December 2019

[bluewave]

  On 12/25/2019 at 12:33 AM, sussexcountyobs said:

No hard feelings bro. Want to wish you, and all your family a very Merry Christmas. 

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Same to you and your family. We can have a back and forth without any hard feelings. 

[sussexcountyobs]

  On 12/25/2019 at 12:37 AM, bluewave said:

Same to you and your family. We can have a back and forth without any hard feelings. 

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Exactly.  God bless you and your family in this holiday season. 

[Rjay]

  On 12/25/2019 at 12:37 AM, bluewave said:

Same to you and your family. We can have a back and forth without any hard feelings. 

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Agree but it's infuriating.  

[Rjay]

  On 12/25/2019 at 12:37 AM, donsutherland1 said:

Some global climate data (though this really should be in the climate change forum):

10 Warmest Years (1880-Present) on GISS (ranked):

1. 2016
2. 2019 (all but certain)
3. 2017
4. 2015
5. 2018
6. 2014
7. 2010
8. 2013
9. 2005
10. 2007

5 Warmest Decades on GISS (ranked):

1. 2010-19 +0.8°C anomaly (December 2019 data is not yet in)
2. 2000-09 +0.6°C anomaly
3. 1990-99
4. 1980-89
5. 1940-49

This data clearly bears the marks of a warming climate. Absent warming, such outcomes would be all but improbable. Yet, natural forcings have not changed sufficiently to explain such warming.

Total Solar Irradiance:

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdr/atmospheric/total-solar-irradiance

Global Temperature Trend (when solar, ENSO, and volcanic influence have been removed):

Paper: https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/6/4/044022

Additional information from NASA: https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

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We used to not allow this discussion but I will allow it.  It's too important of an issue.  The fact that it's political bothers me to no end.  

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 12:37 AM, bluewave said:

Same to you and your family. We can have a back and forth without any hard feelings. 

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Agreed; no need for hard feelings. It’s not the deniers fault that they can’t accept science. They became deniers due to both nature and nurture (aka science), it is beyond their control and how they are wired. Just like those who accept science and facts were likely raised in environments which fostered the acceptance of reality. 

All we can do long term is ignore the deniers until they die off. The younger generation is really charged up about climate change. 
 

 

[donsutherland1]

  On 12/24/2019 at 12:10 PM, bluewave said:

The high temperature reached 57 degrees in NYC on Monday. This warmth right before Christmas has become really pronounced since 2001. NYC has gone 17 out of the last 19 years reaching 55 or warmer in the week before Christmas.

Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY
Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending.

Ending Date	Highest Max Temperature Dec 18 to Dec 24	Missing Count
2019-12-24	57	1
2018-12-24	61	0
2017-12-24	55	0
2016-12-24	58	0
2015-12-24	72	0
2014-12-24	58	0
2013-12-24	71	0
2012-12-24	56	0
2011-12-24	62	0
2010-12-24	40	0
2009-12-24	39	0
2008-12-24	58	0
2007-12-24	61	0
2006-12-24	59	0
2005-12-24	55	0
2004-12-24	59	0
2003-12-24	56	0
2002-12-24	60	0
2001-12-24	58	0

 

 

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The rate of seasonal cooling from the third to the fourth week of December has slowed dramatically after 1990. This development is region-wide. In fact, the fourth week of December is only slightly cooler than the third week of December now.

Mean Temperatures: December 15-21 vs. December 22-28, 1991-2018:

Boston:
12/15-21: 35.1°; 12/22-28: 34.9°

New York City:
12/15-21: 38.2°; 12/22-28: 37.9°

Philadelphia:
12/15-21: 38.2°; 12/22-28: 37.7°

At present, the fourth week of December is now warmer than the third week of December was during the 1961-1990 base period (prior to the period being measured above):

Boston:
12/15-21/1961-1990: 31.1°; 12/22-28/1991-2018: 34.9°

New York City:
12/15-21/1961-1990: 34.6°; 12/22-28/1991-2018: 37.9°

Philadelphia:
12/15-21/1961-1990: 34.1°; 12/22-28/1991-2018: 37.7°

[JBG]

  On 12/24/2019 at 11:49 PM, sussexcountyobs said:

I do not call science a hoax. Don't twist words. I called man made climate change a hoax. And again, 113 yrs is a very , very short time period to talk about global temperatures. 100, or 1,000 yrs is a blip on the Earth's clock.

