Baroclinic Zone Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Split off coastal storm posts from this AM into new thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OceanStWx Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 35 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: I don't think many will care about a few cows buried. 34 minutes ago, CoastalWx said: That storm in the Plains does develop a text book TROWAL and deformation zone. There's nothing like a good Plains blizzard. We get the Atlantic moisture, but true blizzards are so hard to come by around here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1.37" was the total here from yesterdays rain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I wonder if they get a tropopause fold under the main s/w in the mid-west Friday. Look at how low the tropopause is...that's sick for October Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Now we're talking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Great Snow 1717 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 21 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Now we're talking! On some models the snow threat for MN seems to be diminishing from yesterday's runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lava Rock Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 2 hours ago, dryslot said: 1.37" was the total here from yesterdays rain. radon hill deflected away the hvy stuff. 0.97" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 42 minutes ago, Great Snow 1717 said: On some models the snow threat for MN seems to be diminishing from yesterday's runs. goin gto be more eastern or northeastern ND it seems like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 4 hours ago, purduewx80 said: lol no kidding Since when does population density rule over weather? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purduewx80 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 7 minutes ago, MetHerb said: Since when does population density rule over weather? it matters in terms of impacts to humanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, purduewx80 said: it matters in terms of impacts to humanity. Sure but when does population density determine how impressive a weather event is? I think there were a handful of people on top of Mount Washington when they recorded the 231MPH wind. Does that make it less impressive because of it's impact to humanity? Is it because it's North Dakota and not Montana or some other "cooler" state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I highly doubt they're ready for what could be upwards of 2 feet of snow in eastern ND. Just b/c the population density isn't as high as out this way doesn't mean its any less impactful to humanity...temperatures below-freezing, high winds, low wind chills...thankfully this is the weekend, but I doubt they are fully prepared for winter weather yet...let alone 2 feet of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purduewx80 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: I highly doubt they're ready for what could be upwards of 2 feet of snow in eastern ND. Just b/c the population density isn't as high as out this way doesn't mean its any less impactful to humanity...temperatures below-freezing, high winds, low wind chills...thankfully this is the weekend, but I doubt they are fully prepared for winter weather yet...let alone 2 feet of snow. i am in no way saying it isn't interesting meteorologically, but they are used to having blizzards. happens nearly every year, usually multiple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: I highly doubt they're ready for what could be upwards of 2 feet of snow in eastern ND. Just b/c the population density isn't as high as out this way doesn't mean its any less impactful to humanity...temperatures below-freezing, high winds, low wind chills...thankfully this is the weekend, but I doubt they are fully prepared for winter weather yet...let alone 2 feet of snow. I don't think that many have been through a Plains blizzard. They make Nor'easters look like a little snow event with the drifting, visibility and temperatures. It's still an impressive event. I just find it ironic that the same people that cheer on such events shrug their shoulders just because of where it's happening. They all know that if it was happening here and there was a rain/line that it wouldn't be population density that would make it interesting but the fact they got 2' of snow. Must just be jealousy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, purduewx80 said: i am in no way saying it isn't interesting meteorologically, but they are used to having blizzards. happens nearly every year, usually multiple times. For sure...it's just this seems a bit early. Heck, even last week in MT they weren't fully prepared for it...thankfully the area is remote, but clean-up took alot longer than it would have if it was say December. I'm not sure of the foliage situation in ND or SD but I would have to think they still have a decent amount of leaves on the trees...this snow is going to be much more wet than what they had in MT too...that with high winds...power outages could be rather widespread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 minute ago, purduewx80 said: i am in no way saying it isn't interesting meteorologically, but they are used to having blizzards. happens nearly every year, usually multiple times. Just like here but 2' is still impressive and the date adds to the impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, MetHerb said: I don't think that many have been through a Plains blizzard. They make Nor'easters look like a little snow event with the drifting, visibility and temperatures. It's still an impressive event. I just find it ironic that the same people that