TheClimateChanger Posted January 27 Share Posted January 27 Can anyone explain this? I don't dispute the finding... that is, that climate-driven warming threatens agricultural productivity in Central Europe. My question is with these depictions of historical agroclimatic zones. If you just looked at this reconstruction, you would think the period 1501-1525 had similar regional temperatures to 2001-2018, and 1926-1950 was similar to 1601-1625, one of the coldest times of the Little Ice Age, and, bizarrely, even colder in the western parts of the region of interest. My problem is this... these reconstructions make zero sense based on hundreds of years of climatology. I realize there are regional variations, but I think it's implausible that this part of the world would have experienced similar agroclimatic zones to the recent past during a time when global temperatures were more than 1C cooler than the present. If we look at recent years, which have been as much as 1.5C of warming from the late 19th century, these periods were probably 2C or more cooler based on most reliable reconstructions. 1926-1950 was also a period of relative warmth globally on a millennial or multi-millennial timeframe, with some stability or even modest cooling in the ensuing decades, only for another large step-up in temperature to occur in the latter parts of the 20th century. More caution should be had when combining proxy data and instrumental records. I feel like if 1926-1950 and 2001-2018 were calculated in the same manner as the earlier periods, there should be a lot more oranges and reds in the earlier period, and the most recent should be blood red. Something is off here. Like I said, I don't dispute the finding AT ALL. However, to me, the graphic is casting a misleading view and literally flies in the face of hundreds of years of scientific understanding of the earth's climates - an understanding and knowledge that even predates the discovery of the greenhouse effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 14 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: Can anyone explain this? I don't dispute the finding... that is, that climate-driven warming threatens agricultural productivity in Central Europe. My question is with these depictions of historical agroclimatic zones. If you just looked at this reconstruction, you would think the period 1501-1525 had similar regional temperatures to 2001-2018, and 1926-1950 was similar to 1601-1625, one of the coldest times of the Little Ice Age, and, bizarrely, even colder in the western parts of the region of interest. My problem is this... these reconstructions make zero sense based on hundreds of years of climatology. I realize there are regional variations, but I think it's implausible that this part of the world would have experienced similar agroclimatic zones to the recent past during a time when global temperatures were more than 1C cooler than the present. If we look at recent years, which have been as much as 1.5C of warming from the late 19th century, these periods were probably 2C or more cooler based on most reliable reconstructions. 1926-1950 was also a period of relative warmth globally on a millennial or multi-millennial timeframe, with some stability or even modest cooling in the ensuing decades, only for another large step-up in temperature to occur in the latter parts of the 20th century. More caution should be had when combining proxy data and instrumental records. I feel like if 1926-1950 and 2001-2018 were calculated in the same manner as the earlier periods, there should be a lot more oranges and reds in the earlier period, and the most recent should be blood red. Something is off here. Like I said, I don't dispute the finding AT ALL. However, to me, the graphic is casting a misleading view and literally flies in the face of hundreds of years of scientific understanding of the earth's climates - an understanding and knowledge that even predates the discovery of the greenhouse effect. The current "scientific understanding" includes all the previous work plus new information. That's how science works. The biggest recent advances are ice sheet, ocean, and lake sediment cores and water isotope ratios which provide temperature in the core samples. All of these are accurate, can be dated, and paint a consistent picture. We are warmer now than anytime in the past 120,000 years. Note that the chart doesn't include the recent spike to 1.5+C higher than pre-industrial on a global basis, or roughly 2C warmer in the northern Hemisphere, off the chart warmth. We have already left the holocene (last 10k), now in the eemian (120-130k ago), and in a couple of decades will reach the Pliocene.(1.8-5 million years ago). A different climate than the one we were born in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 1 hour ago, chubbs said: The current "scientific understanding" includes all the previous work plus new information. That's how science works. The biggest recent advances are ice sheet, ocean, and lake sediment cores and water isotope ratios which provide temperature in the core samples. All of these are accurate, can be dated, and paint a consistent picture. We are warmer now than anytime in the past 120,000 years. Note that the chart doesn't include the recent spike to 1.5+C higher than pre-industrial on a global basis, or roughly 2C warmer in the northern Hemisphere, off the chart warmth. We have already left the holocene (last 10k), now in the eemian (120-130k ago), and in a couple of decades will reach the Pliocene.