Tim from Springfield (IL) Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 ENH risk for severe on this Labor Day from eastern ND to W WI, with slight including most of the northern half of WI: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day1otlk.html ...Northern Plains through upper Mississippi Valley... A shortwave trough will amplify as it moves east southeast through southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, reaching the northern Plains by early this evening and the upper MS Valley late tonight. Downstream from this feature, a warm front will advance northeast, and will be situated from a weak surface low in northwest ND through northeast SD and central IA by early evening. A cold front will extend southward from the low through the western Dakotas and advance east during the evening. A moist warm sector will reside south of the warm front. Surface dewpoints will range from the mid 60s to upper 70s F beneath a plume of steep mid-level lapse rates associated with the eastward expansion of an elevated mixed layer (EML). Warm air at the base of the EML will result in a substantial cap in warm sector during the day. Theta-e advection along a southerly low-level jet will contribute to northeastward destabilization through the Dakotas and into the upper MS Valley this afternoon and evening with MUCAPE increasing from 2000-3000 J/kg north of the warm front. Isolated storms with a marginal hail threat may be ongoing from SD into NE within zone of warm advection. However, primary severe threat is expected during the afternoon into the evening when forcing for ascent associated with approaching shortwave trough and attendant strengthening low-level jet will result in development of storms north of the warm front over northern ND. These storms will be elevated, but effective bulk shear from 40-50 kt and a favorable thermodynamic environment will support a few supercells with large hail the initial primary threat. Storms may eventually evolve into an MCS with primary threat transitioning to damaging wind during the evening and overnight as activity continues southeast through MN into WI along instability gradient. Given favorable low-level hodographs, a conditional threat will exist for a couple of tornadoes with any surface-based storms that can develop on the warm front. However, current indications are that the warm sector will probably remain capped to parcels originating in the boundary layer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim from Springfield (IL) Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 Day 2 includes slight for SE WI, and most of the N half of IL and Southern Lower MI, as well as N IN and NW OH: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day2otlk.html ...Great Lakes... Models are in good agreement in a scenario with morning storms over the western Great Lakes in association with a strong southwesterly LLJ. A lingering severe risk may accompany this activity mainly in the form of isolated damaging gusts before dissipating by the late morning. A plume of steep 700-500mb lapse rates will advect northeast into the southern Great Lakes during the day. Despite a capping inversion, convergence near the boundary and strong heating will likely lead to local erosion of the cap and isolated to scattered storm development by late afternoon from northern IL east into southern Lower MI. A moderate to very unstable airmass is progged by guidance with 3000+ J/kg MLCAPE possible across IL and decreasing to 1500 J/kg into Lower MI. Hodographs are forecast to enlarge during the late afternoon/evening across the southern Great Lakes concurrent with diurnal storm development. A mix mode of supercells and multicells capable of all severe hazards are possible primarily during the 21z-03z period. Farther southwest over MO into western IL, lower storm coverage is forecast but large CAPE and a wind profile supportive of organized storms would lend a conditional risk for severe with the stronger storms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The ol 15% hatched day 2. Certainly a bit unusual for these parts (actually can't remember the last time that happened) as hatching is usually accompanied by higher probabilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 Definitely some issues tomorrow. Not all that excited at the moment but we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 LOT .LONG TERM... 311 PM CDT Tuesday through Monday... The main item of interest for the rest of the short workweek will be tied to a cold front, both gusty winds and thunderstorm chances ahead of it on Tuesday, some possibly strong to severe, as well as a heightened rip current risk for the Lake Michigan beaches behind this front on Wednesday. Tuesday`s thunderstorm chances continue to look as if they fall in two primary time windows: 1.) the morning north of I-80 with activity shifting out of Wisconsin and 2.) potential for redeveloping scattered activity ahead of a cold front in the mid- afternoon, most favored south and east of a Chicago O`Hare to LaSalle-Peru line. While there is fairly good confidence in those time windows, sizable uncertainty exists in convective morphology and coverage within these. In addition, any morning activity will likely play into the afternoon location of redevelopment and potentially its magnitude. The main forecast changes were primarily to refine timing some. Also collaborated with neighboring offices and SPC to continue to reflect a Slight Risk type verbiage, though the instability and shear spectrum that is tapped includes isolated higher end potential conditional on supercell mode being able to develop in the afternoon. That`s on the lower end of confidence spectrum right now. Upstream observational trends this afternoon across the Dakotas and Minnesota play somewhat into what are expectations are for early Tuesday morning. The more organized MCS behavior there is across central Minnesota this evening and into western/southwestern Wisconsin early overnight, the better likelihood some activity makes it into far northern Illinois Tuesday morning. The effective warm front has been struggling to reach north downstream of the current North Dakota MCS, and as such this may not yet be the primary convective show, with potentially more developing further south through the night in a semi-organized state, especially given the strength of the low- level jet. This jet will orient across northern Illinois early Tuesday morning with likely a convectively-enhanced short wave traversing central Wisconsin. Whether some remnant MCS or elevated scattered activity, it is likely some convection will be flirting with far northern Illinois and if organized could make it down to I-80 by later morning. The severe threat with this looks isolated at this time, and tied to steepening mid-level lapse rates and effective shear in the 1-6 km layer increasing to 45 kt. The footprint of convection and any debris will be key for afternoon pre-frontal recovery, but given the strength of the surface pressure gradient and wind field, warm and moist advection in the low levels should not be completely hampered in the case of organized morning convection. The surface low, likely at or just below 1000 mb, will be crossing the U.P. of Michigan through Tuesday. This is still a ways from the CWA but is closer with a stronger gradient than last Thursday`s setup, and thus this late summer cold front will have greater moisture to work with to spark renewed convection in the region. Southwest wind gusts by early afternoon are forecast to be 30-35 mph with potential for 40 mph gusts again dependent on cloud cover. The confluence along and ahead of the boundary for maximized moisture/instability and lifting of parcels improves the further northeast along the boundary, especially into lower Michigan and northern/northwestern Indiana by later afternoon. If little activity in the morning though, this may be slightly further west including over Chicago during peak heating. Dew points should be in the lower 70s at least with possible mid 70s given upstream conditions. Temperatures into the 80s, possibly upper, support mixed layer CAPE in excess of 3000 J/kg in any pre-frontal locations that receive even just filtered sun into the afternoon. The regime favors plenty of deep layer shear again with 45-55 kt, and some turning in the lowest 3 km. If afternoon convection can redevelop in the CWA...again most possible favored south and east of Chicago to LaSalle-Peru line... the mode is likely to be semi-discrete given mainly perpendicular flow to the boundary, with a trend into early evening to have some more convective segments as it evolves southeast. Hazards would include hail especially initially, and wind in segments. The high instability and wide nature of the CAPE in the vertical predicted on NAM and RAP soundings would support some significant hail threat especially in any temporary supercell structures that can initially develop. Any bowing segments too could be a little more robust, but that`s even lower confidence in our area right now. The tornado threat is low in our area compared to lower Michigan where there is more of a warm advection, slightly backed low-level flow regime, but any initial supercells would have a non-zero threat. Overall if having to highlight an area that is the better looking within the broader Slight Risk for our area, that would be far northwest Indiana right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebo Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I am really interested in this one as long as the morning activity doesn't ruin the potential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim from Springfield (IL) Posted September 2, 2019 Author Share Posted September 2, 2019 If the current Day 2 hatched area, which includes Chicago and Detroit, gets cranked up--and tornadic--I wonder WWTWCD. If they will have to interrupt Hurricane Dorian wall-to-wall coverage with Dr. Greg Forbes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim from Springfield (IL) Posted September 3, 2019 Author Share Posted September 3, 2019 5/15/15 probs (5% TOR) on the 1AM Day 1. Still SLIGHT. Higher probs possible later in lower MI: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/products/outlook/day1otlk.html ...Midwest into the Great Lakes and Mid MS Valley... A long-lived MCS over far southeastern MN and western/central WI early this morning will likely continue southeastward across WI for at least the next several hours along an instability gradient. This line of storms should continue to gradually weaken with southeastward extent this morning as it encounters a less unstable airmass. However, strong low/mid-level flow associated with a shortwave trough over the northern Plains may allow these storms to persist for longer than most model guidance suggests. An isolated hail/wind threat may be ongoing at the start of the period across parts of northern IL and vicinity if these storms can maintain their intensity, especially on the southwestern flank of the line where instability is relatively greater. The convective scenario for today remains rather uncertain given the potential for this morning MCS to delay/disrupt diurnal