bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, uncle W said: growing up in the 1960's spoiled me...Decembers were very cold and there was snow for Christmas...1960 had four days in single digits...1968-69 had it's coldest temp in early Dec...1963-64 had its coldest week of the season the third week of Dec...they also had a few torch days and mild Christmas in 1964 and 1965...It snowed 3" on 12/20/64 but was gone by Christmas eve...It was 69 degrees Christmas day 1964...that was a shock to the system...today its becoming normal... Tough to beat December 2000-2010. A remarkable 5 years with double digit snowfall amounts in NYC. Big shift to a more +NAO during December after 2010. Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of Dec Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Total Snowfall Missing Count 2019 1.8 15 2018 T 0 2017 7.7 0 2016 3.2 0 2015 T 0 2014 1.0 0 2013 8.6 0 2012 0.4 0 2011 0.0 0 2010 20.1 0 2009 12.4 0 2008 6.0 0 2007 2.9 0 2006 0.0 0 2005 9.7 0 2004 3.0 0 2003 19.8 0 2002 11.0 0 2001 T 0 2000 13.4 0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uncle W Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, bluewave said: We may never see another December 11 year epic snowfall run like from 2000 to 2010. A remarkable 5 years with double digit snowfall amounts in NYC. Time Series Summary for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY - Month of Dec Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Total Snowfall Missing Count 2019 1.8 15 2018 T 0 2017 7.7 0 2016 3.2 0 2015 T 0 2014 1.0 0 2013 8.6 0 2012 0.4 0 2011 0.0 0 2010 20.1 0 2009 12.4 0 2008 6.0 0 2007 2.9 0 2006 0.0 0 2005 9.7 0 2004 3.0 0 2003 19.8 0 2002 11.0 0 2001 T 0 2000 13.4 0 big difference from the Decembers from the 1960's to the 1970's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, uncle W said: big difference from the Decembers from the 1960's to the 1970's... March has become the new December since 2011. Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.4 1.4 2.6 11.3 9.5 7.3 0.7 33.2 2018-2019 0.0 6.4 T 1.1 2.6 10.4 0.0 20.5 2017-2018 0.0 T 7.7 11.2 4.9 11.6 5.5 40.9 2016-2017 0.0 T 3.2 7.9 9.4 9.7 0.0 30.2 2015-2016 0.0 0.0 T 27.9 4.0 0.9 T 32.8 2014-2015 0.0 0.2 1.0 16.9 13.6 18.6 0.0 50.3 2013-2014 0.0 T 8.6 19.7 29.0 0.1 T 57.4 2012-2013 0.0 4.7 0.4 1.5 12.2 7.3 0.0 26.1 2011-2012 2.9 0.0 0.0 4.3 0.2 0.0 0.0 7.4 Monthly Total Snowfall for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.0 1.1 2.3 15.5 12.8 9.9 0.6 42.3 2018-2019 0.0 4.3 T 0.9 3.5 4.1 T 12.8 2017-2018 0.0 T 6.0 22.0 1.4 31.9 4.6 65.9 2016-2017 T T 3.2 14.0 14.7 7.4 T 39.3 2015-2016 0.0 0.0 T 24.8 13.2 3.2 0.2 41.4 2014-2015 0.0 T 0.4 30.2 13.4 19.7 0.0 63.7 2013-2014 0.0 0.3 8.1 25.2 24.5 5.4 0.2 63.7 2012-2013 0.0 4.2 0.6 3.3 31.4 7.4 0.0 46.9 2011-2012 0.3 0.0 T 3.8 0.6 T 0.0 4.7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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uncle W Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 19 minutes ago, bluewave said: March has become the new December since 2011. Monthly Total Snowfall for NY CITY CENTRAL PARK, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.4 1.4 2.6 11.3 9.5 7.3 0.7 33.2 2018-2019 0.0 6.4 T 1.1 2.6 10.4 0.0 20.5 2017-2018 0.0 T 7.7 11.2 4.9 11.6 5.5 40.9 2016-2017 0.0 T 3.2 7.9 9.4 9.7 0.0 30.2 2015-2016 0.0 0.0 T 27.9 4.0 0.9 T 32.8 2014-2015 0.0 0.2 1.0 16.9 13.6 18.6 0.0 50.3 2013-2014 0.0 T 8.6 19.7 29.0 0.1 T 57.4 2012-2013 0.0 4.7 0.4 1.5 12.2 7.3 0.0 26.1 2011-2012 2.9 0.0 0.0 4.3 0.2 0.0 0.0 7.4 Monthly Total Snowfall for ISLIP-LI MACARTHUR AP, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Year Oct Nov Dec Jan Feb Mar Apr Season Mean 0.0 1.1 2.3 15.5 12.8 9.9 0.6 42.3 2018-2019 0.0 4.3 T 0.9 3.5 4.1 T 12.8 2017-2018 0.0 T 6.0 22.0 1.4 31.9 4.6 65.9 2016-2017 T T 3.2 14.0 14.7 7.4 T 39.3 2015-2016 0.0 0.0 T 24.8 13.2 3.2 0.2 41.4 2014-2015 0.0 T 0.4 30.2 13.4 19.7 0.0 63.7 2013-2014 0.0 0.3 8.1 25.2 24.5 5.4 0.2 63.7 2012-2013 0.0 4.2 0.6 3.3 31.4 7.4 0.0 46.9 2011-2012 0.3 0.0 T 3.8 0.6 T 0.0 4.7 in the late 1950's to 1970 March was a winter month and so was December... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, uncle W said: in the late 1950's to 1970 March was a winter month and so was December... December has become our most positive +NAO month of the year since 2011. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Euro has some accumulations with the bands tomorrow 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEG NAO Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Snow88 said: Euro has some accumulations with the bands tomorrow I don't consider this to be "accumulations" 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, NEG NAO said: I don't consider this to be "accumulations" Better than 0 =) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Snow88 said: Better than 0 =) or white rain like you usually get! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPcantmeasuresnow Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, uncle W said: in the late 1950's to 1970 March was a winter month and so was December... Very true. Yet somehow 4 of the last 5 years in NYC March has been the snowiest month of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 12/15/2019 at 2:32 PM, SnoSki14 said: Not looking forward to the cold midweek. That's a potent though thankfully brief shot of arctic air. Highs in the mid 20s with lows in the mid to low teens look likely. I'll be ecstatic when we get that break and have some dry weather that lasts a week or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, CPcantmeasuresnow said: Very true. Yet somehow 4 of the last 5 years in NYC March has been the snowiest month of the season. well if you look back to the 50s, when March was the snowiest