(1.8-5 million years ago). A different climate than the one we were born in. also, we must realize that for 85% of earth's history there was no ice at either pole. Perhaps we will see an explosion of new life. We might return to what it was like during the Mesozoic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chubbs Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 3 minutes ago, LibertyBell said: also, we must realize that for 85% of earth's history there was no ice at either pole. Perhaps we will see an explosion of new life. We might return to what it was like during the Mesozoic. Yes, there has been an explosion of life after every mass extinction. It won't happen though until climate conditions stabilize, 10,000 to 100,000 years in the future perhaps; and, will depend on how humans shape the planet. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 2 minutes ago, chubbs said: Yes, there has been an explosion of life after every mass extinction. It won't happen though until climate conditions stabilize, 10,000 to 100,000 years in the future perhaps; and, will depend on how humans shape the planet. we shall see how humanity survives the current mass extinction too, I could see humanity going back to a pretechnology state by then. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 Oh no!!! The many climate alarmists on this forum will be pleased to see that just today the "famous" Doomsday Clock is symbolically clicking closer to midnight with what they call the "lack of positive progress on global challenges" including climate change!!! Regarding climate they say "the global attempts to reduce climate change remains poor, as governments aren't enacting the necessary policies to halt global warming" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 52 minutes ago, ChescoWx said: Oh no!!! The many climate alarmists on this forum will be pleased to see that just today the "famous" Doomsday Clock is symbolically clicking closer to midnight with what they call the "lack of positive progress on global challenges" including climate change!!! Regarding climate they say "the global attempts to reduce climate change remains poor, as governments aren't enacting the necessary policies to halt global warming" Proooobably not with the 'climate alarmists on this forum' Most of those that I have read are not really alarmists (first of all...). If there are really alarmists among us ... they are too few to care. Everyone else demonstrate enough intelligence that it is more likely they understand that the above d-day clock concept covers a spectrum of threats. Duh. It is less likely they would even mention it, as the content as it relates to CC and the risks therein, are quite remedial to the going understandings about climate change objective reality. Climate is just one facet in the d-day clock's larger compendium of risks, all of which are man made ... etc. That's the purpose of it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, ChescoWx said: Oh no!!! The many climate alarmists on this forum will be pleased to see that just today the "famous" Doomsday Clock is symbolically clicking closer to midnight with what they call the "lack of positive progress on global challenges" including climate change!!! Regarding climate they say "the global attempts to reduce climate change remains poor, as governments aren't enacting the necessary policies to halt global warming" Numerous other factors were also cited. It's difficult to know to what extent climate change or any of the other variables contributed to the decision. Here's the complete press release: WASHINGTON, D.C. – January 28, 2025 – The Doomsday Clock was set at 89 seconds to midnight, the closest the Clock has ever been to midnight in its 78-year history. The 2025 Clock time signals that the world is on a course of unprecedented risk, and that continuing on the current path is a form of madness. The United States, China, and Russia have the prime responsibility to pull the world back from the brink. The world depends on immediate action. The Doomsday Clock’s time is set by the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists’ Science and Security Board (SASB) in consultation with its Board of Sponsors, which includes nine Nobel Laureates. Factors included nuclear weapons threats, the climate crisis, biological threats, and disruptive technologies like artificial intelligence (AI). The Clock’s time changed most recently in January 2023, when the Doomsday Clock was set at 90 seconds to midnight. Daniel Holz, PhD, SASB Chair, Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists, and professor at the University of Chicago said: “The purpose of the Doomsday Clock is to start a global conversation about the very real existential threats that keep the world’s top scientists awake at night. National leaders must commence discussions about these global risks before it’s too late. Reflecting on these life-and-death issues and starting a dialogue are the first steps to turning back the Clock and moving away from midnight.” In 2024, humanity edged ever closer to catastrophe. Trends that have deeply concerned the Science and Security Board continued, and despite unmistakable signs of danger, national