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28 minutes ago, bluewave said:

Yeah, a weak and well timed SWFE type storm would be the best bet. I am not sure if that Euro NAO chart you posted uses the same methodology as the official CPC data we rely on. I know several weather model vendors that have their own custom teleconnection indices that vary from the CPC. So non CPC sources can have a big difference from those GEFS forecasts due to calculation methodology alone.

Yes, thanks for pointing this out. We do also have a comparison/trend series of EPS/GEFS/GEPS using the same methodology - can't post it but the differences are less stark. EPS has the NAO bottoming out at -0.68, the GEFS at -0.56 and the GEPS at -0.42, all on Dec 19th.

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15 minutes ago, jfklganyc said:

I just want to clarify the last two events have left snow behind for a large chunk of the area

 

 

This is certainly the most extreme snowfall gradient between Albany and NYC for early December.

Time Series Summary for Albany Area, NY (ThreadEx)
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Rank
Ending Date
Total Snowfall Dec 1 to Dec 11
NYC Snowfall
1 2019-12-11 24.5 1.8
2 2003-12-11 19.2 14.0
3 1977-12-11 13.9 T
4 1926-12-11 12.7 9.4
5 2014-12-11 11.7 1.0

 

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1 hour ago, bluewave said:

This is certainly the most extreme snowfall gradient between Albany and NYC for early December.

Time Series Summary for Albany Area, NY (ThreadEx)
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Rank
Ending Date
Total Snowfall Dec 1 to Dec 11
NYC Snowfall
1 2019-12-11 24.5 1.8
2 2003-12-11 19.2 14.0
3 1977-12-11 13.9 T
4 1926-12-11 12.7 9.4
5 2014-12-11 11.7 1.0

 

thanks for the analysis!

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2003 NYC snowfall got off to a fast start and at one point it had the most snow for the season from 12/14-19...it went ahead of 1898 and was passed by 1948...

10/10/1979/1925...trace...

10/13/1979/1925/1937...trace...

10/15/1876.....0.5"

10/20/1952/1876...0.5"

10/29/2011.....2.9"

11/07/2012.....4.3"

11/08/2012.....4.7"

11/25/1938.....8.8"

11/26/1938.....9.3"

11/27/1898...13.0"

11/30/1898...19.0"

12/12/1898...19.5"

12/14/2003...19.8"

12/20/1948...21.3"

12/25/1883...22.6"

12/26/1947...29.3"

12/31/1872...30.5"

01/07/1948...32.9"

01/13/1948...33.3"

01/14/1948...35.1"

01/18/1948...37.8"

01/21/1948...39.4"

01/26/2011...49.4"

01/27/2011...56.1"

02/01/2011...57.2"

02/02/2011...57.7"

02/16/1996...60.9"

02/17/1996...61.7"

03/02/1996...66.3"

03/08/1996...70.8"

03/28/1996...71.1"

03/29/1996...74.9"

04/09/1996...75.2"

04/10/1996...75.6"

04/30/1996...75.6"

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1 minute ago, HVSnowLover said:

Next weeks storm looks like another non event for the coast, brief mix or snow to rain. Again an interesting storm inland but seems more icy than snowy.  Yes I know it can change but this seems to be the pattern so far this year.

It’ll be a solid event if the system is weak and not too amped.  Could see a 3-6 inch event before the turnover in that case 

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26 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Gfs again shows a big snow event for pre xmas. It keeps showing this for several runs. It has support from the AO and NAO but still a while to go.

If I had a dollar for every fantasy blizzard...

Do not go beyond 4-5 days in this pattern. Next week is still a toss up. If blocking ends up stronger then it'll hold the 50/50 in place and we'd get a good front end hit. 

Seems possible with AO trending downward.

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2 hours ago, bluewave said:

When you start seeing day 10 warm ups getting pushed back, then you know we could actually have a rare cold departure December. Notice how the cold has been finding  a way to hold on over the Northeast portion of the country. The record +IOD and no big amped up MJO 4-6 may be helping our cause. While the models are going to a more -AO, the NAO is still forecast to remain closer to neutral. So we usually need help from the -NAO this time of year to allow a rapidly deepening benchmark low storm track. The strong Pacific flow with +EPO can also push the PNA ridge axis too far east. This could result in coastal storm track suppression. Our best bet for snow may continue to be a weak and well timed SFWE type system.

Cold holding in over the Northeast

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Day 10 warm up getting pushed back

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today was the 15th day with a minimum 32 or lower in NYC...8 so far in December...not bad for this pattern so far...

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8 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said:

If I had a dollar for every fantasy blizzard...

Do not go beyond 4-5 days in this pattern. Next week is still a toss up. If blocking ends up stronger then it'll hold the 50/50 in place and we'd get a good front end hit. 

Seems possible with AO trending downward.

Agree but it's nice to see

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1 hour ago, Snow88 said:

Gfs again shows a big snow event for pre xmas. It keeps showing this for several runs. It has support from the AO and NAO but still a while to go.

But the Euro and CMC still don’t have anything. All the models handle the teleconnections slightly differently.

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1 hour ago, Dark Star said:

thanks for the analysis!

No problem. So far it’s the reverse of January 2016.

Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of Jan
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Rank
Year
Total Snowfall 
ALB  Snowfall
1 2011 36.0 34.4
2 2016 27.9 3.3
3 1925 27.4 26.6
4 1996 26.1 28.4
5 1923 24.5 34.6

 

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11 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Gefs is slowly coming on board 

The Euro and CMC have the PNA ridge axis further east than the GEFS. So they have waves that amplify too far to the east offshore. Need to slow that Pacific Jet down so the ridge can pull back far enough to the west. But I am weary of relying on that raging Pacific Jet to relax enough to make things work out.

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49 minutes ago, bluewave said:

The Euro and CMC have the PNA ridge axis further east than the GEFS. So they have waves that amplify too far to the east offshore. Need to slow that Pacific Jet down so the ridge can pull back far enough to the west. But I am weary of relying on that raging Pacific Jet to relax enough to make things work out.

Euro is slowly coming on board. Check out how cold it is on the 12z euro run compared to earlier runs. The ridge is also pumped.

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5 minutes ago, Snow88 said:

Euro is slowly coming on board. Check out how cold it is on the 12z euro run compared to earlier runs. The ridge is also pumped.

While it’s colder, the disturbance is more northern stream going through the Great Lakes rather than the GFS southern stream. But all models agree in the colder day 8-10 day trends from earlier runs.

 

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