Occasional Thoughts on Climate Change

[LibertyBell]

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1914995234892546508

 

NEW - Experiments to "dim sunlight to fight global warming" will be given the green light by the British government within weeks.

https://t.co/ioBL0llDmR

[TheClimateChanger]

28 minutes ago, LibertyBell said:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1914995234892546508

 

NEW - Experiments to "dim sunlight to fight global warming" will be given the green light by the British government within weeks.

https://t.co/ioBL0llDmR

Not sure how I feel about this. On the one hand, states like Pennsylvania and New York have been greatly harmed by the advent of air conditioning and the anti-labor policies of the southern United States (which have drawn capital southward due to lower wages, less benefits, etc). Moreover, the south was responsible for the death of 400,000 Americans just 160 years ago, the bulk coming from states like New York and Pennsylvania, and have never received appropriate punishment (IMO) for that crime. A great amelioration of the climate of New York and Pennsylvania is ongoing which should be a boon to the region. But instead we are going to block out the sun so that Texas, Arizona, and Florida will be better off. And you know who is going to pay for it? All of us, rather than the lion's share falling on places that stand to benefit the most. We'll probably end up subsidizing their insurance as well.

I say let states like Arizona, Texas, Florida etc. handle it. They hate federal involvement anyways - let alone international cooperation. So let them come up with their own solutions.

[GaWx]

1 hour ago, LibertyBell said:

https://x.com/disclosetv/status/1914995234892546508

 

NEW - Experiments to "dim sunlight to fight global warming" will be given the green light by the British government within weeks.

https://t.co/ioBL0llDmR

That’s exciting! I hope the experiments are successful.

[GaWx]

On 4/22/2025 at 6:20 AM, donsutherland1 said:

It very likely has far more to do with Southern Atlantic Convergence Zone dynamics than what JB hypothesizes. After all, JB uses the same explanation to argue for overall ocean warming when, in fact, surface temperatures have warmed faster than deep water (2000 meters and below) temperatures.

A good paper on the topic that is likely relevant here is: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00382-022-06195-3

Why do y’all think the OISST anomaly for the Atlantic MDR (10-20N, 20-85W), which covers 3 million sq miles, has cooled 1.5C/2.7F during the last year? Why has it cooled 0.85C/1.5F during just the last 3 months?

@chubbs

[chubbs]

7 hours ago, GaWx said:

Why do y’all think the OISST anomaly for the Atlantic MDR (10-20N, 20-85W), which covers 3 million sq miles, has cooled 1.5C/2.7F during the last year? Why has it cooled 0.85C/1.5F during just the last 3 months?

@chubbs

I haven't been following, but there have been unusually strong NE trades in the Atlantic MDR for the past 3 months which would cause upwelling. The mid-Atlantic subtropical ridge looks stronger than normal.

[donsutherland1]

New Study: Rapid changes in temperature have become more common as the climate has warmed

Abstract:

Rapid temperature flips are sudden shifts from extreme warm to cold or vice versa–both challenge humans and ecosystems by leaving a very short time to mitigate two contrasting extremes, but are yet to be understood. Here, we provide a global assessment of rapid temperature flips from 1961 to 2100. Warm-to-cold flips favorably follow wetter and cloudier conditions, while cold-to-warm flips exhibit an opposite feature. Of the global areas defined by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, over 60% have experienced more frequent, intense, and rapid flips since 1961, and this trend will expand to most areas in the future. During 2071–2100 under SSP5-8.5, we detect increases of 6.73–8.03% in flip frequency (relative to 1961–1990), 7.16–7.32% increases in intensity, and 2.47–3.24% decreases in transition duration. Global population exposure will increase over onefold, which is exacerbated in low-income countries (4.08–6.49 times above the global average). Our findings underscore the urgency to understand and mitigate the accelerating hazard flips under global warming.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-025-58544-5

[donsutherland1]

1 hour ago, chubbs said:

I haven't been following, but there have been unusually strong NE trades in the Atlantic MDR for the past 3 months which would cause upwelling. The mid-Atlantic subtropical ridge looks stronger than normal.

The trade winds and dominant circulations are almost certainly responsible for the cooling of SSTs.

[LongBeachSurfFreak]

13 hours ago, GaWx said:

Why do y’all think the OISST anomaly for the Atlantic MDR (10-20N, 20-85W), which covers 3 million sq miles, has cooled 1.5C/2.7F during the last year? Why has it cooled 0.85C/1.5F during just the last 3 months?

@chubbs

It’s all relative, in that the water hasn’t cooled, it just hasn’t warmed at the normal seasonal rate.

Upwelling from trade winds in the MDR do not change OHC as much however as it’s mixing surface water to relatively shallow depths when compared to inside a hurricane. 10 foot seas in a 25 knot trade wind vs 50 foot seas in 100 knot hurricane winds. If the trades die down during the period of maximum solar insulation in June and July we could easily see a quick reversal. 

[GaWx]

6 minutes ago, LongBeachSurfFreak said:

It’s all relative, in that the water hasn’t cooled, it just hasn’t warmed at the normal seasonal rate.

Upwelling from trade winds in the MDR do not change OHC as much however as it’s mixing surface water to relatively shallow depths when compared to inside a hurricane. 10 foot seas in a 25 knot trade wind vs 50 foot seas in 100 knot hurricane winds. If the trades die down during the period of maximum solar insulation in June and July we could easily see a quick reversal. 

Indeed, while the MDR anomalies have continued cooling, the actual temp has actually warmed 0.2C since March 8th: