J.Spin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, alex said: Focus on today, Diane. LOL, good attitude! And if you have to focus on a warm system, you can always think about the positive contribution of all that liquid and liquid equivalent going in to enhance the snowpack. You’re in snow country now, so you’ve got to get into that NNE state of mind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 It just keeps cranking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 LIne of squalls moved through...looked more ominous down at DDH..maybe some rumbles down there..real low VIS as you can see during and then after..ridge is roughly .25 miles away 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 24 minutes ago, J.Spin said: LOL, good attitude! And if you have to focus on a warm system, you can always think about the positive contribution of all that liquid and liquid equivalent going in to enhance the snowpack. You’re in snow country now, so you’ve got to get into that NNE state of mind. I used to get that anxiety as well. I think part of it is related to having lived in SNE, where building a true snowpack is challenging and seeing a snowpack getting hammered by rain is heartbreaking. Up here, most of the time a week after a major cutter your snowpack is building back up, trees are covered, and you pretty much forget about it. As a skier, your point about liquid also matters - especially for those of us who love the glades. Of course, significant cutters can do a lot of damage (I fully expect our glades to close after this weekend), but that too is part of life. Even if they close, chances are they will be back open quite soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, powderfreak said: It just keeps cranking. Yeah, we had a nice round with some big flakes here in BTV – looks like it’s pushing right into the mountains now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just now, J.Spin said: Yeah, we had a nice round with some big flakes here in BTV – looks like it’s pushing right into the mountains now. Sweet. Hasn't stopped snowing at all here today, let's keep it going till tonight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, alex said: I used to get that anxiety as well. I think part of it is related to having lived in SNE, where building a true snowpack is challenging and seeing a snowpack getting hammered by rain is heartbreaking. Up here, most of the time a week after a major cutter your snowpack is building back up, trees are covered, and you pretty much forget about it. As a skier, your point about liquid also matters - especially for those of us who love the glades. Of course, significant cutters can do a lot of damage (I fully expect our glades to close after this weekend), but that too is part of life. Even if they close, chances are they will be back open quite soon Yeah, I can imagine it would be tough to have warm systems come through and melt out the snow, and not really have any idea when it’s going to come back for places that are heavily dependent on mostly synoptic systems. You’re essentially gambling with the pattern all season. It’s not that bad patterns don’t affect us up in the mountains of NNE, but in an overall sense one just had to look at the snowfall and snowpack averages and that gives you an idea of how often the dice are going to give you something decent. Indeed, the off piste often closes with these systems, and sometimes its due to coverage, but a lot of times it’s simply due to the surface conditions being hard/dangerous. Sometimes you get backside snows and you can almost skip that altogether, and sometimes you just have to wait for the next couple of systems to put down a bit more to soften things up and make them safe. Not every warm/mixed system results in a net gain for the snowpack of course, it depends on the system and the state of the density/moisture of the snowpack going into it, but plenty of messy storms actually do result in bolstering the snowpack. Of course we’d prefer the systems to be all snow because that essentially guarantees a net gain, but in whatever form, we do need some of this synoptic moisture (especially this far to the northwest) to build the pack. Our everyday modest systems are nice and can help in that regard, and they are certainly part of what makes our surface conditions so good, but without the bigger events at times, the pack would be rather meager. When time permits, I like to monitor the SWE in the snowpack for these more notable warm/mixed events because you can get a sense of whether the event was a net negative, neutral, positive, etc. I don’t know how this next one is going to go around here, but the analysis is informative, and typically I know the mountains will do substantially better than we do in the valley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, powderfreak said: It just keeps cranking. Some of these pulse have been pretty potent – visibility is actually quite low here in BTV right now with the snowfall. I can see on our webcam that when those stronger echoes passed through our place we picked up more than an inch in short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 I'm hearing reports of thunder in BTV with that squall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
