Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change

[Typhoon Tip]

53 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

I remember seeing similar networks for slime molds that resemble human architecture.  Human ingenuity is a fractal representation of what nature has already done.

Maybe because of this.....

 

https://nautil.us/issue/50/emergence/the-strange-similarity-of-neuron-and-galaxy-networks

 

 

We talked about this ages ago over the summer … ‘the universe appears to construct all off reality as though it were elementally from an analog engine’ 

One really crosses into the divide when they start to see and sense this, in the ephemeral realms of gestalt and circumstance, not just as recurrent physical themes. 

[LibertyBell]

2 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

We talked about this ages ago over the summer … ‘the universe appears to construct all off reality as though it were analog engine’ 

tou really cross into the divide when you start to see and sense this in the ephemeral realms of gestalt and circumstance, not just as recurrent physical themes. 

It's like a magical repeating symphony on various different scales that creates the splendid orchestra of nature.

 

[LibertyBell]

14 minutes ago, Typhoon Tip said:

We talked about this ages ago over the summer … ‘the universe appears to construct all off reality as though it were elementally from an analog engine’ 

One really crosses into the divide when they start to see and sense this in the ephemeral realms of gestalt and circumstance, not just as recurrent physical themes. 

NOVA from this week-- I found it really interesting because they discussed the possibility/probability based on recent evidence that the structure of the universe was actually "decided" before the Big Bang.  Now that's some truly mindblowing stuff right there.

So basically there was this primordial soup of particles (on the quantum scale) and they interacted with each other in certain ways, creating entangled networks (curiously the same title of the intelligent fungi article) and before the Big Bang happened, this network was already hardwired into place because the universe emerged from this cosmic soup.  The implication is that other bubble universes could also emerge in the same way.  And this also explains why we see fully formed galaxies so soon (200 million years) after the Big Bang.  Whether it was a Big Bang or Big Bounce, the implications of a cosmic network hardwired from outside or before the universe are huge.

 

 

[LibertyBell]

Air pollution around the world- didn't know that air pollution also increases rates of Diabetes type 2, in addition to asthma.  It killed 2 million people in India in 2019

 

The 100 most polluted cities in the world / Twitter

 

 

[Vice-Regent]

People talk poorly about the dead but do not care about the living. They are so eager to vindicate their policies that kill millions each year.

A holocaust every year and this is from the people that are supposedly the gold standard. People around the world are getting tired of democracy and socialism and the double standards.

[Typhoon Tip]

One wonders if that can really end very well ...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/americas/xenobots-self-replicating-robots-scn/index.html

[LibertyBell]

4 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said:

One wonders if that can really end very well ...

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/29/americas/xenobots-self-replicating-robots-scn/index.html

lmao I was just reading this on Twitter.

Our replacements are finally here, John!

 

[raindancewx]

On 11/24/2021 at 8:29 AM, Typhoon Tip said:

If one wants to spend as much time and energy drafting a response like that which you did or I imagined borrowed, it is probably unwise to begin with that particular sentence right there. Lol  - just a suggestion. 

At least not if one actually expects the target reader to engage. 

Everything you write is ridiculous. It's almost like you have no wife or children for a reason. Almost like not being rich despite spending a lifetime learning about math and science and forecasting indicates that you're an idiot. I guess all the time you spent as a 300 pound diabetic was before you decided to "follow the science".

[Tezeta]

On 11/26/2021 at 3:03 PM, LibertyBell said:

wow that reminds me of Cosmos- when the interconnected intelligence of the network of fungi and trees was being mentioned (mycology)

 

https://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/magazine/entangled-life-book-review-mushrooms-fungi-biology-science

 

The magic of mushrooms forces us to rethink what intelligence means

The astonishing secrets of fungal life raise profound questions

 

 

 

Dude. Yes. 

[LibertyBell]

18 hours ago, raindancewx said:

Everything you write is ridiculous. It's almost like you have no wife or children for a reason. Almost like not being rich despite spending a lifetime learning about math and science and forecasting indicates that you're an idiot. I guess all the time you spent as a 300 pound diabetic was before you decided to "follow the science".

That doesn't seem  a little harsh to you?  I didn't see what would have warranted that.  Also, I can see that being used as a counterpoint, sometimes you need to be outside the system to truly see what a sick and bad system it is.  And money is the problem not the solution.

[LibertyBell]

15 hours ago, Tezeta said:

Dude. Yes. 

Humans get dumbed down money, without money these other creatures (whether animal or plant or fungi or something else, are far smarter.....in the ways that actually count.)

 

 

 

[LibertyBell]

 

[LibertyBell]

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03565-5

[LibertyBell]

https://twitter.com/i/events/1468285158621016070

[jpbart]

On 12/4/2021 at 1:04 AM, LibertyBell said:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03565-5

I downloaded the PDF and sent it to all of the Bio/AP Environmental teachers in my HS.  Thanks.