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Agreed. And their chosen remedy of a tax on affluent countries makes me suspicious of their agenda. Shake of the tin cup?

[sussexcountyobs]

  On 12/25/2019 at 1:06 AM, psv88 said:

Agreed; no need for hard feelings. It’s not the deniers fault that they can’t accept science. They became deniers due to both nature and nurture (aka science), it is beyond their control and how they are wired. Just like those who accept science and facts were likely raised in environments which fostered the acceptance of reality. 

All we can do long term is ignore the deniers until they die off. The younger generation is really charged up about climate change. 
 

 

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You must be joking?

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 1:56 AM, sussexcountyobs said:

You must be joking?

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Definitely not joking. I have no hard feelings, once deniers die off, the younger generations will do what needs to be done. Green parties around the world are swelling in numbers, massive gains in Europe, the younger generation cares about the environment because it is their inheritance. 

I dont blame you or others of your ilk. Just like i don't blame anti-vaxxers, or liberals who are crazy about GMOS, etc. People will believe what they want to believe. I believe that in the end, the truth always prevails. Maybe i am the moron, but i am willing to take that risk of action over inaction. 

[SHELEG]

  On 12/24/2019 at 11:49 PM, sussexcountyobs said:

I do not call science a hoax. Don't twist words. I called man made climate change a hoax. And again, 113 yrs is a very , very short time period to talk about global temperatures. 100, or 1,000 yrs is a blip on the Earth's clock.

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Climate change is a scientific theory. Not a proven fact.  denying climate does not = calling science a hoax.

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 1:50 AM, JBG said:

Agreed. And their chosen remedy of a tax on affluent countries makes me suspicious of their agenda. Shake of the tin cup?

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Yea. Agreed, climate change is simply poor countries trying to shake down rich countries. It's incredible how poor countries have managed to employ tens of thousands of scientists and alter data in their favor to try and squeeze a few bucks out of the rich countries. 

Unless...you are completely wrong and the chosen remedy is not a transfer of wealth. It is self-regulation by individual countries, closing coal power plants, etc. Just this week, a court in the netherlands (where my family is from) ordered the country to cut emissions, on the basis of human rights. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50864569

No transfer of wealth there. 

But, who needs facts when they have Tucker, am i right?

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:04 AM, SHELEG said:

Climate change is a scientific theory. Not a proven fact.  denying climate does not = calling science a hoax.

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It is not a theory that greenhouse gases prevent heat from escaping the earth, this is law. It is also not a theory that greenhouse gases have increased rapidly for the past century due to industrialization. These are facts. It is also fact that temps have increased rapidly over the past century, confirming the above...the science is settled.

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:13 AM, sussexcountyobs said:

You are a complete jerkoff, and a moron.Wishing others to die off? It would really be ashame if you or a family member passed away tonight. MERRY Christmas  asswipe. Karma is a bitch.

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lol what. Layoff the eggnog. i didnt wish for anything. Nice try.

[sussexcountyobs]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:18 AM, psv88 said:

Shocking that a climate denier also lacks reading comprehension. I did not wish anything, i said "once" they do. You wishing me death tonight lol, thats a first on a message board!

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I Do not wish that. You said once people like me, the deniers, die off. Pretty intolerant for a millennial liberal. Like I said, Karma is a bitch.

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:24 AM, sussexcountyobs said:

I Do not wish that. You said once people like me, the deniers, die off. Pretty intolerant for a millennial liberal. Like I said, Karma is a bitch.

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Yes, once. That is not wishing for anything. 

"Once grandpa dies, the house goes to his wife"

Does that mean i wished for him to die? 

Course not, you are twisting my words and your attempt fails.

[SHELEG]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:15 AM, psv88 said:

 

It is not a theory that greenhouse gases prevent heat from escaping the earth, this is law. It is also not a theory that greenhouse gases have increased rapidly for the past century due to industrialization. These are facts. It is also fact that temps have increased rapidly over the past century, confirming the above...the science is settled.