cheer on such events shrug their shoulders just because of where it's happening. They all know that if it was happening here and there was a rain/line that it wouldn't be population density that would make it interesting but the fact they got 2' of snow. Must just be jealousy... true Remember the blizzard in March across CO/KS...major highways were closed for several days due to the drifting of snow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 16 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: I highly doubt they're ready for what could be upwards of 2 feet of snow in eastern ND. Just b/c the population density isn't as high as out this way doesn't mean its any less impactful to humanity...temperatures below-freezing, high winds, low wind chills...thankfully this is the weekend, but I doubt they are fully prepared for winter weather yet...let alone 2 feet of snow. People and officials in ND know how to handle winter weather. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 4 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: People and officials in ND know how to handle winter weather. Just like people and officials in New England. What if Southbury was expecting 2' of snow on 10/8? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 8 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: People and officials in ND know how to handle winter weather. Just b/c you know how or are fully prepared for an event doesn't mean it won't be any less impactful. CT can handle 6-12'' of snow too...how well did we handle that in October 2011? Looks like in terms of foliage they're near peak or at peak...I don't care how well you're prepared, over a foot of wet snow, 40-50+ mph wind gusts, and a long-duration event is going to cause significant issues out that way. Wind chill into the 20's through the weekend. This isn't a typical run-of-the-mill blizzard for these areas. It's October 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Looks like one of the earliest on record was October 5, 2005 and there were significant impacts. And it seems like these totals could far surpass what happened with that storm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 I could name a few that would want that here............ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 23 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Just b/c you know how or are fully prepared for an event doesn't mean it won't be any less impactful. CT can handle 6-12'' of snow too...how well did we handle that in October 2011? Looks like in terms of foliage they're near peak or at peak...I don't care how well you're prepared, over a foot of wet snow, 40-50+ mph wind gusts, and a long-duration event is going to cause significant issues out that way. Wind chill into the 20's through the weekend. This isn't a typical run-of-the-mill blizzard for these areas. It's October 8th It’s happened before in the upper midwest and that area has a lot less trees too. How I would be prepared or how poorly CT managed in Oct11 has nothing to do with it nor can you compare the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, MetHerb said: Just like people and officials in New England. What if Southbury was expecting 2' of snow on 10/8? Huh? What does any of what you say have to do with ND.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purduewx80 Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 33 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Looks like in terms of foliage they're near peak or at peak...I don't care how well you're prepared, over a foot of wet snow, 40-50+ mph wind gusts, and a long-duration event is going to cause significant issues out that way. Wind chill into the 20's through the weekend. ND has 2.9% tree cover vs. 72% in MA. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 34 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: Looks like one of the earliest on record was October 5, 2005 and there were significant impacts. And it seems like these totals could far surpass what happened with that storm. It will have significant impacts and be anomalous, no doubt. But the upper midwest routinely deals with big fall and spring storms. You won’t get a gridlock on the roads or a mass transportation failure causing thousands to be stranded at a terminal. Maybe a cow perishes causing a price spike on the McDonald’s dollar menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUNNAWAYICEBERG Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 Just now, purduewx80 said: ND has 2.9% tree cover vs. 72% in MA. Yup, thank you. Wiz is off the deep end worried about tree foliage on one tree in the middle of a 20 acre farmland. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dryslot Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Yup, thank you. Wiz is off the deep end worried about tree foliage on one tree in the middle of a 20 acre farmland. Man, If that broken tree branch could only show up on a hodograph though............ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Yup, thank you. Wiz is off the deep end worried about tree foliage on one tree in the middle of a 20 acre farmland. Have you guys ever been out there? There's lots of trees in towns and communities where people live. Just because there are huge open areas doesn't mean that there aren't trees in town or surrounding peoples towns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CapturedNature Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 13 minutes ago, RUNNAWAYICEBERG said: Huh? What does any of what you say have to do with ND.... lol...you said that people in ND know how to handle winter weather. I replied by saying that so do people in New England. Is that clear enough? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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