JustinRP37 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 People do need to realize the ecological consequences of the overuse of road salt. It is becoming a nightmare for amphibians and plants near roadways or streams affected by runoff. I cannot believe the amount of salt dumped on the roads here today, then again nothing surprises me these days. Road salt is not a benign substance for many organisms. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkyfork Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said: People do need to realize the ecological consequences of the overuse of road salt. It is becoming a nightmare for amphibians and plants near roadways or streams affected by runoff. I cannot believe the amount of salt dumped on the roads here today, then again nothing surprises me these days. Road salt is not a benign substance for many organisms. last november's snowstorm made a big contribution 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cardinalland Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 It’s insane. There’s piles of salt in the Upper west side, even though it wasn’t going to snow more than an inch, if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, forkyfork said: last november's snowstorm made a big contribution No doubt. But big difference to being prepared and actually dumping tons of salt based on all forecasts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 46 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said: People do need to realize the ecological consequences of the overuse of road salt. It is becoming a nightmare for amphibians and plants near roadways or streams affected by runoff. I cannot believe the amount of salt dumped on the roads here today, then again nothing surprises me these days. Road salt is not a benign substance for many organisms. That’s exactly it. As a horticulturalist My thoughts go right to the trees. There are some incredible trees on the uws. They are already under pressure on a million different fronts. I can’t imagine this neighborhood (Morning Side Heights) without it’s trees. The ridiculous over use of salt is basically a death sentence if it’s not brought under control. And it’s also bad for public health. I could taste salt in my mouth walking up broadway as busses and trucks throw the stuff in the air. As an aside I’m also in charge of snow removal for the campus I work on. Guess how much salt I put down today? 0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 54 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said: People do need to realize the ecological consequences of the overuse of road salt. It is becoming a nightmare for amphibians and plants near roadways or streams affected by runoff. I cannot believe the amount of salt dumped on the roads here today, then again nothing surprises me these days. Road salt is not a benign substance for many organisms. They didn't bother to treat out here. We had some flurries around noon, that was all. Yesterday was such a nice day and I was off but blew off a fishing trip. Fishing was excellent, with one boat catching and releasing a hundred striped bass. No real big fish, but that is actually a good sign, to see the smaller ones ( which are still averaging 24-26 in ). I was warned it will get bitter cold and I should try to get in a trip before the sea temps plummet, but I was tired. Early mornings get tough when you get into your 50's; you're awake but your limbs are too sore to move, sort of like the Tin Man....anyway, runoff, yeah, bad for the environment, bad for the bay. But there is less garbage and sewage than there used to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherpruf Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 1 hour ago, CarLover014 said: I'll say. (Taken at Seaside Park) There be fish big enough to swallow ye whole out there, skipper ( well, maybe not whole, but a big thresher shark scared the pants off me two weeks ago ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan76 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weathermedic Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Long Island Parkways were salted too. I was traveling west on the Southern State Parkway through Suffolk and Nassau and saw NYS DOT salt spreaders laying down salt. At least in Suffolk County the roads were wet and there was light snow falling. In Nassau the road was dry and they were spreading salt. I'm sure the LI Expy was also treated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 48 minutes ago, JustinRP37 said: No doubt. But big difference to being prepared and actually dumping tons of salt based on all forecasts. A complete waste of resources. I still can't get over how everyone screwed up last November even when it was very clear that we'd get hit by a moderate snowstorm hours in advance. And ever since then everything has been overkill. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluewave Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 ISP was the only airport out of EWR-LGA-JFK- BDR to get above a trace of snow. https://twitter.com/iembot_okx?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^author ISLIP NY Nov 12 Climate: Hi: 58 Lo: 33 Precip: 0.19 Snow: 0.1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gravitylover Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: That’s exactly it. As a horticulturalist My thoughts go right to the trees. There are some incredible trees on the uws. They are already under pressure on a million different fronts. I can’t imagine this neighborhood (Morning Side Heights) without it’s trees. The ridiculous over use of salt is basically a death sentence if it’s not brought under control. And it’s also bad for public health. I could taste salt in my mouth walking up broadway as busses and trucks throw the stuff in the air. As an aside I’m also in charge of snow removal for the campus I work on. Guess how much salt I put down today? 0 I got stuck behind a brine sprayer truck on Rt 100 in VT for about 20 miles a few years ago. It was one of the worst tasting experiences of my life. Even with the charcoal air filter and recirc on I could still taste it and it made my eyes tear up. I pulled over for a few minutes hoping it would either get far enough ahead or turn off but no such luck, I caught up to it again and couldn't get around it until we got to Rt 4 at Killington. Horrible... I couldn't run the heat after that because the filter was filled with salt and kept spraying it into the car so I had to race down to Rutland to the Subaru dealer to get a new one before they closed so I could keep heading home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCweatherNOW Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, ThatHurricane said: It’s insane. There’s piles of salt in the Upper west side, even though it wasn’t going to snow more than an inch, if at all. We all knew on here it was going to be a snow shower if that. The city should just follow this site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYCweatherNOW Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 1 hour ago, JustinRP37 said: No doubt. But big difference to being prepared and actually dumping tons of salt based on all forecasts. The government agencies are ran by a bunch of dummies. E.g. MTA, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 A record cold air mass has now pushed into the region. Prior to its arrival, Detroit saw a November record 9.2" snowfall (November 11-12), which eclipsed the record of 9.0" set during November 15-16, 1932. Record low maximum temperatures were set in numerous cities including: Buffalo: 25° (old record: 31°, 1983); Chicago: 17° (old record: 28°, 1894, 1940, and 1995); Detroit: 25° (old record: 31°, 1995; Indianapolis: 21° (old record: 26°, 1920); Milwaukee: 19° (old record: 23°, 1940); and, Rockford, IL: 16° (old record: 27°, 1940). Record low temperatures were set in among the following cities: Buffalo: 20° (old record: 22°, 1894, 1911, and 1921); Cedar Rapids, IA: -6° (Old record: 5°, 1986); Chicago: 7° (old record: 8°, 1986); Des Moines: 1° (old record: 4°, 1986); Dubuque, IA: -5° (old record: 6°, 1986); Indianapolis: 8° (old record: 14°, 1911); Little Rock: 20° (old record: 22°, 1911); Madison: 4° (old record: 7°, 1911 and 1986); Rockford, IL: 3° (old record: 7°, 1986); Springfield, IL: 5° (old record: 12°, 1986 and 1995); St. Louis: 11° (old record: 12°, 1911); and, Wichita, KS: 8° (old record: 9°, 1911). In the wake of today's Arctic frontal passage, numerous cities in the Middle Atlantic and southern New England areas could challenge or set daily record low temperatures tomorrow morning. Select records for November 13 are: Allentown: 18°, 1996 Baltimore: 22°, 1911 Boston: 14°, 1883 Bridgeport: 23°, 1986 Harrisburg: 21°, 1911 Islip: 24°, 2001 New York City-JFK: 25°, 1986 New York City-LGA: 26°, 1986 New York City-NYC: 24°, 1986 Newark: 24°, 1986 Philadelphia: 24°, 1996 Poughkeepsie: 16°, 2013 Scranton: 19°, 1986 White Plains: 23°, 1986 Washington, DC: 22°, 1911 Another push of cold air is likely for the coming weekend. However, that air mass won't be as cold as the approaching one. The ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly was -0.6°C and the Region 3.4 anomaly was +0.5°C for the week centered around November 6. For the past six weeks, the ENSO Region 1+2 anomaly has averaged -0.68°C and the ENSO Region 3.4 anomaly has averaged +0.58°C. A neutral ENSO is currently the base case for Winter 2019-20. The SOI was -9.17 today. An SOI reading of -30 or below, as occurred on November 4-5, also occurred during three prior years in the November 1-10 timeframe. All three cases featured a warmer than normal December. The average temperature for those three cases was 2 degrees warmer than normal. Today, the preliminary Arctic Oscillation (AO) figure was -1.181. Some of the more recent guidance shows the AO remaining strongly negative through the next two weeks. Such an outcome would increase prospects for at least some additional bouts of cold in the East after mid-month. On November 11, the MJO was in Phase 7 at an amplitude of 2.352 (RMM). The November 10-adjusted amplitude was 2.450. The MJO's move into Phase 5 at a high amplitude reinforces the idea of a warmer to perhaps much warmer than normal second half of November. Since 1974, there were 3 cases that saw the MJO in Phase 5 at an amplitude of 1.500 or above for at least 2 days during the November 1-10 period. The November 16-30 temperature averaged 46.1° (0.2° above normal). However, when the case that had a cooler than normal September was excluded, the mean temperature was 49.1° (3.2° above normal). September 2019 had a mean temperature of 70.4°, which was 2.4° above normal. Even as the second half of November will likely experience a pattern change to generally warmer than normal conditions within a few days of November 20, the magnitude of the cold during the first half of the month has made it very likely that November will finish with a cold anomaly in the region. It is likely that November 2019 will be somewhat warmer than November 2018 when the monthly mean temperature was 44.4°. In addition, the MJO had spent three days in Phase 6 at an amplitude of 1.500 or above. That development reinforces the idea from the strongly negative SOI earlier this month that December will be likely be warmer than normal. Since 1974, five years saw the MJO in Phase 6 at an amplitude of 1.500 or higher for two or more days during the 1974-2018 period: 1985, 1987, 1996, 1998, and 2018. Only 1985 with a mean temperature of 34.2° was colder than normal during December. The mean temperature for those five cases was 39.7°. The 1981-2010 normal monthly temperature for New York City is 37.5°. Based on sensitivity analysis applied to the latest guidance, New York City has an implied 79% probability of experiencing a colder than normal November. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJW014 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 28°/11° here. Wind chill has been as cold as 17° at times. Wouldn't be surprised if the air temp is below 20 tomorrow and Thursday morning. Also, ground temperature is 37° Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: That’s exactly it. As a horticulturalist My thoughts go right to the trees. There are some incredible trees on the uws. They are already under pressure on a million different fronts. I can’t imagine this neighborhood (Morning Side Heights) without it’s trees. The ridiculous over use of salt is basically a death sentence if it’s not brought under control. And it’s also bad for public health. I could taste salt in my mouth walking up broadway as busses and trucks throw the stuff in the air. As an aside I’m also in charge of snow removal for the campus I work on. Guess how much salt I put down today? 0 I was happy to see no salting going on in the campus I work on in the Bronx. But like you said the trees are really stressed. You almost always see the trees next to highways drop leaves earlier in the fall because of all the stress. This doesn’t help. Not to mention ponds and streams next to roadways taking all that salt. It is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qg_omega Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said: That’s exactly it. As a horticulturalist My thoughts go right to the trees. There are some incredible trees on the uws. They are already under pressure on a million different fronts. I can’t imagine this neighborhood (Morning Side Heights) without it’s trees. The ridiculous over use of salt is basically a death sentence if it’s not brought under control. And it’s also bad for public health. I could taste salt in my mouth walking up broadway as busses and trucks throw the stuff in the air. As an aside I’m also in charge of snow removal for the campus I work on. Guess how much salt I put down today? 0 They are starting to really limit road salt in the Adirondacks, mainly sand is now used 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustinRP37 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, SnoSki14 said: A complete waste of resources. I still can't get over how everyone screwed up last November even when it was very clear that we'd get hit by a moderate snowstorm hours in advance. And ever since then everything has been overkill. It’s funny because where my in-laws live in the Midwest, the town actually had no money to salt last year unless it was a ‘bigger’ storm. Ever since that November storm I jokingly told him we even treat for icing in thunderstorms when it is 80 outside. Not too far from the truth these days. There was one storm last year that came in as rain and 34 but since the storm cut we spiked in temperature, yet the town was spread salt throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian5671 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 very little salt here in CT-a few parking lots had it down, but no roads/highways that I could see on my travels today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJO812 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 29 here in Brooklyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnoSki14 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 26F with dews in the low single digits, so pretty good chance at first teens of the season. Forecast is 21F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 minutes ago, Brian5671 said: very little salt here in CT-a few parking lots had it down, but no roads/highways that I could see on my travels today. That’s good. There was a biblical amount of salt on the uws. I would have to say as much as I have ever seen, with the other contenders all being last winter. The other thing I forgot to mention, is that trees haven’t gone into hibernation yet (in the city) so that makes it even worse. Add the fact that we do not have any heavy rain coming and it’s going to get all over everything and sit. Plus these super early arctic outbreaks after warm October’s are adding even more stress. This crap genuinely bothers me because I know it’s preventable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brasiluvsnow Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 New City checking in at a balmy 25 degrees ---> pass the sunscreen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cfa Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 27 here. Dew point is in the single digits for the first time since 3/27. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psv88 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Felt brutal putting out the recycling. Cold and dry FTL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongBeachSurfFreak Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Getting some solid gusts with the CAA right now. Driven largely by the temp gradient with the still warm ocean more so then a traditional low pressure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Current temp is 24 here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sferic Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 As of 12:45AM 15.1 degrees where I am now in Liberty NY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rtd208 Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 Current temp down to 22 here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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