won't change. Why? Because already we are far more efficient than ever. Our per capita energy consumption is actually lower today that it was a decade ago in the USA. Science is helping with all of this. Even the largest corporations are investing heavy in alternative energy. So please. Science, just like medicine is not politic. And before you say but it is only a theory, remember that gravity is only a theory, evolution is only a theory, etc. So let's everyone just hope to god we get a big snowstorm so we can all have fun. And I'd be more than happy to ever talk vector-borne diseases (tick and mosquitos) and what we are seeing. Now to go catch my flight for Christmas part II. what's the solution...this is a world problem...not just our problem...other countries are going thru their industrial revolution now...they don't follow any rules...what should we do about that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 56 minutes ago, uncle W said: enough with sham politics...the earth survived warmer and colder periods we humans live in now... we humans think we can change the course of mighty rivers...bend steel in our bare hands and are faster than a speeding bullet...the Sun will destroy the earth before us humans... We do change the course of rivers, by things called dams...we can bend steel when it is heated to a certain temperature and steel is a human creation, so that makes no sense bud.... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 It's really shocking that those who are older and have less time on this planet are the core climate deniers, while those who are younger, and have to live here for another 70+ years are interested in protecting the environment. The truth is, younger generations have a more vested interest in the long term health of this planet. Older generations can say "the earth will be destroyed by the sun" because their remaining time here is limited. It sounds harsh, but its the truth. If younger generations voted at the same rate as older generations, this country's politics would be very different. 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 The krusty old folk are still running the show because they're the ones that run for office and vote. Change that paradigm and everything else will change. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 If you people would make the effort... Someone created a new thread for this topic and yet you continue to put it here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, bluewave said: I don’t see why anyone needs to bring up what x or y politician says when discussing climate change. You realize that science and public policy are two separate fields. The world isn’t in a rush to develop technology needed for a transition to a post carbon society. So understanding how our weather and climate are changing is crucial to our successful adaptation. People can make their own choices like building smarter and becoming educated on how to negotiate more extreme weather. I honestly don’t care what people’s personal political views are. Just try to refrain from disparaging the science. Science absolutely helps drive public policy, and in a big way. From anti-smoking campaigns to the food pyramid to exercise recommendations and the dangers of mercury and lead paint, science drives public policy. Problem is, public policy is often too slow to implement changes in a timely fashion. For example, we know teenagers need more sleep than others, and have known this for a long time. Yet schools are only now realizing they should be starting the school day later. We also know that feeding children in school improves outcomes. Yet policy makers argue about this....absolutely no disrespect intended here, you are highly regarded for good reason in these parts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maureen Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 26 minutes ago, doncat said: If you people would make the effort... Someone created a new thread for this topic and yet you continue to put it here. This clearly bears repeating. This is going on for pages and it’s enough already. Please and thank you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, weatherpruf said: Science absolutely helps drive public policy, and in a big way. From anti-smoking campaigns to the food pyramid to exercise recommendations and the dangers of mercury and lead paint, science drives public policy. Problem is, public policy is often too slow to implement changes in a timely fashion. For example, we know teenagers need more sleep than others, and have known this for a long time. Yet schools are only now realizing they should be starting the school day later. We also know that feeding children in school improves outcomes. Yet policy makers argue about this....absolutely no disrespect intended here, you are highly regarded for good reason in these parts. great post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 GFS now has only three 32*-Days out of the next 16 for us, and none this year. The Ensembles look good for three days Jan.05-8, thereafter all BN air has retreated. This did not impress the 12Z OP. If this Strat. Warming fails, it means six weeks of tough noogies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I'll never understand how anyone can hold the opinion that humans have no planetary influence. We've created and destroyed seas and deserts (often by accident), annihilated entire cities in an instant, and replicated the Big Bang in laboratories just because we were curious. Deliberately extinguishing all life on earth would be trivially easy, so to think we couldn't inadvertently do any damage over the course of centuries is absurd. 5 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycwinter Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 stick to the weather politics theories mass destruction should not be on this page... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wishcast_hater Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 5 hours ago, weatherpruf said: Facts are not debatable. I studied history as an undergrad. We had our share of deniers there too. One does not debate with them. What happens when entities as NOAA and NASA screw with the data to bolster their agenda? Many scientists have looked at the raw data and caught them lying. It’s not an open and shut case. Science doesn’t lie but scientists do. Merry Christmas. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHELEG Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 12 minutes ago, wishcast_hater said: What happens when entities as NOAA and NASA screw with the data to bolster their agenda? Many scientists have looked at the raw data and caught them lying. It’s not an open and shut case. Science doesn’t lie but scientists do. Merry Christmas. Couldn’t have said it better. Many scientists think they are virtues for distorting data. Because they want to save us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, wishcast_hater said: What happens when entities as NOAA and NASA screw with the data to bolster their agenda? Many scientists have looked at the raw data and caught them lying. It’s not an open and shut case. Science doesn’t lie but scientists do. Merry Christmas. “ many people are saying”, I wonder where you get your news from lmao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Da fuq 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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