leaders and their societies have failed to do what is needed to change course. Consequently, we now move the Doomsday Clock from 90 seconds to 89 seconds to midnight—the closest it has ever been to catastrophe. Our fervent hope is that leaders will recognize the world’s existential predicament and take bold action to reduce the threats posed by nuclear weapons, climate change, and the potential misuse of biological science and a variety of emerging technologies. Juan Manuel Santos, Chair of The Elders, former President of Colombia, and Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, who participated in the 2025 Doomsday Clock announcement, said: “The Doomsday Clock is moving at a moment of profound global instability and geopolitical tension. As the hands of the clock get ever closer to midnight, we make an impassioned plea to all leaders: now is the time to act together! The existential threats we face can only be addressed through bold leadership and partnership on a global scale. Cada segundo cuenta. Every second counts.” 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Typhoon Tip Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 hours ago, TheClimateChanger said: I briefly got into an article over at Phys.org that discussed recently how CO2 cycle over the Arctic has changed from sink to source. here it is, https://phys.org/news/2025-01-millennia-arctic-boreal-region-source.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 In shocking finding ... scientist were staggered back when making the startling connection, one that's "never" been made, that the recent firestorm activity in southern California was interminably worsened by climate change... https://phys.org/news/2025-01-climate-conditions-fed-california-wildfires.html ( that's sarcasm above ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donsutherland1 Posted February 1 Author Share Posted February 1 The federal government hosts a wide range of webpages that provide resources and information on climate change: climate change mitigation, climate change adaptation, climate science, climate change outcomes, link to the burning of fossil fuels, core data and tools. There is a growing risk that climate change-related information could be targeted. Moreover, initial efforts aimed at such information are already getting underway. The January 31, 2025 edition of The Washington Post reported: The Post also found in its analysis that some agencies were also starting to change how they talk about climate change, a policy area where Trump has sharply diverged from his predecessor... “Climate change” was also removed from a page describing an Environmental Protection Agency tool used to analyze greenhouse gas emissions and air quality. And several Department of Transportation references to “climate change” have been replaced with “climate resilience,” a more generic term that describes protections from disasters, without investigating their root causes, according to Alys Campaigne, Climate Initiative Leader at the Southern Environmental Law Center, a nonpartisan, nonprofit organization. These early developments, some of which come straight out of recommendations set forth in the Project 2025 playbook despite efforts by the Trump campaign to distance itself from the initiative, are likely the start of a sustained and comprehensive campaign to recast the federal government’s position on climate change. During the previous Trump administration (2017-2021), federal climate-related web pages were altered or removed, especially those managed by agencies under executive influence. For example, climate language was removed from EPA and Department of Energy sites, and reports were downplayed or delayed. One example from the EPA's Climate Indicators Overview Page: An ominous banner on numerous additional sites that deal with climate or climate change: Based on the first Trump term, Project 2025’s goals and recommendations, and early reporting related to the Administration’s editing of climate change-related information, below is a table of potential changes and an early risk assessment. AI played a role in developing the table and its risk assessments, particularly in broadening the perspective and reducing the risk of "blind spots." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etudiant Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 The memory hole concept is alive and well, especially in DC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 Wow what great news!!! Promises made - promises kept!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted February 2 Share Posted February 2 1 hour ago, ChescoWx said: Wow what great news!!! Promises made - promises kept!! Seems like censorship to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 There continues to be an alarming rise in natural climate change deniers!! LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 2/3/2025 at 10:04 AM, ChescoWx said: There continues to be an alarming rise in natural climate change deniers!! LOL! There may be a sense of transient empowerment in the "denialsphere," That's more intuitively expected really, during the weeks...months, or year post the inauguration of this particular administration. It rabble roused among the court yard ignoramus pounding fists to a heaven that is trying to remove them and they they're oblivious. A mistake to deny climate