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This is incorrect. Yes we know greenhouse gases cause the earth to retain its heat in a controlled environment but we have no proof to how the atmosphere would respond on a global scale.In fact there have been centuries which had more CO2 in the environment than we have now with less warming

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:35 AM, SHELEG said:

This is incorrect. Yes we know greenhouse gases cause the earth to retain its heat in a controlled environment but we have no proof to how the atmosphere would respond on a global scale.In fact there have been centuries which had more CO2 in the environment than we have now with less warming

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We do have proof because its happening now. Each year is warmer than the last (essentially). 

I will be direct. Why deny? What is the motivation? Is it simply because it is a cause supported by liberals? Is there something else? I really dont understand why people deny, unless they work for the fossil fuel industry. 

[sussexcountyobs]

Still no one has replied what the average yearly temps were in NYC area in the 1400's, 1500's, 1600's, 1700's, 1800's etc. And we can ask what were the temps thousands of years before that? Giving computer data showing rising temps in the last 100 years is meaningless. 

[SHELEG]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:41 AM, psv88 said:

We do have proof because its happening now. Each year is warmer than the last (essentially). 

I will be direct. Why deny? What is the motivation? Is it simply because it is a cause supported by liberals? Is there something else? I really dont understand why people deny, unless they work for the fossil fuel industry. 

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It’s important to know because global warming is causing people to become hysterical like believe and  believe that they shouldn’t have children.

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:50 AM, SHELEG said:

It’s important to know because global warming is causing people to become hysterical like believe and  believe that they shouldn’t have children.

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So your motivation is to protect those people who are concerned from themselves?

[SHELEG]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:54 AM, psv88 said:

So your motivation is to protect those people who are concerned from themselves?

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Hey what would you say To someone preparing for a blizzard based off 380 hour GFS run

[sussexcountyobs]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:50 AM, SHELEG said:

It’s important to know because global warming is causing people to become hysterical like believe and  believe that they shouldn’t have children.

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It's a good thing that those people don't reproduce. 

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:58 AM, SHELEG said:

Hey what would you say To someone preparing for a blizzard based off 380 hour GFS run

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Good luck?

[psv88]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:58 AM, sussexcountyobs said:

It's a good thing that those people don't reproduce. 

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They most certainly are. 

[White Gorilla]

The type of digression we are seeing here is exactly what happens when winter takes a break and most get a brown Christmas.  Merry Christmas everyone and count your blessings.  

[Snowshack]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:45 AM, sussexcountyobs said:

Still no one has replied what the average yearly temps were in NYC area in the 1400's, 1500's, 1600's, 1700's, 1800's etc. And we can ask what were the temps thousands of years before that? Giving computer data showing rising temps in the last 100 years is meaningless. 

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https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/global-warming/last-1000-years

[JustinRP37]

This thread is garbage on Christmas Eve. Merry Christmas to all. Wish we could show everyone how science is really done and I have never received my big payday from the government for showing tick risk increasing to the north as climate warms. Which department do I write to receive my compensation? 

[Dan76]

I saw a couple of pages added since this morning and was like....yes but my bad carry on.

[Enigma]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:09 AM, psv88 said:

Yea. Agreed, climate change is simply poor countries trying to shake down rich countries. It's incredible how poor countries have managed to employ tens of thousands of scientists and alter data in their favor to try and squeeze a few bucks out of the rich countries. 

Unless...you are completely wrong and the chosen remedy is not a transfer of wealth. It is self-regulation by individual countries, closing coal power plants, etc. Just this week, a court in the netherlands (where my family is from) ordered the country to cut emissions, on the basis of human rights. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50864569

No transfer of wealth there. 

But, who needs facts when they have Tucker, am i right?

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Blah blah blah. We've heard this tired story before. It's a hoax. Paris Agreement would have taken American dollars to foreign countries. Meanwhile, China and India profit, and don't cut their emissions? Cmon. Liberal millionaires purchasing real estate at water's edge? Cmon.

[Enigma]

  On 12/25/2019 at 2:41 AM, psv88 said:

We do have proof because its happening now. Each year is warmer than the last (essentially). 

I will be direct. Why deny? What is the motivation? Is it simply because it is a cause supported by liberals? Is there something else? I really dont understand why people deny, unless they work for the fossil fuel industry. 

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We deny because 1.  we've had warming like this before  and 2. It's not manmade. There's no reason to change our lifestyles or act as if we'll change the outcome. People need to stop being hysterical.