[LibertyBell]

Since we were talking about quantum mechanics earlier, I figured I'd post where the cutting edge of research is right now, at the Institute of Advanced Studies in NJ.

https://www.quantamagazine.org/one-labs-quest-to-build-space-time-out-of-quantum-particles-20210907/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-space-and-time-could-be-a-quantum-error-correcting-code-20190103/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-discover-geometry-underlying-particle-physics-20130917

https://www.quantamagazine.org/there-are-no-laws-of-physics-theres-only-the-landscape-20180604/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-entanglement-drives-the-arrow-of-time-scientists-say-20140416/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/nima-arkani-hamed-and-the-future-of-physics-20150922/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-our-universe-could-emerge-as-a-hologram-20190221/

Also the end of the black hole information paradox, which is unexpected to say the least

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-most-famous-paradox-in-physics-nears-its-end-20201029/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/netta-engelhardt-has-escaped-hawkings-black-hole-paradox-20210823/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/hologram-within-a-hologram-hints-at-solution-to-black-hole-information-paradox-20191119/
 

https://www.quantamagazine.org/one-labs-quest-to-build-space-time-out-of-quantum-particles-20210907/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-space-and-time-could-be-a-quantum-error-correcting-code-20190103/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/20130917-a-jewel-at-the-heart-of-quantum-physics/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/physicists-discover-geometry-underlying-particle-physics-20130917

https://www.quantamagazine.org/there-are-no-laws-of-physics-theres-only-the-landscape-20180604/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/quantum-entanglement-drives-the-arrow-of-time-scientists-say-20140416/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/nima-arkani-hamed-and-the-future-of-physics-20150922/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/how-our-universe-could-emerge-as-a-hologram-20190221/

Also the end of the black hole information paradox, which is unexpected to say the least

https://www.quantamagazine.org/the-most-famous-paradox-in-physics-nears-its-end-20201029/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/netta-engelhardt-has-escaped-hawkings-black-hole-paradox-20210823/

https://www.quantamagazine.org/hologram-within-a-hologram-hints-at-solution-to-black-hole-information-paradox-20191119/

 

 

[etudiant]

Honestly doubt that the quantum world uncertainties will impact our mundane weather and climate issues.

Right now, afaik, we cannot even model the impact of earth's spin along with the daytime and nighttime on the atmosphere all that well and nor has any  model generated the Roman or the Medieval climatic optimum, so we are still groping with the basics.

Lots of room for humility in climate science, imho.

[Typhoon Tip]

2 hours ago, etudiant said:

Honestly doubt that the quantum world uncertainties will impact our mundane weather and climate issues.

Right now, afaik, we cannot even model the impact of earth's spin along with the daytime and nighttime on the atmosphere all that well and nor has any  model generated the Roman or the Medieval climatic optimum, so we are still groping with the basics.

Lots of room for humility in climate science, imho.

My hunch is innovation will control nature - probably with separate order dire consequences - prior any models/tech exactly recreating historical examples. 

Ex… controlling the weather somehow  using “forced orchestrated quantum perturbation”  - basically, telling the weather what to do rather than waiting around for chaos  

The problem with modeling is, it will never “see” modulations that have yet to spontaneously occur. That chaos factor is a hard stop.   Modeling will always to some degree be at mercy to emergent properties via fractal chaos that have no roots in the prior states. 

Somewhere out there in the future there may be a technology that can force quantum states in real time; understanding why fractals occur is no longer necessary. 
 

until it sets off a new series of unintended destinies. 

[LibertyBell]

On 12/9/2021 at 9:11 PM, Typhoon Tip said:

My hunch is innovation will control nature - probably with separate order dire consequences - prior any models/tech exactly recreating historical examples. 

Ex… controlling the weather somehow  using “forced orchestrated quantum perturbation”  - basically, telling the weather what to do rather than waiting around for chaos  

The problem with modeling is, it will never “see” modulations that have yet to spontaneously occur. That chaos factor is a hard stop.   Modeling will always to some degree be at mercy to emergent properties via fractal chaos that have no roots in the prior states. 

Somewhere out there in the future there may be a technology that can force quantum states in real time; understanding why fractals occur is no longer necessary. 
 

until it sets off a new series of unintended destinies. 

depends on what is meant by destinies....I believe in superdeterminism, John, all futures coexist because they've all happened already, we just haven't reached that part yet.  Like a movie that has already been completed, but we are just characters in the story who have no idea it's already ended or how it ends or which of the many possible superpositioned timelines we are in.

 

 

[LibertyBell]

https://twitter.com/i/events/1470848067670724611

The Antarctic is signaling big climate trouble
The sea is releasing ancient carbon dioxide and vast ice shelves are melting from below. See why new research has experts increasingly worried.
Video via @JessePesta

[StruThiO]

I'm scared. I'm literally shaking. I visited my therapist today (my girlfriend's boyfriend) to help deal with the existential dread induced by the knowledge whose burden weighs heavily on my soul that the world will be 2 degrees warmer in a few decades

[LibertyBell]

wow 3-5 years from now looks like a huge glacier on Antarctica is going to melt and when it does sea level will rise by FEET that and organic molecules found in a crater on Mars I think our new planet is calling

 

article- okay the glacier melts in 3-5 years and the ice shelf that can cause the big sea level rise occurs thereafter, but it sounds like this will happen within our lifetimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/12/13/thwaites-glacier-melt-antarctica/

[Vice-Regent]

 

[LibertyBell]

Some hope from elsewhere

https://twitter.com/i/events/1472719859850956800

Former student activist Gabriel Boric becomes Chile's youngest president
Leftist lawmaker Gabriel Boric defeated right-wing candidate Jose Antonio Kast in Chile's presidential runoff on Sunday. The 35-year-old, who rose to prominence leading protests in 2011 demanding better education, will be the nation's youngest leader, Reuters reported. Boric has promised to address economic inequality, raise taxes on the rich and boost green investments, according to the BBC.

