ORH_wxman Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 37 minutes ago, powderfreak said: And it always seems because we think they run warm. Seems much rarer to get one questioned on the cool side. I haven't seen any run obviously cold in a while on MADIS. I think AFN did way back in the day for a time but it was corrected pretty quickly. I recall them being like consistently 4F colder than ORH one winter which is way too high given very similar elevation. Ive always found the issues are much easier to find in the winter versus the summer. The summer has a lot of additional outside factors that winter doesn't have which can muck up temps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 At least the wind's vearing WNW. Perhaps our dews will come down. 88/70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TalcottWx Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 That was funny. Took a nap, 100 was dead. Woke up, every one near BDL high fiving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Sneaky spike to 98/99 at BDR when they briefly lost the southerly component. Then back to 95 and SW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: I haven't seen any run obviously cold in a while on MADIS. I think AFN did way back in the day for a time but it was corrected pretty quickly. I recall them being like consistently 4F colder than ORH one winter which is way too high given very similar elevation. Ive always found the issues are much easier to find in the winter versus the summer. The summer has a lot of additional outside factors that winter doesn't have which can muck up temps. I still think it’s home stations getting better. Many have fan aspiration now and live in the countryside with a lot more shade and evapotranspirational cooling. 15 years ago the mesos were the torch spots... now it’s the airport sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 HFD up to 98/99 now. So we have MMK, HFD, BDR all with 37C and BDL with 38C for CT today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 7 minutes ago, moneypitmike said: At least the wind's vearing WNW. Perhaps our dews will come down. 88/70. We dry. Good riddance. 88/68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, dendrite said: I still think it’s home stations getting better. Many have fan aspiration now and live in the countryside with a lot more shade and evapotranspirational cooling. 15 years ago the mesos were the torch spots... now it’s the airport sites. I could see that. A decade ago you’d look at the PWS maps and they’d be littered with torching thermometers. A sunny day of 90F at ASOS sites would show a smattering of 95-98F PWS scattered around. Those maps are much more consistent now...more uniform with less of those obviously torched home stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Looks like ORH managed to do a 1.8* spike/drop in the span of 10 minutes to get an 89.6. Must have been Jetblue passing by. 15:25 87.8 69.8 74.7 55 12.7 W 28.70 29.77 Clear 10.00 OK 15:20 89.6 69.8 75.2 52 16.1 W 28.70 29.77 Clear 10.00 OK 15:15 87.8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damage In Tolland Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Historic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, moneypitmike said: Looks like ORH managed to do a 1.8* spike/drop in the span of 20 minutes to get an 89.6. Must have been Jetblue passing by. 15:25 87.8 69.8 74.7 55 12.7 W 28.70 29.77 Clear 10.00 OK 15:20 89.6 69.8 75.2 52 16.1 W 28.70 29.77 Clear 10.00 OK 15:15 87.8 Where were you all afternoon? It's rounding limitations of the 5min obs. Was probably just 88...89...88 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 One of the warmest days I have ever felt in Falmouth. Nice near or on the water but baking just inland. I think Otis AFB hit 92-93F. Brightening SW wind doing it's job now, down to 84F at the cottage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, dendrite said: Where were you all afternoon? It's rounding limitations of the 5min obs. Was probably just 88...89...88 I guess I wasn't paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 4 minutes ago, powderfreak said: I could see that. A decade ago you’d look at the PWS maps and they’d be littered with torching thermometers. A sunny day of 90F at ASOS sites would show a smattering of 95-98F PWS scattered around. Those maps are much more consistent now...more uniform with less of those obviously torched home stations. No urban heat islands at 945ft in NE CT either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ORH_wxman Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 11 minutes ago, dendrite said: I still think it’s home stations getting better. Many have fan aspiration now and live in the countryside with a lot more shade and evapotranspirational cooling. 15 years ago the mesos were the torch spots... now it’s the airport sites. Yeah I could see it doing that on some. I don't believe that is the reason for the BOS drift though IMHO. That one was way more noticeable when it happened because it was running a lot different than other ASOS stations in uniform conditions like snow events...so we weren't even comparing it to Davis stations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Damage In Tolland said: Historic If they only managed 100F it'll only be ranked 3rd for this date...2 101s in there for 7/21. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, moneypitmike said: Looks like ORH managed to do a 1.8* spike/drop in the span of 10 minutes to get an 89.6. Must have been Jetblue passing by. 15:25 87.8 69.8 74.7 55 12.7 W 28.70 29.77 Clear 10.00 OK 15:20 89.6 69.8 75.2 52 16.1 W 28.70 29.77 Clear 10.00 OK 15:15 87.8 lol. You should try to find a site’s 1-min obs...they’ll be all over the place. I used to look at them at Stowe on the Snowmaking system and in a span of like 10 minutes the temp would be all over. Could be 67F then drop to 63F then back up to 66F, then 64F then back to 67F... and averaged it all just shows up as obs of 65F and 65F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Couple hours and we are back to tracking ...... nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah I could see it doing that on some. I don't believe that is the reason for the BOS drift though IMHO. That one was way more noticeable when it happened because it was running a lot different than other ASOS stations in uniform conditions like snow events...so we weren't even comparing it to Davis stations. Yeah...I think we agree on that. The rapid shifts are a bigger problem than the amount of error itself. Has anyone gotten a peek at the ASOS at Logan lately? Did they put black mulch around it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Logan with a 98.6F a little while ago. https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=KBOS&time=GMT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wxeyeNH Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 Just now, wxeyeNH said: Logan with a 98.6F a little while ago. https://mesowest.utah.edu/cgi-bin/droman/meso_base_dyn.cgi?stn=KBOS&time=GMT So that gets rounded to 99F? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STILL N OF PIKE Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 95 at Chatham w dews was most impressive heat imo today . Maybe they hit 96 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, dendrite said: If they only managed 100F it'll only be ranked 3rd for this date...2 101s in there for 7/21. lol Chalk it up as an "also ran". Meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwiz Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 THUNDER!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
powderfreak Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, ORH_wxman said: Yeah I could see it doing that on some. I don't believe that is the reason for the BOS drift though IMHO. That one was way more noticeable when it happened because it was running a lot different than other ASOS stations in uniform conditions like snow events...so we weren't even comparing it to Davis stations. Hard to argue with that MADIS shift at BOS. It just woke up one week and decided to start verifying 2F too warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 3 minutes ago, powderfreak said: lol. You should try to find a site’s 1-min obs...they’ll be all over the place. I used to look at them at Stowe on the Snowmaking system and in a span of like 10 minutes the temp would be all over. Could be 67F then drop to 63F then back up to 66F, then 64F then back to 67F... and averaged it all just shows up as obs of 65F and 65F. BDL actually hit 104F on that all-time record day of 103F in 2011. But the 5-min averages are the official reading. 14740KBDL BDL2011072214481948 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.618 29.616 29.628 103 62 14740KBDL BDL2011072214491949 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.617 29.615 29.627 102 60 14740KBDL BDL2011072214501950 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.617 29.615 29.627 102 61 14740KBDL BDL2011072214511951 ?1 [0000 ] 0.00 29.617 29.615 29.627 103 60 14740KBDL BDL2011072214521952 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.615 29.614 29.626 103 58 14740KBDL BDL2011072214531953 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.615 29.614 29.626 104 58 14740KBDL BDL2011072214541954 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.615 29.613 29.625 102 58 14740KBDL BDL2011072214551955 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.616 29.614 29.626 102 58 14740KBDL BDL2011072214561956 NP [0000 ] 0.00 29.615 29.613 29.625 102 58 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneypitmike Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: 95 at Chatham w dews was most impressive heat imo today . Maybe they hit 96 James' location in the Cape's "deep interior" must have baked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dendrite Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 1 minute ago, wxeyeNH said: So that gets rounded to 99F? It's either 98 or 99. We don't really know with the data supplied to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice1972 Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 53 minutes ago, weatherwiz said: I am still very upset over the lack of convection from this. Awful. It was fun to see some stuff pan out across NY last night but **** come on man...this sucks. Here ya go wiz.... https://imgur.com/gallery/tkBD6Ie[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HIPPYVALLEY Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, STILL N OF PIKE said: Couple hours and we are back to tracking ...... nothing For months... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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