Tatamy Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, weatherpruf said: Well you shoulda been here for 2/6/10, when you only had to go 10 miles down the NJ turnpike to see a foot, and more the further south you went....Boxing Day was also a mostly coastal event; 10 miles or so from the coast there was a huge cutoff. Agreed - I saw only 3” out here from Boxing Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, bluewave said: Warm and wet storm track followed by cold and dry. But the last true Arctic air mass was over a month ago. Plenty of Pacific modification to the air mass over the CONUS. We'll get a short taste tomorrow night as a small arctic lobe swings through. Models actually trending colder as we get closer. Widespread low to mid teens look likely with very gusty winds. Probably sub-zero wind chills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 34 minutes ago, bluewave said: That season was the Baltimore version of 95-96 in NYC. Time Series Summary for Baltimore Area, MD (ThreadEx) Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Snowfall Oct 1 to Apr 30 Missing Count 1 2010-04-30 77.0 0 2 1996-04-30 62.5 1 3 2003-04-30 58.1 0 4 1964-04-30 51.8 0 5 1899-04-30 51.1 0 NYC did manage a Feb record though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edubbs83 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 50 minutes ago, bluewave said: That season was the Baltimore version of 95-96 in NYC. Time Series Summary for Baltimore Area, MD (ThreadEx) Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Snowfall Oct 1 to Apr 30 Missing Count 1 2010-04-30 77.0 0 2 1996-04-30 62.5 1 3 2003-04-30 58.1 0 4 1964-04-30 51.8 0 5 1899-04-30 51.1 0 Went to business school in DC during this time and lived in Arlington. At one point in February there was about 3-4 ft of snow on the ground for several days after back to back massive storms. Felt like I didn’t have school for a month. Have never seen that much snow on the ground in a metro area for that long a period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_other_guy Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Brian5671 said: 4 wintry events this month, 12/1, 12/2, 12/10 and today. Didn't yield giant totals, but not bad for early season wintry events Yeah I’m with you on this Cold month and lots of wintry precipitation Nice taste of winter...which is more than we can say for 2010s winters in general People talk about the 2016 el nino blizzard...that was an awful, warm winter with one large snow storm...that melted almost immediately What was our Dec that year ? + 12? And when was the first freeze? 1/2? Now we are bitching about 40s on xmas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Moonlit Sky Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, White Gorilla said: Jan 2016 was the ultimate interior screw job. I literally felt sick to my stomach seeing a dusting while 90 miles south had an ultimate 2 feet blizzard. This will be very hard to make up for. Kind of like how March 2001 feels for so many around NYC and New Jersey, although that feeling was worse for them since the bullseye was initially there. We interior folks were never in the game to begin with in Jan 16. With perhaps one or two exceptions, all the large storms have targeted areas further south and east of the interior since January 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Minenfeld! said: With perhaps one or two exceptions, all the large storms have targeted areas further south and east of the interior since January 2015. Yeah but they get more regular 8-10 events than we typically see. You really need to be prepared for snow in those regions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Gorilla Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 25 minutes ago, Minenfeld! said: With perhaps one or two exceptions, all the large storms have targeted areas further south and east of the interior since January 2015. Closer to the storm track, makes sense. But it seemed to be at a higher frequency than usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snowman19 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Tomorrow, Thurs, Fri, Sat are going to be brutally cold. Legit arctic outbreak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 A widespread 0.10"-0.25" freezing rain event affected areas just to the north and west of New York City earlier today. Parts of eastern Pennsylvania, northwestern New Jersey, New York State, and Connecticut picked up 0.30" or more freezing rain. Some freezing rain totals included: Allentown: 0.29"; Bridgeport: 0.39"; Center Valley, PA: 0.50"; Highland Lakes, NJ: 0.30"; Islip: 0.19"; Monroe, NY: 0.44"; Stockholm (1 WNW), NJ: 0.40"; and, Westhampton: 0.19". In the wake of the departing ice storm, a short but sharp shot of cold will push into the region tomorrow, possibly accompanied by snow showers and even a snow squall. Tomorrow night, parts of the region could experience the lowest temperatures so far this season. New York City will likely see the temperature fall into the middle or upper teens Thursday morning with a high temperature only in the middle 20s. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was +0.5°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +0.5°C for the week centered around December 4. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.05°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +0.53°C. These recent conditions are consistent with a weak El Niño. Nevertheless, a neutral ENSO remains the base case for Winter 2019-20. The SOI was -13.44 today. Today, the preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was -1.370. No significant stratospheric warming event appears likely through December 26, but some warming above 2 mb could develop near the end of the forecast period. Moderate Wave 2 activity could occur after December 20, likely leading to some upper stratosphere warming. Overall, most of the stratosphere is forecast to remain cold into the middle of the fourth week of December on the EPS. On December 16, the MJO was in Phase 3 at an amplitude of 0.849 (RMM). The December 15-adjusted amplitude was 1.127. For the December 20-27 period overall, the temperature in such cities as Washington, Philadelphia, and New York could average somewhat above normal despite the cold start to the period. There is a chance that colder air could return near the end of December. The potential for a full-fledged Arctic outbreak could be available during the first week in January if some of the guidance has correctly forecast the pattern evolution heading into January. Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, there is an implied 62% probability that December will wind up colder than normal in New York City. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Brian5671 said: back to normal climo at least for the time being. Hartford CT has approx 30 inches of snow on the season while Bridgeport has 8 Hartford at 20 inches for the season per their 6PM report today, Bridgeport at 5.5 Albany the big winner so far this season at 29 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 5 hours ago, White Gorilla said: Jan 2016 was the ultimate interior screw job. I literally felt sick to my stomach seeing a dusting while 90 miles south had an ultimate 2 feet blizzard. This will be very hard to make up for. Kind of like how March 2001 feels for so many around NYC and New Jersey, although that feeling was worse for them since the bullseye was initially there. We interior folks were never in the game to begin with in Jan 16. I still carry the scars from that storm. The only time in my life I ever received a foot of snow and was pissed off for days. 30 miles north of me received 0 as you stated and 40-50 mile south in parts of NNJ and NYC 30 inches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juliancolton Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: I still carry the scars from that storm. The only time in my life I ever received a foot of snow and was pissed off for days. 30 miles north of me received 0 as you stated and 40-50 mile south in parts of NNJ and NYC 30 inches. Funnily enough, that's probably the whiff that gives me the least indigestion out of all of them in the new millennium. I think it's because I got nothing – not a trace, not a single flake – so the blizzard to the south may as well have been in Alaska. There was no tease, just a snowstorm that hit somewhere else (which happens every day of the year). It hurts much worse when there's some snow to provide a taste of what is transpiring just miles away. 5" in Feb 2006, 4" Feb '10, 10" Feb '13... that sort of thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Minenfeld! said: With perhaps one or two exceptions, all the large storms have targeted areas further south and east of the interior since January 2015. Not really true. The January 23, 2016 was the big miss for the interior, since then the 1-2 foot storms have been favoring the inland locations. February 9, 2017 14.1 inches Monroe in Orange County NY, NYC 9.4, call that one a draw for climo differences. March 14, 2017 20.8 inches in Orange County Monroe, NYC 7.6 March 7, 2018 24.2 inches Orange county, Central Park 3.2 inches December 1-3 2019 12.0 inches vs. 1.6 in the Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