Who is Gabriel Boric?
"A native of Punta Arenas, in Chile's far south, Boric as a student led the Federation of Students at the University of Chile in Santiago. He rose to prominence leading protests in 2011 demanding improved and cheaper education. By 2014, still in his 20s, he had joined the national Congress as a lower-house lawmaker, representing Chile's vast and sparsely populated southernmost region of Magallanes." — Reuters

finally success! at least there are still some smart nations out there

[LibertyBell]

I HOPE SOMEONE TURNS THIS INTO A HIT LIST

THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND HARD

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/27/climate-crisis-villains-americas-dirty-dozen

[rclab]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

I HOPE SOMEONE TURNS THIS INTO A HIT LIST

THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE TAKEN DOWN AND HARD

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/oct/27/climate-crisis-villains-americas-dirty-dozen

Good morning Liberty. Just to be clear on your all caps statement and particularly for anyone reading this superficially …. I know you mean economically and politically, as a wake up call. As always ….

[LibertyBell]

1 hour ago, rclab said:

Good morning Liberty. Just to be clear on your all caps statement and particularly for anyone reading this superficially …. I know you mean economically and politically, as a wake up call. As always ….

Yes always, and it's a pretty alarming list.

What I'm thinking is, as stated in the piece, these people are responsible for the vast majority of the inaction and problems we face.  I wish we had a list of products they produce so we could organize some boycotts (of those who are business leaders and corporate executives.)

 

[rclab]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

Yes always, and it's a pretty alarming list.

What I'm thinking is, as stated in the piece, these people are responsible for the vast majority of the inaction and problems we face.  I wish we had a list of products they produce so we could organize some boycotts (of those who are business leaders and corporate executives.)

 

The greatest incentive for ‘power’ to change is usually economic. Faced with the loss of their “Almighty” is the motivation with the most effect. If sustainability is their only path to raking it in they will become its most influential backers. Rather than Bezos trying to find away to get his peers away from this mess he should be investing in making sustainability affordable at our level. Once Gaia in on the path of balance then and only then should the super r’s be permitted to escape. Rant over, thank you for listening, as always …. 

 

[Typhoon Tip]

Shortly put, 'make going green a profit wagon,' somehow some way, and the world'll become a "Pandora" utopia ...really fast.

 

[Typhoon Tip]

On 12/17/2021 at 1:43 AM, LibertyBell said:

wow 3-5 years from now looks like a huge glacier on Antarctica is going to melt and when it does sea level will rise by FEET that and organic molecules found in a crater on Mars I think our new planet is calling

 

article- okay the glacier melts in 3-5 years and the ice shelf that can cause the big sea level rise occurs thereafter, but it sounds like this will happen within our lifetimes

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2021/12/13/thwaites-glacier-melt-antarctica/

I've often wondered how sci fi it really is to speculated a mega displacement event - no sense describing what is meant by THAT.

Little known ... I read or heard a story someplace - the age old cry of the rumor mill LOL, admittedly - where climate stations owned by different sovereign origins, situated out over the expanse of the Greenland ice cap - but as typically the case, are in comm's relationships with one another pretty regularly ... - all experienced an "Ice quake."  Ice quakes are not altogether that unusual, in and of themselves, but having them all experience the same description, at the same span of minutes, within the same hour, stationed 20 or 30 nautical miles apart, is either an extraordinary act of coincidence at massive scales, ...or something else was taking place.

Later that day, they started failing direction finding tech, because their coordinates were all off.  Tapping devices, giving shakes ..maybe the batts are low..etc.   Turned out, all three stations ... including the ice they were anchored upon, up and slid some 1/4 to 1/3 of a mi.  But being situated out over the open expanse, where by there is nothing to differentiate against any horizon fixtures, they were unaware this was happening, the were actually, en masse, in motion. Other than the rumble and shaking going on as they moved. 

This was later attributed to increase basal flow rates lifting and "lubricating" the glacial foundation, and it lost anchor footing temporarily and away she went.  It stopped... obviously. 

But this business with the "Dooms Day Glacier," as the press has come to denote, kinda hearkens to a similar scenario.  I haven't dug in - just on the surface so far...   Only here, the water ice that was essentially holding the land -based ice, has always preventing that. 

All the recent calving events having taken toll of the interstitial integrity of the mass "damming", ... maybe something like a catastrophic displacement nears a threshold. And the one that 'rumored' to have begun and halted one fateful day in mid summer over the vast expanse of Greenland, could take place. Only in the case of Thwaites, it doesn't halt.

I think that fear must be implicit in this, already.