month, it seems that the pattern is that when March is a snowy month it means that the winter was not all that snowy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, bluewave said: December has become our most positive +NAO month of the year since 2011. Our winters are contracting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, bluewave said: The high temperatures after this Arctic shot will be mostly dependent on wind direction. Days with more SE flow and a high pressure to our NE will mostly max out in the 40’s. But any SW flow days could reach the 50’s between the 23rd and 31st. as long as it's dry I dont care- I've had enough of this dreary weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 hours ago, purduewx80 said: If the NAM verifies, conditions will become favorable late tomorrow afternoon and evening for scattered snow squalls ahead of our Arctic frontal passage. 8C/km lapse rates and best lift in the DGZ. This suggests some brief whiteout conditions are possible. This reminds me of the snow squall we had last winter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: as long as it's dry I dont care- I've had enough of this dreary weather. The next week to 10 days looks drier than 12/1 to 12/17 as the ridge builds over the East. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, bluewave said: The next week to 10 days looks drier than 12/1 to 12/17 as the ridge builds over the East. Thats wonderful- we get most of our snow in January and February anyway, so dry weather is preferred in December :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, LibertyBell said: Thats wonderful- we get most of our snow in January and February anyway, so dry weather is preferred in December :-) The first 17 days of the month have been near the wettest on record. So we need a break. The holiday shoppers and travelers will appreciate the step down in heavy precipitation. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericjcrash Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: This reminds me of the snow squall we had last winter Sign me up. That was an epic 15 minutes. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, bluewave said: The first 17 days of the month have been near the wettest on record. So we need a break. The holiday shoppers and travelers will appreciate the step down in heavy precipitation. yes and lack of sunshine makes me grumpy (and also allergic).... I had to take benadryl again a few days ago when we were in the 50s and it was raining. For some reason I dont get allergies when it's snowing lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, LibertyBell said: yes and lack of sunshine makes me grumpy (and also allergic).... I had to take benadryl again a few days ago. This was the wettest first 16 days of December on record at JFK. Time Series Summary for JFK INTL AP, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Precipitation Dec 1 to Dec 16 Missing Count 1 2019-12-16 6.10 0 2 2014-12-16 5.60 0 3 1974-12-16 5.48 0 4 1996-12-16 5.07 0 5 2008-12-16 3.99 0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, bluewave said: This was the wettest first 16 days of December on record at JFK. Time Series Summary for JFK INTL AP, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Ending Date Total Precipitation Dec 1 to Dec 16 Missing Count 1 2019-12-16 6.10 0 2 2014-12-16 5.60 0 3 1974-12-16 5.48 0 4 1996-12-16 5.07 0 5 2008-12-16 3.99 0 I think JFK was the jackpot of the local airports over the weekend, that was about 2.5" of rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santa Claus Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 40 minutes ago, Ericjcrash said: Sign me up. That was an epic 15 minutes. That was the least visibility I've ever had in a storm. You could reasonably see maybe 5 feet in front of you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: I think JFK was the jackpot of the local airports over the weekend, that was about 2.5" of rain. Yeah, one the heaviest 2 day rainfalls on record for December. Maximum 2-Day Total Precipitation for JFK INTL AP, NY Click column heading to sort ascending, click again to sort descending. Rank Value Ending Date Missing Days Period of record: 1948-07-17 to 2019-12-16 1 3.23 2008-12-12 0 2 3.15 2014-12-10 0 3 3.04 2014-12-09 0 4 3.00 1992-12-11 0 5 2.95 1996-12-07 0 6 2.86 1948-12-31 0 7 2.77 2019-12-14 0 8 2.75 1992-12-12 0 9 2.46 1974-12-17 0 - 2.46 1974-12-16 0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 57 minutes ago, bluewave said: The next week to 10 days looks drier than 12/1 to 12/17 as the ridge builds over the East. Trough might back in from the east as today's Euro suggests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, SnoSki14 said: Trough might back in from the east as today's Euro suggests. The EPS is a carbon copy of the GEFS. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILoveWinter Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 53 minutes ago, Ericjcrash said: Sign me up. That was an epic 15 minutes. Didn’t we have a snow squall warning? Wonder if that’s possible again tomorrow. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CIK62 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Christmas Week is looking like 1982. Ultimately that winter proved to be a 10-day flyby in the second week of Feb. There seems to be almost no sub-zero 850mb T's during the period. A dog chasing his own tail analogy may start to apply if early Jan. does not change this, and promises of cold slip further into the future again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 39 minutes ago, bluewave said: The EPS is a carbon copy of the GEFS. that might not last that long 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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