destabilization, particularly with northward extent into Lower MI. A relatively greater chance for moderate to strong instability to develop may occur along a trailing outflow boundary from these morning storms across parts of northern IL/IN into far southern Lower MI. Strong large-scale forcing for ascent attendant to a southeastward-moving shortwave trough will overspread these areas by this afternoon. Additional convective development appears likely along or just ahead of a surface cold front by peak afternoon heating. The presence of a 50-70+ kt mid-level westerly jet will support strong effective bulk shear values over this region. Any storms that can form in this environment will likely become organized and pose an isolated large hail and damaging wind threat. Initially semi-discrete storms will probably grow upscale fairly quickly along the cold front or remnant outflow boundary, with a damaging wind threat potentially continuing into the evening across parts of central IL/IN and northwestern OH. The degree of the tornado threat will be dependent on storm mode, but a southwesterly low-level jet will overspread much of the warm sector through the afternoon. Isolated tornadoes will be possible given the strong low-level shear that will be present. Greater severe probabilities may be needed across some part of the Midwest into southern Lower MI, but too much uncertainty exists regarding morning storms to introduce them at them at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Had a period of very gusty winds earlier. Was that a wake low or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyclone77 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 43 minutes ago, Hoosier said: Had a period of very gusty winds earlier. Was that a wake low or something? Yep. There were several reports of 40+mph winds in the Chicago area around mid-morning, with 50mph estimated winds in Aurora. Festering zombievection and cloud shield over Iowa this morning won't help things for the DVN cwa. This one looks DOA for this area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 22 minutes ago, cyclone77 said: Yep. There were several reports of 40+mph winds in the Chicago area around mid-morning, with 50mph estimated winds in Aurora. Festering zombievection and cloud shield over Iowa this morning won't help things for the DVN cwa. This one looks DOA for this area. Yeah, I had a chance to check LSRs and there are some damage reports in there from the wake low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 New day 1 outlook maintains a slight risk. It is loaded with uncertainty but the duscussion even mentioned a strong tornado being possible if things come together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 21 minutes ago, Hoosier said: New day 1 outlook maintains a slight risk. It is loaded with uncertainty but the duscussion even mentioned a strong tornado being possible if things come together. Slight risk has been expanded further into northern and western Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Sigtor numbers are progged to pop later. Low level flow does veer for the most part but mid level WNW flow does mean some directional shear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Rain stayed away in Toledo and even sunshine is out right now. Liking the chances a little more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, nwohweather said: Rain stayed away in Toledo and even sunshine is out right now. Liking the chances a little more Been pretty socked in here, though there are breaks looking upstream in IL/WI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Area Forecast Discussion...UPDATED National Weather Service Chicago/Romeoville, IL 502 PM CDT Tue Sep 3 2019 .MESOSCALE DISCUSSION... 500 PM CDT Convective evolution continues to be monitored, with capping from the morning convection and lingering clouds severely impeding any mature development thus far. This will likely prevent any rapid development and may very well keep any development that can occur isolated, such as has been the case. A conditional severe risk does exist though if any sustained mode can develop. Convection in the southeast CWA over the past hour to hour and a half will have moved mainly east of the area by 530 pm. This activity is along an old outflow boundary and pseudo warm front advancing higher theta-e air into the area. While this convection has fair potential to be supercellular, it has struggled to be mature and sustaining thus far, likely owing to the cap. Further northwest along the cold front -- our now best chance for storms -- convection has been isolated in southern Wisconsin with agitated cumulus struggling along the boundary. Aircraft soundings from across northern Illinois and even into Wisconsin show capping around 850 mb, that had weakened little since ILX`s 18Z sounding. In Wisconsin there are more noteworthy height falls and associated cooling with the ascent that looks to only just graze far northern Illinois. This is why we think development is likely only to be isolated at least for the next few hours. Observational trends indicate the front is slower than forecast trends, and so did slow the forecast timing of chances slightly, along with lower them some. The nature of development should continue to be discrete given the orthogonal flow and shear with respect to the front. Given the values of deep layer shear (50+ kt) and CAPE, including in the low-levels thanks to the high moisture ahead of the front, supercellular mode is still favored and a conditional severe threat if sustained enough. If convection can grow more scattered into early evening as the front works into eastern Illinois and northwest Indiana, it`s possible some segments/clustering may develop and have a little more potential for wind. MTF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackstraw Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Strange but intersting mode around here today. Been on the road most of the day. I've experienced elevated thunderstorms, strong ones, but not as cellular as these. There was one from my location I literally could watch it work it's way down to the surface. I've never visibly seen that, was pretty cool. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, Hoosier said: Yeah, I had a chance to check LSRs and there are some damage reports in there from the wake low. It must have maintained across Northern IN and Northwest Ohio, because IWX also reported scattered non-T-storm wind damage this afternoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IWXwx Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Chad from LAF sent IND a pic from their tower cam of a wall cloud with the cell that moved through earlier. Several reports of it rotating and looked pretty good on radar for a couple of scans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Scattered storms starting to form this evening on a ne/sw axis. Been watching Dorian so much I needed to look homeward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim from Springfield (IL) Posted September 4, 2019 Author Share Posted September 4, 2019 Looks like Lake Michigan had a "hurricane" of their own. A waterspout near Beach Park, IL this evening. Courtesy of a poster on the Northern IL Severe weather FB group: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indystorm Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Tom Skilling of WGN news had video tonight of a couple cars being flipped either by a downburst or that tornado. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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nwohweather Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Helicities are fairly high this evening. Looks like the cap is in place but could be eroding and instability is fairly high. Honestly wouldn’t be shocked to see a potential tornado or two tonight, this isn’t a terrible setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HillsdaleMIWeather Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 3 hours ago, nwohweather said: Helicities are fairly high this evening. Looks like the cap is in place but could be eroding and instability is fairly high. Honestly wouldn’t be shocked to see a potential tornado or two tonight, this isn’t a terrible setup Wasn't enough in the end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Brief, and I mean brief, video of the Waukegan tornado close-up. Warning: strong language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Fun fact... the Waukegan tornado is going to be only the 3rd tornado in the LOT cwa in the first half of September since 1978. The other 2 were EF1 in Jasper county, IN on 9/4/2008 and EF0 in LaSalle county, IL on 9/1/2013. Looking at all of IL/IN in general, the first half of September is a bit of a downtime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoosier Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Public Information Statement National Weather Service Chicago IL 412 PM CDT Wed Sep 4 2019 /512 PM EDT Wed Sep 4 2019/ ...NWS DAMAGE SURVEY FOR 9/3/2019 BEACH PARK/WAUKEGAN AREA TORNADO... .National Weather Service staff on Wednesday surveyed the storm damage from Tuesday evening in far north Waukegan. With the assistance of Lake County Emergency Management Agency (EMA) and Waukegan EMA, along with trained spotter reports, we were able to conclude a brief tornado occurred before moving over the lake. .WAUKEGAN TORNADO... Rating: EF-1 Estimated peak wind: 90 mph Path length /Statute/: 3.1 miles Path width /Maximum/: 200 yards Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 1 Start date: 9/3/2019 Start time: 6:39 PM CDT Start location: 3.5 miles north-northwest of Waukegan Start Lat/Lon: 42.4113 / -87.8624 End date: 9/3/2019 End time: 6:43 PM CDT End location: 3.0 miles north-northeast of Waukegan End_lat/lon: 42.4030 / -87.8024 Damage from the tornado was minor to commercial buildings and residences, including windows blown out, minor roof damage, fence destruction, and damage to a gas station canopy. There was a vehicle flipped just east of the intersection of York House Road and Lewis Avenue where the one minor injury occurred. Numerous trees felled or experienced heavy branch damage. The tornado was at its widest and strongest in the latter half of its path. The one mile stretch between the last damage point and the lake shore was unable to be surveyed due to a nature area. A waterspout was reported just off shore and so by interpolation we took the tornado path to the lakefront. EF Scale: The Enhanced Fujita Scale classifies tornadoes into the following categories. EF0...Weak......65 to 85 mph EF1...Weak......86 to 110 mph EF2...Strong....111 to 135 mph EF3...Strong....136 to 165 mph EF4...Violent...166 To 200 mph EF5...Violent...>200 mph* NOTE: The information in this statement is PRELIMINARY and subject to change pending final review of the event and publication in NWS Storm Data. $$ LENNING/FRIEDLEIN/CARLAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwohweather Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Wasn't enough in the endYeah I swung and missed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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