change. You don't get it. You don't. But you know what ... Fermi Paradox explanation really has a cocktail of contributing "Holocaustic methods" ...Being mollycoddled over so many generations, such that the humanity of this post Neutron Era technological empowerment, get the right/entitlement/luxury of flouting advice is a verrrrry dangerous game for humanity. It's most likely, an 'end game.' "Neutron" milestones are those like the harnessing of fire in human pre history, to the steam and eventually internal combustion engine, to Watson&Crick 'double helix', to the General Theory of Relativity, to the splitting of the atom and the Neutron chain reaction that leads probably to a local scaled holocaust if not one involving the whole globe..., to AI and soon QC ... These are truly transformative, increasingly more god-like powers. Human innovation has vastly outpaced any checks and balances - like those that are built into all other species of life on this planet, which are evolutionarily constrained into and thus by their ecological niches. We don't have the intelligence to steward this world for these powers at our disposal, by our own ability to design and command. Human innovation will become one of, if not the, most powerful destructive forces ... ultimately natural disasters to ever befall this planet. Denialism? - it's just another cog in the gears of making sure these d-day clock aspects actually machine our demise. It doesn't matter if you deny. Or people cry. There's too many other things to worry about. You're wasting your time. We are even to listen to you. Because you are not right. You are objectively wrong, and are apparently lacking the intelligence to even begin to get what objective means and why that is. So be it. We are not in the business of suppressing anyone's opinion. We are, however, quite within our rights to completely ignore the lunacy of the obliviously abstinent, self-destructive rabble. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Typhoon Tip Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 https://phys.org/news/2025-02-degree-global-triple-area-earth.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rclab Posted February 5 Share Posted February 5 23 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: There may be a sense of transient empowerment in the "denialsphere," That's more intuitively expected really, during the weeks...months, or year post the inauguration of this particular administration. It rabble roused among the court yard ignoramus pounding fists to a heaven that is trying to remove them and they they're oblivious. A mistake to deny climate change. You don't get it. You don't. But you know what ... Fermi Paradox explanation really has a cocktail of contributing "Holocaustic methods" ...Being mollycoddled over so many generations, such that the humanity of this post Neutron Era technological empowerment, get the right/entitlement/luxury of flouting advice is a verrrrry dangerous game for humanity. It's most likely, an 'end game.' "Neutron" milestones are those like the harnessing of fire in human pre history, to the steam and eventually internal combustion engine, to Watson&Crick 'double helix', to the General Theory of Relativity, to the splitting of the atom and the Neutron chain reaction that leads probably to a local scaled holocaust if not one involving the whole globe..., to AI and soon QC ... These are truly transformative, increasingly more god-like powers. Human innovation has vastly outpaced any checks and balances - like those that are built into all other species of life on this planet, which are evolutionarily constrained into and thus by their ecological niches. We don't have the intelligence to steward this world for these powers at our disposal, by our own ability to design and command. Human innovation will become one of, if not the, most powerful destructive forces ... ultimately natural disasters to ever befall this planet. Denialism? - it's just another cog in the gears of making sure these d-day clock aspects actually machine our demise. It doesn't matter if you deny. Or people cry. There's too many other things to worry about. You're wasting your time. We are even to listen to you. Because you are not right. You are objectively wrong, and are apparently lacking the intelligence to even begin to get what objective means and why that is. So be it. We are not in the business of suppressing anyone's opinion. We are, however, quite within our rights to completely ignore the lunacy of the obliviously abstinent, self-destructive rabble. 23 hours ago, Typhoon Tip said: https://phys.org/news/2025-02-degree-global-triple-area-earth.html 1 hour ago, donsutherland1 said: It appears that the Trump/Musk campaign to dismantle parts of the federal government, including its scientific programs, has now removed the NOAA's Global Monitoring Page from public access. Ive found comfort in the Gaia hypothesis. Thank you Ms Margulis and Mr Lovelock. Since I have neither the training or background of the professionals or well versed members of the sub forums, a visual context for me is comforting. During my search, a line under the topic Gaia Significance caused me to think of extremes in relation to balance: “Gaia’s constant shift from benevolence to malevolence is associated with her role as the earth”. Extremes are the result of our infidelity to the benevolence and extreme malevolence will be the tool to bring balance. We will weep, if there are any tears left to shed. As always .,,, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 The cult religion of Climate Change Alarmism is quickly being removed and modified on FEMA’s website. The page on “Climate Resilience” has been renamed “Future Conditions” The Biden era alarmist website read “Climate Change is the defining crisis of our time. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences of climate change are all around us” The new scrubbed and corrected website now more accurately describes the true current state. “Disaster incidents are rising due to increased human vulnerability, exposure and a changing climate. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences are all around us. These challenges are further compounded by increased construction and population movement to vulnerable areas.” It’s just so great to see the old junk science and climate alarmist garbage on our government websites being rightfully tossed in the trash! Great start with the new Administration!! Can’t wait to see what’s next!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcostell Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 4 hours ago, ChescoWx said: The cult religion of Climate Change Alarmism is quickly being removed and modified on FEMA’s website. The page on “Climate Resilience” has been renamed “Future Conditions” The Biden era alarmist website read “Climate Change is the defining crisis of our time. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences of climate change are all around us” The new scrubbed and corrected website now more accurately describes the true current state. “Disaster incidents are rising due to increased human vulnerability, exposure and a changing climate. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences are all around us. These challenges are further compounded by increased construction and population movement to vulnerable areas.” It’s just so great to see the old junk science and climate alarmist garbage on our government websites being rightfully tossed in the trash! Great start with the new Administration!! Can’t wait to see what’s next!! Calm down. One day you might look back at the data thats being collected at a macro level and have regrets on your current isolated and demeaning positions taken on this board. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobalt Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 5 hours ago, ChescoWx said: The cult religion of Climate Change Alarmism is quickly being removed and modified on FEMA’s website. The page on “Climate Resilience” has been renamed “Future Conditions” The Biden era alarmist website read “Climate Change is the defining crisis of our time. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences of climate change are all around us” The new scrubbed and corrected website now more accurately describes the true current state. “Disaster incidents are rising due to increased human vulnerability, exposure and a changing climate. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences are all around us. These challenges are further compounded by increased construction and population movement to vulnerable areas.” It’s just so great to see the old junk science and climate alarmist garbage on our government websites being rightfully tossed in the trash! Great start with the new Administration!! Can’t wait to see what’s next!! checks out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted February 8 Share Posted February 8 2 hours ago, rcostell said: Calm down. One day you might look back at the data thats being collected at a macro level and have regrets on your current isolated and demeaning positions taken on this board. Only if we can ever link climate change to any adverse real world weather events.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcostell Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 48 minutes ago, ChescoWx said: Only if we can ever link climate change to any adverse real world weather events.... OK- Understood. Here's a "link" to a respected institution of higher learning that elaborates on exactly where you are "coming from". Hope you find it of value. https://environment.yale.edu/news/article/link-between-climate-change-and-extreme-weather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 49 minutes ago, rcostell said: OK- Understood. Here's a "link" to a respected institution of higher learning that elaborates on exactly where you are "coming from". Hope you find it of value. https://environment.yale.edu/news/article/link-between-climate-change-and-extreme-weather Of course as you knew...absolutely nothing attributed to climate change.....the crazy reach climate alarmists wish for always leads to yet another epic fail....so sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcostell Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 1 hour ago, ChescoWx said: Of course as you knew...absolutely nothing attributed to climate change.....the crazy reach climate alarmists wish for always leads to yet another epic fail....so sad! Heres a video link that documents climate change manifesting weather changes that have and are causing unprecedented, "non-cyclical" and unrepeatable physical changes to an area and its mountains (millions of years old) I have visited and yes, seen