backedgeapproaching Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Nice hit again here...pure white haze out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 As I await the fropa and snow squalls I'll post this picture. So many frickin deer in our apple orchard last night. Bucks and does. I can see a dozen or more yarding up in the woods right now. We had a bumper crop of apples but they are now about gone. Lots of working digging through the 5-8" of that sleet/freezing rain/snow combo from last week . Here is a picture of the activity from the past 24 hours. The 3.75" of snow from two days ago had covered the old tracks so this is from last night. I know you are not suppose to feed deer any food and I don't anymore but since they all yard up behind the house I figure that I might buy some deer apples and scatter them around each day. That is what they have been eating the past couple of months so it's not changing their metabolism. They are smart and know the south facing slope will always have less snow and be the first to melt off so they stick around the house each winter. Wonder if this weekends warmth will be enough to melt some bare spots? Probably not since this snow has so much water content and is very durable. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1.2" in the last few hours, 3.5" since last night in the "pre-squall" stuff. We'll see what else we get! Snow stake is at 13". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Just updated the snow total - pretty amazing how close @J.Spin and I always seem to be; sometimes he's up by an inch, sometimes I'm up by an inch. For an area where microclimates make such a difference, I feel that the fact that we are so close in outcome while being 60 miles or so away (not sure how accurate that is) should be pretty remarkable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 This is some truly heavy snow. Wow. Can’t even see from one end of the hotel to the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted January 8, 2020 Author Share Posted January 8, 2020 Getting dark to the west. Always interesting to see what makes it over the mountains. Meanwhile, it looks like quite the icestorm potential later this weekend for someone. Will it be S Quebec or NNE? Seems these ice storm products are always over done but even 1/2 of these amounts would cause big problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 minute ago, wxeyeNH said: Getting dark to the west. Always interesting to see what makes it over the mountains. Meanwhile, it looks like quite the icestorm potential later this weekend for someone. Will it be S Quebec or NNE? Seems these ice storm products are always over done but even 1/2 of these amounts would cause big problems. Glad to be in the sucker hole for that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, alex said: Glad to be in the sucker hole for that one God bless warm air riding up the valley! I want nothing to do with an ice storm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 1 hour ago, powderfreak said: I'm hearing reports of thunder in BTV with that squall. Ahh, that’s interesting – I thought I heard a roll of thunder that lasted a few seconds, but figured it was one of the trucks down by the loading dock. On hearing this though, I suspect it was indeed thunder from thundersnow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Sb reporting 4”. Nice squall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Event totals: 5.3” Snow/0.32” L.E. Details from the 4:00 P.M. Waterbury observations: New Snow: 3.7 inches New Liquid: 0.23 inches Snow/Water Ratio: 16.1 Snow Density: 6.2% H2O Temperature: 26.8 F Sky: Cloudy Snow at the stake: 11.0 inches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Nice J.Spin! I had about 4.25" from the event total (early morning and this afternoon)... depth at 9" You definitely looked to take the brunt of that squall. Looked like the core went right down I-89. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Another excellent day. 18" in past 4 days on the mountain. And this photo was before the heavy squalls hit this afternoon. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 23 minutes ago, powderfreak said: Nice J.Spin! I had about 4.25" from the event total (early morning and this afternoon)... depth at 9" You definitely looked to take the brunt of that squall. Looked like the core went right down I-89. Yeah, we certainly hit the 3 to 5” that was in the forecast. It was a good shot of liquid as well at roughly a third of an inch – that will certainly help to bolster the snowpack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mreaves Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 Not quite as much over here, maybe 2.5”-3” over the last couple of days. I did have the joy of being on the road home when the first squall came through. I’d say visibility down to less the a quarter mile at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Squalls completely missed over here, glad some of you got to cash in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 There wasn’t much on the radar aside from that streamer up near St. Albans, so I didn’t think we’d be seeing anything notable in the near future with respect to snowfall. Sort of suddenly though, that area of snowfall just decided to form up against the spine, so we’ve got some decent light snow coming down again. Like PF said in the other thread, this mesoscale snow that sort of comes out of nowhere like that and isn’t modeled exactly is a nice component to have as part of the winter snowfall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6.9"/0.25" here. Fun night. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klw Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 6.5 inches here today. Nice base developing after that sleet and rain lead to a 5 inch glacial layer last week. Sledding would be great tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.Spin Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Event totals: 5.7” Snow/0.34” L.E. Details from the 6:00 A.M. Waterbury observations: New Snow: 0.4 inches New Liquid: 0.02 inches Snow/Water Ratio: 20.0 Snow Density: 5.0% H2O Temperature: 6.3 F Sky: Mostly Cloudy Snow at the stake: 10.0 inches This event finished off with a final 0.4” of snow last night. To this point at our site it's been the largest storm of the month and the third largest storm of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#NoPoles Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Happy birthday @powderfreak you big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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