203whiteout Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 23 minutes ago, Juliancolton said: Funnily enough, that's probably the whiff that gives me the least indigestion out of all of them in the new millennium. I think it's because I got nothing – not a trace, not a single flake – so the blizzard to the south may as well have been in Alaska. There was no tease, just a snowstorm that hit somewhere else (which happens every day of the year). It hurts much worse when there's some snow to provide a taste of what is transpiring just miles away. 5" in Feb 2006, 4" Feb '10, 10" Feb '13... that sort of thing. Seems like the tables have turned, at least since 2017 in Southern CT. Those storms you mentioned we did extremely well (30” 2006 / 42” 2013) but we are starting to go back to coastal winters I remember growing up with lots of mixed/cold rain events in the 90s but we still had some good storms just much less frequent than we have become accustomed to over the last 10-20 years. Everything in life is cyclical including weather. I believe the 20s will be more docile regarding all snow events at the coast. We are due but are we really? Tons of moisture this year and into the early parts of this winter but unfortunately it hasn’t clashed with cold enough air. Frustrating. Another “normal” inland jack and coastal screw season in the works! BTW .56 of ice on everything North side of town will have damage from weight of ice. Fairfield, CT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadInTheClouds Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 7 hours ago, White Gorilla said: Jan 2016 was the ultimate interior screw job. I literally felt sick to my stomach seeing a dusting while 90 miles south had an ultimate 2 feet blizzard. This will be very hard to make up for. Kind of like how March 2001 feels for so many around NYC and New Jersey, although that feeling was worse for them since the bullseye was initially there. We interior folks were never in the game to begin with in Jan 16. Unfortunately I remember that like it was yesterday. Dusting is being generous, I had 3 flakes. I had 6 inches all winter. Brutal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Current temp is 31 here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Next 8 days are averaging 35degs., or about 0.5degs. BN. Month to date is -1.1[38.5]. Should be about -0.9[37.4] by the 26th. 33* here at 6am. 32* at 7am. 36* by 10am. 38* by Noon. Our main models have little of interest for the remainder of the year it seems. Some snow showers is the most we can hope for in conjunction with one Arctic like day. Well, if one can wait till Jan. 08, the CFS has a Miller A going. For reference: A 400m rise, but only a 150m drop afterward, plus this wastes two weeks. It is Christmas AM and there is SE RIDGE under my tree: https://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/map/images/ens/z500anom_f168_ussm.gif 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jm1220 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 12 hours ago, White Gorilla said: Jan 2016 was the ultimate interior screw job. I literally felt sick to my stomach seeing a dusting while 90 miles south had an ultimate 2 feet blizzard. This will be very hard to make up for. Kind of like how March 2001 feels for so many around NYC and New Jersey, although that feeling was worse for them since the bullseye was initially there. We interior folks were never in the game to begin with in Jan 16. I was in TX for the Jan 2016 event. My town had 25” or maybe more. Yup, sickening. That was maybe once in a lifetime where I’m from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternLI Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Christmas day high temps on the EURO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
binbisso Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, CIK62 said: Next 8 days are averaging 35degs., or about 0.5degs. BN. Month to date is -1.1[38.5]. Should be about -0.9[37.4] by the 26th. 33* here at 6am. Our main models have little of interest for the remainder of the year it seems. Some snow showers is the most we can hope for in conjunction with one Arctic like day. Today Scattered snow showers, mainly after 5pm. Mostly sunny, with a high near 36. Wind chill values between 20 and 25. West wind 9 to 14 mph, with gusts as high as 25 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%. Tonight Scattered snow showers, mainly before 9pm. Mostly cloudy, then gradually becoming clear, with a low around 15. Wind chill values between zero and 10. Northwest wind around 18 mph, with gusts as high as 36 mph. Chance of precipitation is 30%. Thursday Sunny, with a high near 28. Wind chill values between zero and 10. Northwest wind 11 to 15 mph, with gusts as high as 26 mph. Thursday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 22. Wind chill values between 10 and 15. Northwest wind 8 to 11 mph. Friday Sunny, with a high near 34. Northwest wind 7 to 9 mph. Friday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 24. Saturday Mostly sunny, with a high near 37. Saturday Night Partly cloudy, with a low around 32. Sunday Mostly sunny, with a high near 45. Sunday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 38. Monday Sunny, with a high near 47. Monday Night Mostly clear, with a low around 39. Tuesday Mostly sunny, with a high near 46. I would really love to know where you get your data from I have to assume that you pick the warmest guidance and post it here. If you take the average of the official National Weather Service forecast for the next 7 days it's slightly under 32 degrees which is about 4 degrees below normal which means we will be -1.9 through the 24th of December. Consequently we will have to finish the last 7 days averaging + 7 just to get to normal. The probability of that happening is highly unlikely. December will finish with a negative departure. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Quick Arctic shot coming up next few days. Then we get our annual warm up potential before Christmas. The monthly departures will be decided by the temperatures during the last week of the month. The average NYC high and low for the last week of December is 40/29. So anything above 40 degrees is considered mild. NEW YORK CITY-CENTRAL PARK KNYC GFSX MOS GUIDANCE 12/18/2019 0000 UTC FHR 24| 36 48| 60 72| 84 96|108 120|132 144|156 168|180 192 WED 18| THU 19| FRI 20| SAT 21| SUN 22| MON 23| TUE 24| WED 25 CLIMO X/N 37| 17 25| 21 34| 26 36| 31 45| 36 51| 44 53| 38 46 28 41 TMP 29| 18 24| 23 32| 27 35| 33 43| 38 48| 45 48| 39 43 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 EURO is colder on Christmas, but real fun starts later into Jan. GFS looks like it is climbing a ladder T-wise after tomorrow. Let's not forget the EURO did have a run last [Thurs. AM] week where it showed a low of 4 and a high of 7 for the 22nd, I believe. The next run was 30 degrees higher here and 50 degrees higher upstate, where the major negative anomaly was located. It is a mortal model like the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Pretty impressive for JFK to record its wettest December on record by the 17th of the month. The top 3 spots have occurred in just the last 6 years. Just goes to show how wet our climate has become. Time Series Summary for JFK INTL AP, NY - Month of Dec Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Total Precipitation Missing Count 1 2019 7.17 14 2 2014 7.04 0 3 2018 6.76 0 4 1986 6.73 0 5 2009 6.25 0 6 1969 6.16 0 7 1983 6.14 0 8 1974 6.07 0 9 1948 6.05 0 10 1996 6.00 0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 4 minutes ago, bluewave said: Pretty impressive for JFK to record its wettest December on record by the 17th of the month. The top 3 spots have occurred in just the last 6 years. Just goes to show how wet our climate has become. Time Series Summary for JFK INTL AP, NY - Month of Dec Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Total Precipitation Missing Count 1 2019 7.17 14 2 2014 7.04 0 3 2018 6.76 0 4 1986 6.73 0 5 2009 6.25 0 6 1969 6.16 0 7 1983 6.14 0 8 1974 6.07 0 9 1948 6.05 0 10 1996 6.00 0 If we can get the storm track right at some point later in the winter we can easily reach snow fall averages in a hurry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJW014 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 A few icy spots this morning. I found that out the hard way walking to the car this morning. It has rained here 13 out of the last 17 days this month. I'm completely happy with it being dry for the next five or so days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, bluewave said: Pretty impressive for JFK to record its wettest December on record by the 17th of the month. The top 3 spots have occurred in just the last 6 years. Just goes to show how wet our climate has become. Time Series Summary for JFK INTL AP, NY - Month of Dec Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Total Precipitation Missing Count 1 2019 7.17 14 2 2014 7.04 0 3 2018 6.76 0 4 1986 6.73 0 5 2009 6.25 0 6 1969 6.16 0 7 1983 6.14 0 8 1974 6.07 0 9 1948 6.05 0 10 1996 6.00 0 locally, I have about 7 inches here as well in just 17 days-amazing wet period for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 20 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: locally, I have about 7 inches here as well in just 17 days-amazing wet period for sure. This was only the 10th year that JFK finished with over 50 inches of precipitation. 5 of the top 10 wettest years occurred since 2004. Time Series Summary for JFK INTL AP, NY - Jan through Dec Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Total Precipitation Missing Count 1 1983 59.12 0 2 2018 57.40 0 3 1975 57.18 0 4 2011 55.78 0 5 1989 55.73 0 6 1984 53.22 0 7 1996 51.45 0 8 2019 51.13 14 9 2004 50.95 0 10 2014 50.75 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doncat Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 37 minutes ago, bluewave said: This was only the 10th year that JFK finished with over 50 inches of precipitation. 5 of the top 10 wettest years occurred since 2004. Time Series Summary for JFK INTL AP, NY - Jan through Dec Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Year Total Precipitation Missing Count 1 1983 59.12 0 2 2018 57.40 0 3 1975 57.18 0 4 2011 55.78 0 5 1989 55.73 0 6 1984 53.22 0 7 1996 51.45 0 8 2019 51.13 14 9 2004 50.95 0 10 2014 50.75 0 6.79" here for Dec. and 60.86" for the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 7.76” here for Dec....51.97” for the year. I’m glad we’ll be drying out, we could use a break from all the heavy rains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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