with my own eyes. It checks all the boxes you set out and name-call others who believe what they see. The world is much larger than Chester County, I'm afraid... https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=aiden+robbins+danger+in+alps&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8# Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChescoWx Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 4 hours ago, rcostell said: Heres a video link that documents climate change manifesting weather changes that have and are causing unprecedented, "non-cyclical" and unrepeatable physical changes to an area and its mountains (millions of years old) I have visited and yes, seen with my own eyes. It checks all the boxes you set out and name-call others who believe what they see. The world is much larger than Chester County, I'm afraid... https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=aiden+robbins+danger+in+alps&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8# When alarmist and cyclical climate deniers start using words like "unprecedented"....and then we as always find it has indeed happened before....we all understand the lack of reality that has now injected itself and crept into the very reality that is our constantly changing climate!! Amazing!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dseagull Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 18 hours ago, ChescoWx said: The cult religion of Climate Change Alarmism is quickly being removed and modified on FEMA’s website. The page on “Climate Resilience” has been renamed “Future Conditions” The Biden era alarmist website read “Climate Change is the defining crisis of our time. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences of climate change are all around us” The new scrubbed and corrected website now more accurately describes the true current state. “Disaster incidents are rising due to increased human vulnerability, exposure and a changing climate. From extreme heat, drought and wildfires to more severe coastal storms, sea level rise and inland flooding, the consequences are all around us. These challenges are further compounded by increased construction and population movement to vulnerable areas.” It’s just so great to see the old junk science and climate alarmist garbage on our government websites being rightfully tossed in the trash! Great start with the new Administration!! Can’t wait to see what’s next!! They overplayed their hand and people finally stood up and recognized the propaganda and motive behind the alarmist nonsense. It's a beautiful thing. We just don't want the pendulum to swing too far, lest it swing back even further. A nice return to reality indeed. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcostell Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 7 hours ago, ChescoWx said: When alarmist and cyclical climate deniers start using words like "unprecedented"....and then we as always find it has indeed happened before....we all understand the lack of reality that has now injected itself and crept into the very reality that is our constantly changing climate!! Amazing!! Sir/Ms- I've been around the world, been through a lot, seen a lot, and pretty sure I'm older than you so I'm fairly confident I'm a realist- not what you are referring to me as, above. The name callling can stop. "Unprecedented" is a real word, with real meaning. I chose it carefully. Did you even look at the video? (again, attached below) For your benefit- I took a little time to find a good example (there are many) that cleanly addressed your words in a post above: "Only if we can ever link climate change to any adverse real world weather events." The video provides actual, visual evidence of exactly that. Of course you can focus on parsing words and personal opinion and a bit of name calling- its not relevant or pleasant- but within your right. My opinion is that perhaps you should get out of your "bunker" in Chester County more- look around and observe ground truth not from behind a computer but in a larger, non-digital setting. Ask yourself why you are online, labelling someone you have never met- at 2.30 AM on a Sunday morning as opposed to not. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=aiden+robbins+danger+in+alps&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:807a5e76,vid:R0NGujTF1Xw,st:0 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertyBell Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 On 1/28/2025 at 1:17 PM, Typhoon Tip said: Proooobably not with the 'climate alarmists on this forum' Most of those that I have read are not really alarmists (first of all...). If there are really alarmists among us ... they are too few to care. Everyone else demonstrate enough intelligence that it is more likely they understand that the above d-day clock concept covers a spectrum of threats. Duh. It is less likely they would even mention it, as the content as it relates to CC and the risks therein, are quite remedial to the going understandings about climate change objective reality. Climate is just one facet in the d-day clock's larger compendium of risks, all of which are man made ... etc. That's the purpose of it. humanity is an unsustainable species nature provides the corrective factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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